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Denmark3552 Posts
I think this is a pretty basic Marine in the colour White.
![[image loading]](http://www.cardkingdom.com/media/images/products/standard/49025_1.jpg)
I'd argue Terran is Green in addition to Red and White because:
Green is the colour of regeneration (Medic/Medivac, Combat Healing.)
Stim Pack could be multiple cards, some would say Blood Lust, which is Red, but it could also be Giant Growth/Berserk.
Either way it's buffing creatures, which is most common to Green.
Mule could be Dark Ritual, but Mana Ramp in general lies with Green. Red could also posses this ability in the likes of Orc Lumberjack, sacrificing your Lands for a short term mana boost, as we all know, Mules mine out your mineral line really fast!
Concussive Shell, in magic terms would be: Any creature damaged by Marauder, is tapped and does not untap during controllers next untap step. This is an ability that both Green and Blue posses, but the Marauder is very much a big fatty creature and not at all a fragile Blue one.
Where you'd really want to point at other colours is perhaps the Ghost and the Raven, but even then, Auto Turret is a token creature Green/White, since it's defensive. PDD is protective, very much White, could be a Counterspell. Seeker Missile is explosion=Red, even if it is on a timer. EMP doesn't have to be Ghost, but could be a card in itself. Also it doesn't have to be a counterspell, could be disenchant, removal of the unnatural. And for cloakies, White do have Shadow.
You could confine it to 3 colours, though it's probably not ideal to limit cool card flavours because of it.
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Duncan, can I post some cards I created so we can compare notes? I stole from you and Urth shamelessly in some areas, but went my own way in others.
If you'd rather I didn't in your thread, let me know!
On December 15 2013 20:10 Urth wrote:
Structures
Eh, I get what you are trying to do mechanically here, but the whole thing is really poorly implemented. It doesn't serve a strong purpose mechanics-wise or flavor-wise. Additionally, it's a rules nightmare to implement a new card type that isn't a creature, but can block, and can be attacked. I can't imagine WotC getting behind something like that. Planeswalkers were an exception, you don't just make new card types for such a weak concept (no offense). I don't understand why you can block with buildings either btw.
I just made structures into Enchant Lands, ie.
Refinery (3) - Enchant land
Enchanted land is a 0/3 terran creature with defender. It’s still a land.
Whenever this land is assigned as a blocker, you may draw a card.
To get around the fact that they can't be targeted, each race should have ample destroy enchants or destroy critters. Problem solved, I think!
I ended up doing WRB for Terran. Nuke is a board wipe, Snipe is an instant destroy and the Science Vessel has a BBB spell that allows it to take -X/-X off swarms of creatures. All quite black.
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On December 16 2013 15:53 Big J wrote:
Isn't your shield the exact same as normal hitpoints apart from it regenerating slower, so basically the exact opposite of what Protoss shields do?
Edit: So I'd change the "at the beginning of your upkeep" to "at the beginning of each combat and end step". That way shields regenerate faster (because twice per turn, compared to the once of HP).
I've updated the shield ability so that shield counters regenerate at the beginning of each combat step. I'm not sure if this the correct way to go about it, but the idea is that you must destroy a Protoss unit's shields all at once, otherwise they regenerate.
So, for example, if a player used an ability to deal 1 damage to a creature with shield 1 during the main phase, the shield counters would regenerate at the beginning of combat step.
Likewise, if a creature with first strike dealt 1 damage to a creature with shield 1 during the first strike combat damage step, the shield counters would regenerate before the normal combat damage step.
On December 16 2013 17:25 ejozl wrote:I think this is a pretty basic Marine in the colour White. + Show Spoiler +
True, but this and every other white creature with reach date back to the late 90s or early 2000s. Oh well, at least there's a precedent.
On December 16 2013 17:25 ejozl wrote:I'd argue Terran is Green in addition to Red and White because:
Green is the colour of regeneration (Medic/Medivac, Combat Healing.)
Stim Pack could be multiple cards, some would say Blood Lust, which is Red, but it could also be Giant Growth/Berserk.
Either way it's buffing creatures, which is most common to Green.
Mule could be Dark Ritual, but Mana Ramp in general lies with Green. Red could also posses this ability in the likes of Orc Lumberjack, sacrificing your Lands for a short term mana boost, as we all know, Mules mine out your mineral line really fast!
Concussive Shell, in magic terms would be: Any creature damaged by Marauder, is tapped and does not untap during controllers next untap step. This is an ability that both Green and Blue posses, but the Marauder is very much a big fatty creature and not at all a fragile Blue one.
