As the year of 2013 comes to a close with the 2013 Hot6ix Cup Last Big Match finale, many exciting changes are brewing for the next year in 2014. This entire year was made possible by fans and members of GOMTV.net and we would like to take this time to thank you for showing us your support for such a long time.
We believe that the changes being made in preparation for 2014 will allow us to deliver a better service to our users and be able to connect with them on many levels which are two of our main goals. Without further ado, here are some of the new eXPeriences that you can look forward to...
As of December 3rd, GOMTV has rebranded as GOMeXP and has announced several new changes in its service.
Most notably, GSL/GSTL streaming will move entirely to TwitchTV for 2014, with GomTV.net no longer used to stream matches. "Medium" on twitch will be provided for free, while "high" and "source" quality will be available to subscribers. VODs will also be behind the subscription paywall, making this effectively a full reversion to GomTV's subscription policy prior to the introduction of the WCS system. Early bird discounts are available for viewers who wish to buy a 2014 year pass on TwitchTV.
Additionally, GOMeXP will open its own Youtube channel which will initially provide all GomTV VODs from 2010~2012.
Cut down on those bandwidth costs and makes everything more view able on mobile devices. Good move for GOM all around and great for those of us who want to watch it on things that are not our PC.
It looks like only the medium quality will be available for free on twitch. I hope there will be a monthly option to sub.
edit: also they better fix the audio, I watched on their website because the twitch stream always had some annoying noise that you could hear when there was no music playing.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Plansix wrote: Cut down on those bandwidth costs and makes everything more view able on mobile devices. Good move for GOM all around and great for those of us who want to watch it on things that are not our PC.
Don't count on mobile availability. Some tournament channels disable mobile streaming since fewer ads play on the twitch app than the main site.
Although that's really dumb of them because you can't adblock the twitch app as far as I know.
GomTV.Net's stream used to be awesome but starting around early 2013 it started lagging for me really terribly. More than Twitch. So I'm pretty happy/neutral towards that aspect of the change. I can't complain that they halved the ticket prices, either.
On December 03 2013 11:30 MCXD wrote: GomTV.Net's stream used to be awesome but starting around early 2013 it started lagging for me really terribly. More than Twitch. So I'm pretty happy/neutral towards that aspect of the change. I can't complain that they halved the ticket prices, either.
Huh? It's still $20 a season, a little less if you buy all 3 at once.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Plansix wrote: Cut down on those bandwidth costs and makes everything more view able on mobile devices. Good move for GOM all around and great for those of us who want to watch it on things that are not our PC.
Don't count on mobile availability. Some tournament channels disable mobile streaming since fewer ads play on the twitch app than the main site.
Although that's really dumb of them because you can't adblock the twitch app as far as I know.
The only problem I've ever had with a tournament not streaming on Twitch mobile was with MLG at their last two events, and even then I've found workarounds. Otherwise, I have never had a problem with any other tournament, especially sc2 and DotA2 ones. All the WCS stuff was available on mobile before, so I expect something similar in the future.
Anyways, sick chat emoticons. ArtPylon to be the new kappa?
On December 03 2013 11:30 MCXD wrote: GomTV.Net's stream used to be awesome but starting around early 2013 it started lagging for me really terribly. More than Twitch. So I'm pretty happy/neutral towards that aspect of the change. I can't complain that they halved the ticket prices, either.
Huh? It's still $20 a season, a little less if you buy all 3 at once.
I swear Premium used to cost like $130 for the whole year, not $70.
On December 03 2013 11:30 MCXD wrote: GomTV.Net's stream used to be awesome but starting around early 2013 it started lagging for me really terribly. More than Twitch. So I'm pretty happy/neutral towards that aspect of the change. I can't complain that they halved the ticket prices, either.
Huh? It's still $20 a season, a little less if you buy all 3 at once.
I swear Premium used to cost like $130 for the whole year, not $70.
That's because there used to be 4-5 GSLs a year, not 3.
They should really add Youtube streaming as well as Twitch if they can. Twitch is terrible for a ridiculous amount of viewers and no one should be exclusively using Twitch for anything.
I really question the decision to rebrand as GOMeXP, it sounds pretty stupid and honestly in esports saying this is on "TV" carries a more of a weight than saying I am an "expert". It was one of the biggest draws of GOM, knowing that what you are watching is big enough to be shown on TV. Maybe they are divesting their TV resources.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Hammer442 wrote: Bad news for the majority, no more free high quality, probably back down to 480/360p on twitch. Hopefully not back to the old days of pixelmania.
Medium is 360P. And just when I was looking forward to the GSL in 2014...
ughhhhhh.... Twitch is so sh*t for me, can't watching anything even on medium, can only stream Low... I HATE this twitch monopoly, we need an alternative... I loved the gom streamer....
Putting VODs behind paywalls is a joke, especially at GOM's asking price. Looks like it's back to no GSL for me, unless they get smart and do rebroadcasts at a reasonable time of the day.
Is it just me, or is this a codephrase for we're getting into LoL?
I believe it used to be that Gom was a maker of internet video players when they first started, but I guess that business is gone and now they are going full e-sports.
On December 03 2013 11:29 Waxangel wrote: I preferred watching through GomTV.net personally D:
their interface for watching VODs was pretty good, and their search was really good too!
Will their main page and vod system remain untouched on the old gomtv? I still payed for the WCS seasons in gom, so i didnt have to go throught the mess that is looking for a VOD within twitch channel and getting spoil after spoil while looking.
Hopefully they will have a page with similar funcionality.
On December 03 2013 12:05 Xyl22 wrote: Seems a bit on the pricey side, do these subscriptions even include GSTL? 480p only for free, or pay 50$ for 3 seasons at 720p -_-
Is it just me, or is this a codephrase for we're getting into LoL?
I believe it used to be that Gom was a maker of internet video players when they first started, but I guess that business is gone and now they are going full e-sports.
I think they're still doing internet video stuff if what is currently on Gomtv.kr is of any indication.
But there will still be VoDs on GOM page, right? RIGHT? Otherwise I won't pay anything for the first time since start of 2012, I was not able to watch twitch VoDs like... ever.
On December 03 2013 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote: Sigh I wish 480p would die. It's a 5:4 aspect ratio... Should be 520p (16 x 9).
Pretty sad when the quality levels change aspect ratios.
360p is 640x360 (16 x 9) 480p is 600x480 (5:4) 720p is 1280x720 (16 x 9) 1080p is 1920x1080 (16 x 9)
There is no such thing as 600x480. BTW, 800x480 is (16 x 9)
The paywall is funny. That was one of the good things about wcs, no paywall and free vods. The starcraft scene is already small, this is gonna make it smaller.
On December 03 2013 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote: Sigh I wish 480p would die. It's a 5:4 aspect ratio... Should be 520p (16 x 9).
Pretty sad when the quality levels change aspect ratios.
360p is 640x360 (16 x 9) 480p is 600x480 (5:4) 720p is 1280x720 (16 x 9) 1080p is 1920x1080 (16 x 9)
There is no such thing as 600x480. BTW, 800x480 is (16 x 9)
The paywall is funny. That was one of the good things about wcs, no paywall and free vods. The starcraft scene is already small, this is gonna make it smaller.
I don't know, making money as an event runner is always important. Gom has never done us wrong.
On December 03 2013 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote: Sigh I wish 480p would die. It's a 5:4 aspect ratio... Should be 520p (16 x 9).
Pretty sad when the quality levels change aspect ratios.
360p is 640x360 (16 x 9) 480p is 600x480 (5:4) 720p is 1280x720 (16 x 9) 1080p is 1920x1080 (16 x 9)
There is no such thing as 600x480. BTW, 800x480 is (16 x 9)
The paywall is funny. That was one of the good things about wcs, no paywall and free vods. The starcraft scene is already small, this is gonna make it smaller.
I don't know, making money as an event runner is always important. Gom has never done us wrong.
At the beginning, I'm thinking, why Gom why! Gom stream never lagged!
I know that Gom has never made bad decisions. So I assume (and hope) there's something else in store for us.
On December 03 2013 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote: Sigh I wish 480p would die. It's a 5:4 aspect ratio... Should be 520p (16 x 9).