Where you'd really want to point at other colours is perhaps the Ghost and the Raven, but even then, Auto Turret is a token creature Green/White, since it's defensive. PDD is protective, very much White, could be a Counterspell. Seeker Missile is explosion=Red, even if it is on a timer. EMP doesn't have to be Ghost, but could be a card in itself. Also it doesn't have to be a counterspell, could be disenchant, removal of the unnatural. And for cloakies, White do have Shadow.
You could confine it to 3 colours, though it's probably not ideal to limit cool card flavours because of it.
I think your assessment of the colors is generally accurate, but I think that no matter what color is assigned to a race, there's going to be problems.
I like your idea for the MULE. Perhaps I will change Command Center's ability to what is now Scanner Sweep and give MULE its own card.
I appreciate the suggestion, and it's a good concept, but I'm more fond of returning cards to the owner's hand and having them pay to play it again, as there are numerous mechanics that are triggered by creatures entering the battlefield. I also like to avoid exiling if possible, but that's just personal preference.
On December 16 2013 22:29 pure.Wasted wrote:
Duncan, can I post some cards I created so we can compare notes? I stole from you and Urth shamelessly in some areas, but went my own way in others.
If you'd rather I didn't in your thread, let me know!
Honestly, I'd like to avoid having this thread become an opportunity for everyone to share their cards. I think that if you have a set worth sharing, perhaps simply provide a link to the .zip file. On the other hand, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so maybe it would be better if you shared a few of your cards (with spoiler tags) and explained their ideas.
Sorry if I offended you, but I don't want this thread to become a dumping ground for poorly-made cards or work that has already been circulated on the web.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2013 20:10 Urth wrote:
Structures
Eh, I get what you are trying to do mechanically here, but the whole thing is really poorly implemented. It doesn't serve a strong purpose mechanics-wise or flavor-wise. Additionally, it's a rules nightmare to implement a new card type that isn't a creature, but can block, and can be attacked. I can't imagine WotC getting behind something like that. Planeswalkers were an exception, you don't just make new card types for such a weak concept (no offense). I don't understand why you can block with buildings either btw.
On December 16 2013 22:29 pure.Wasted wrote:
I just made structures into Enchant Lands, ie.
Refinery (3) - Enchant land
Enchanted land is a 0/3 terran creature with defender. It’s still a land.
Whenever this land is assigned as a blocker, you may draw a card.
To get around the fact that they can't be targeted, each race should have ample destroy enchants or destroy critters. Problem solved, I think!
I really like this idea, but unfortunately it doesn't solve the issue of how to allow units to destroy structures, as they do in Starcraft. However, I think I'll assess my Refinery, Assimilator and Extractor to incorporate your idea of enchanting lands, if that's alright.
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On December 17 2013 10:13 Duncan wrote:Honestly, I'd like to avoid having this thread become an opportunity for everyone to share their cards. I think that if you have a set worth sharing, perhaps simply provide a link to the .zip file. On the other hand, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so maybe it would be better if you shared a few of your cards (with spoiler tags) and explained their ideas.
Sorry if I offended you, but I don't want this thread to become a dumping ground for poorly-made cards or work that has already been circulated on the web.
I can respect that. Here's the zip: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/479468/SCMTG-set-zip.html
There are 68 cards in the set. Almost 1/2 of them are Terran, and about 3/4 of the rest are Zerg. Like you guys talked about, I split the races up into three colors: WRB for Terran, RBG for Zerg, UWG for Protoss. Terran can be monocolored as white or red, but there aren't enough black creatures yet to support monoblack Terran. Zerg has the basic tools to be monocolored as any of its three colors. Following Urth's advice, I made a conscious effort to stay within the bounds of what the colors would allow. So the white Battlecruiser doesn't destroy or deal damage, it exiles. That sort of stuff.
I took your concepts of Cloak/Burrow/Detection and Shield. I also took Evolution for Zerg, which was invented by someone I don't know for SC MTG cards I came across randomly while pic hunting. Several cards are based closely on yours (Broodlord, Immortal). Stole Horace Warfield's +1/+1 and Persist from another card I randomly came across. Stalker's ability is based on a suggestion earlier in this thread... and I think that takes care of most of my plagiarizing.