Pretty sad when the quality levels change aspect ratios.
360p is 640x360 (16 x 9) 480p is 600x480 (5:4) 720p is 1280x720 (16 x 9) 1080p is 1920x1080 (16 x 9)
There is no such thing as 600x480. BTW, 800x480 is (16 x 9)
The paywall is funny. That was one of the good things about wcs, no paywall and free vods. The starcraft scene is already small, this is gonna make it smaller.
I don't know, making money as an event runner is always important. Gom has never done us wrong.
At the beginning, I'm thinking, why Gom why! Gom stream never lagged!
I know that Gom has never made bad decisions. So I assume (and hope) there's something else in store for us.
It will likely save them a ton of money not having to provide the bandwidth for the streaming and VODs. I bet this will go a long way to making them more money and being more stable.
I can't tell you how many times the Twitch stream would be unwatchable and the Gom stream A-Ok. I hope Twitch improves their damn service for this upcoming year because losing this alternative is going to make me extra frustrated whenever their stream starts to flutter.
So what's the real deal with this rebranding? Is GOM moving away from esports, and spinning off their esports business and staff into a new company? If not, what's the purpose behind this strange new name?
Edit: Also, what happens with past VODs that we have paid for? Can we still watch them, or will they eventually disappear?
So it looks like gom is cutting costs by a lot cutting out their own stream and getting dat clauf money with this partnership. I'm just going to assume there's a clauf partnership due to the website similarity even if clauf isn't mentioned by name.
I really liked the ease of both watching and navigating the GOM Vods from their site although I did watch some of the live streaming on Twitch due to it being better on my low bandwidth connection. I hope there is some kind of navigation system that gives a better view of vods than you get on the Twitch site.
I don't understand the reason for the re-branding though.
Bummer, I prefer gom's site for vods. I hate tracking down vods on twitch, and watching live probably won't be an option for me, so I guess I won't be subscribing (unless twitch adds some quality vod support)
i didn't know they're still broadcasting world of tanks
moreover, the tab for the "Counter Strike Online The Challenge" is literally just the same information for Sudden Attack pasted over. was hoping that CS was starting to take off in korea, 1.6 was my shit and global offensive is decent
On December 03 2013 13:08 RaiKageRyu wrote: I can understand why they would move all their streaming to Twitch but why the need to re-brand themselves?
Might be something to do with how they're expanding to more games/upcoming partnerships, as suggested with this line on their website "GOMTV, known as the global standard for eSports, will shift gears into GOM eXP which will specialize as an eSports and Game Contents Experts Group."
Twitch is normally fine for me however I liked GOM's vod system sucks that it's going away.
The vods and the stat system that linked to each vod and the links from each players profile to each vod AND the autoplay feature wont be there anymore.
This is going to make it nearly impossible to find the old vods.......
On December 03 2013 14:08 Bodzilla wrote: How the fuck are we supposed to find vods now.
The vods and the stat system that linked to each vod and the links from each players profile to each vod AND the autoplay feature wont be there anymore.
This is going to make it nearly impossible to find the old vods.......
Old vods from 2010-2012 will be uploaded to their new YouTube channel, however long it takes to upload them all is another question.
Meh they blocked Chinese IPs since like 2012, I can't watch on gom even I subbed, cost me 20$ to find out. But can't blame them, they have an official partner here.
On December 03 2013 14:14 digmouse wrote: Meh they blocked Chinese IPs since like 2012, I can't watch on gom even I subbed, cost me 20$ to find out. But can't blame them, they have an official partner here.
They let you pay money from a Chinese IP, but then denied the vods to your Chinese IP? If it was more than $20 that would actually be a very serious problem.
On December 03 2013 11:42 Kergy wrote: wonder what would happen to #esports if twitch just died one day
Dailymotion and youtube are still there.
I'd prefer youtube to become of a thing for streaming really. With the way google has positioned themselves with APPs on TV, mobiles, and now with Chromecast being a thing, streaming to TVs directly via youtube should be possible in the near future if it already isn't.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Hammer442 wrote: Bad news for the majority, no more free high quality, probably back down to 480/360p on twitch. Hopefully not back to the old days of pixelmania.
hah "pixelmania" is exactly how i remember my first couple GOMTV experiences w/ SC2. good times, even with the massive pixelage
On December 03 2013 11:42 Kergy wrote: wonder what would happen to #esports if twitch just died one day
Dailymotion and youtube are still there.