Here are some cards I was particularly happy with:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/it9847929/Marine.jpg) Gave Marines, Marauders, and Firebats the same Stimpack ability. ![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/s4va15llt/Mutalisk.jpg) Created the Ambush keyword. ![[image loading]](http://s13.postimg.org/a2z8iw7tj/Baneling.jpg) You can either play a Baneling from your hand on your turn, or, in a vague approximation of Baneling land-mines, you can morph one in using Evolution, give it Haste, and tap it to kill a bunch of attacking Marines who thought they were safe. ![[image loading]](http://s23.postimg.org/45f8ew62j/Lurker.jpg) Gave Roaches, Lurkers, and Widow Mines burrow. Lurkers and WM have to have paid their Burrow cost this turn to attack or block. ![[image loading]](http://s27.postimg.org/rgcyh61jn/Endless_Eggression.jpg) My version of Overrun, this is meant to work along with Burrow. Burrow usually requires tapping, making it a good way of getting a blocking creature out alive if it was going to die. With this, Burrow becomes an offensive tool because you can suddenly tap all of your Burrowing critters to make them indestructible, then untap them and attack with them. It's an approximation of Roach burrow micro. ![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/3ykmq0zhd/Minefield.jpg) Spider Mines as an instant. Just realized that the wording at the bottom is ambiguous, it's meant to be "R: +1 token, once per Vulture you control." ![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/bjnnlhuht/Science_Vessel.jpg) Science Vessel as a neat W/B card that works in both a mono-white and a mono-black Terran deck. The Raven is a white detector and the Orbital Command is a red detector, so each color has a mode of detection. ![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/xubilgrs1/Overlord.jpg) Ovie. ![[image loading]](http://s8.postimg.org/rnsita1z9/Arcturus_Mengsk_Emperor.jpg) I think I nailed Arcturus's flavor down pretty well with this. And just for fun: ![[image loading]](http://s23.postimg.org/tkhw60sl7/Field_Orders.jpg) Aka marine splitting! ![[image loading]](http://s16.postimg.org/mv5pghk45/Excellent_Timing.jpg) Aka timing attack! I also tried to work more standard MTG abilities into the set where possible/appropriate: ie the Medivac can give bio creatures lifelink, the High Templar has scry.
I really like this idea, but unfortunately it doesn't solve the issue of how to allow units to destroy structures, as they do in Starcraft. However, I think I'll assess my Refinery, Assimilator and Extractor to incorporate your idea of enchanting lands, if that's alright.
Considering I was totally inspired by you and Urth, yeeah, you're more than welcome to take anything you like. 
I still think there are tons of ways of achieving what you're trying to do using this method that are more neat. Give target creature -2/-2, destroy target creature, destroy target creature with defender, fight target creature with defender, destroy target enchantment, destroy target land. So units can totally destroy structures, the only thing that's missing is other units being able to save structures, but that's fixable too with more complex instructions, "...unless opponent pays 3" or "...unless opponent sacrifices a creature with converted mana cost equal or higher to target enchantment."
Feedback very welcome!!
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On December 17 2013 11:16 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 10:13 Duncan wrote:Honestly, I'd like to avoid having this thread become an opportunity for everyone to share their cards. I think that if you have a set worth sharing, perhaps simply provide a link to the .zip file. On the other hand, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so maybe it would be better if you shared a few of your cards (with spoiler tags) and explained their ideas.
Sorry if I offended you, but I don't want this thread to become a dumping ground for poorly-made cards or work that has already been circulated on the web. I can respect that. Here's the zip: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/479468/SCMTG-set-zip.htmlThere are 68 cards in the set. Almost 1/2 of them are Terran, and about 3/4 of the rest are Zerg. Like you guys talked about, I split the races up into three colors: WRB for Terran, RBG for Zerg, UWG for Protoss. Terran can be monocolored as white or red, but there aren't enough black creatures yet to support monoblack Terran. Zerg has the basic tools to be monocolored as any of its three colors. Following Urth's advice, I made a conscious effort to stay within the bounds of what the colors would allow. So the white Battlecruiser doesn't destroy or deal damage, it exiles. That sort of stuff. I took your concepts of Cloak/Burrow/Detection and Shield. I also took Evolution for Zerg, which was invented by someone I don't know for SC MTG cards I came across randomly while pic hunting. Several cards are based closely on yours (Broodlord, Immortal). Stole Horace Warfield's +1/+1 and Persist from another card I randomly came across. Stalker's ability is based on a suggestion earlier in this thread... and I think that takes care of most of my plagiarizing. Here are some cards I was particularly happy with: + Show Spoiler +Gave Marines, Marauders, and Firebats the same Stimpack ability. Created the Ambush keyword. You can either play a Baneling from your hand on your turn, or, in a vague approximation of Baneling land-mines, you can morph one in using Evolution, give it Haste, and tap it to kill a bunch of attacking Marines who thought they were safe. Gave Roaches, Lurkers, and Widow Mines burrow. Lurkers and WM have to have paid their Burrow cost this turn to attack or block. My version of Overrun, this is meant to work along with Burrow. Burrow usually requires tapping, making it a good way of getting a blocking creature out alive if it was going to die. With this, Burrow becomes an offensive tool because you can suddenly tap all of your Burrowing critters to make them indestructible, then untap them and attack with them. It's an approximation of Roach burrow micro. Spider Mines as an instant. Just realized that the wording at the bottom is ambiguous, it's meant to be "R: +1 token, once per Vulture you control." Science Vessel as a neat W/B card that works in both a mono-white and a mono-black Terran deck. The Raven is a white detector and the Orbital Command is a red detector, so each color has a mode of detection. Ovie. I think I nailed Arcturus's flavor down pretty well with this. And just for fun: Aka marine splitting! Aka timing attack! I also tried to work more standard MTG abilities into the set where possible/appropriate: ie the Medivac can give bio creatures lifelink, the High Templar has scry. Show nested quote +I really like this idea, but unfortunately it doesn't solve the issue of how to allow units to destroy structures, as they do in Starcraft. However, I think I'll assess my Refinery, Assimilator and Extractor to incorporate your idea of enchanting lands, if that's alright.
Considering I was totally inspired by you and Urth, yeeah, you're more than welcome to take anything you like. I still think there are tons of ways of achieving what you're trying to do using this method that are more neat. Give target creature -2/-2, destroy target creature, destroy target creature with defender, fight target creature with defender, destroy target enchantment, destroy target land. So units can totally destroy structures, the only thing that's missing is other units being able to save structures, but that's fixable too with more complex instructions, "...unless opponent pays 3" or "...unless opponent sacrifices a creature with converted mana cost equal or higher to target enchantment." Feedback very welcome!!
Not bad at all! Here's a few thoughts I have on your cards:
1. Your evolution mechanic is great. I never thought of incorporating the name of the pre-evolved creature into a keyword.
2. Creating cards like Close Quarters Carnage and Defender's Advantage is something I toyed with. I added a bunch of cards like Cheese, High Ground, etc., but I felt like this was too arbitrary, as I wanted to capture the essence of Starcraft 2. However, if the goal is to create a complete set, then it would probably be necessary to include cards like these in order to make a more well-rounded set.
3. The way you added Stimpack to Terran infantry seems simple and effective.
4. I noticed that you included some cards from Starcraft and Brood War. There are definitely some great potential cards that I couldn't make by going with Starcraft 2. Again, it's probably a better choice to create cards using concepts from all of the Starcraft games. I guess I'm realizing how much I have prioritized staying true to Starcraft over creating a viable set.
In other news, I've been making some changes to many of my cards. I don't think I'll be going back and updating the original post, but I will be updating the downloadable archive of card images.
Here's a few of the cards I've changed:
Zergling has been changed to a spell similar to Dragon Fodder.
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The Hatchery and Queen have been changed to incorporate a new larva mechanic. I want to include more cards that use larva, but I'm not sure if this is possible. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to share them.
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I also redistributed the colors based on earlier suggestions. Zerg underwent the most color changes, with its smaller creatures being red, flying creatures being black and larger creatures being green.
I deleted Proxy Barracks, Four Gate and Six Pool, as I should have refrained from dabbling in concepts outside of those hard-wired into the game.
I revised the Bunker based on the card proposed by Zechs in his set, which can be seen here.
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Finally, I'm not currently satisfied with the shield mechanic. Although it may function in a way that accurately represents Starcraft, I feel as though it is too complicated. If anyone has a suggestion on how I can simplify it, your help is welcome.
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Excellent timing should be ee han timing 
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1. would u be able to send me those some how so i can use them.
2. I think terran should be white zerg should be black and protoss should be blue.
3.if its cool with u would u email me those cards or something so i can use them with my friends id love to test them or what not. Id use them on magic workstation with them 2.
4. kickass man so far what ive read makes sense other then the color u picked for zerg and terran. I say that because i only play mono decks but if this works out and the dual lands and stuff work for me i might go dual color but other then that man keep them coming.
5. Id think itd be cool if u did warcraft 3 the frozen throne and diablo.
message me on here if its okay with u for me to use the cards as i would LOVE to and LITTERALLY KILL to use them.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://dailyduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hatch-Zerglings-Version-2.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://dailyduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hatchery-Version-2.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://dailyduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Queen-Version-2.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://dailyduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bunker-Version-2.jpg)