I'd prefer youtube to become of a thing for streaming really. With the way google has positioned themselves with APPs on TV, mobiles, and now with Chromecast being a thing, streaming to TVs directly via youtube should be possible in the near future if it already isn't.
It is possible now via 'smart TVs' that have youtube connected, if that's what ya mean
I waaaaay prefered the gom site streams to the twitch ones... this blows. No alternative stream service means yet another tourney becomes a stuttering 240p lag fest for me. I really hope they reconsider and add at least one alternative stream.
On December 03 2013 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote: Sigh I wish 480p would die. It's a 5:4 aspect ratio... Should be 520p (16 x 9).
Pretty sad when the quality levels change aspect ratios.
360p is 640x360 (16 x 9) 480p is 600x480 (5:4) 720p is 1280x720 (16 x 9) 1080p is 1920x1080 (16 x 9)
There is no such thing as 600x480. BTW, 800x480 is (16 x 9)
The paywall is funny. That was one of the good things about wcs, no paywall and free vods. The starcraft scene is already small, this is gonna make it smaller.
800x480 is NOT 16 : 9 resolution, 800x480 would be 5:3
also the one guy mentioning 480p is 720x480, that's still not 16 : 9 but 3:2
480p can't even be 16 : 9 because 480 can not be evenly divided by 9
hypothetically 480p in 16 : 9 would be 853.3333333x480
On December 03 2013 11:34 Waxangel wrote: rofl Gomexp looks exactly like clauf's old page
That's fishyyyyyyyyyy
The reason the website looks similar to sites you know is, that it's a web framework that's being used by anyone who's sites look like his. bottom line: nothing fishy about it at all
Twitch needs to get rid of the purple time bar at the bottom of VOD's that is always there. It often ruins the final series on the VOD because you can see when it ends T__T
Gonna miss the old GOM VoD system. Definitely the best in the industry, spoiler free, easy to navigate. Wonder how this affects their relationship with the parent company?
On the bright side, let's hope GOM partnering with Twitch could influence them to increase the quotas for SC2, so it doesn't lag as much as it did this year. Perhaps Blizzard has not tried such arrangements with Twitch for this year, but GOM might now.
well, i bought tickets for all the 4 seasons in 2013, and i wanted to buy for the next year too, but now ill get lags and spoilers? (ever noticed the purple line below when watching vods on twich? its basically telling you how much games left in a BOx, and if they will leave the entire broadcast as a single vod of 6H and you will have to skip manually every time it will be even worse). I hope that at least their vod interface will stay as it is so we will have a fast spoiler free way to navigate between the matches we want to see. i really need to rethink about buying that ticket now.
I know it's not a big deal, but I really loved the Gom streaming. Twitch is usually eh and sometimes terrible, GOM interface is way better and I like it being on its own specific site. Strangely enough it kind of added to the experience...
So the stream and vods are moved to a platform that is known to have massive lag issues at least in EU, the free stream quality is dropped compared to last year and VODS are still behind a pay wall. A significant step backwards isn't it?
Not a good thing imo. So many TL members from EU have complained about Twitch lagging that I can see this being problematic. Having said that, it's not at peak hours so it may be ok. Best to wait and see
Twitch is terrible for me here is Eastern Europe, so this is a terrible decision for me, I also hate the Twitch quality, their "medium" quality is only 360p, their "high" quality is 480p and only the "source" quality is 720p. They don't even have 1080p anymore.
I also hate the new limits that you must be subscriber to watch "high" which is only 480p, I mean we are 2014 in a month, watching 360p isn't cutting it anymore, unless I can watch 720p for free and have paid 1080p or higher I don't consider that to be a service, I consider it a ripoff.
Like I haven't watched anything at 360p for over 5/6 years, its ridiculous for me to be watching 360p and being forced to pay to watch 480p on high, as I can't watch "Source" on Twitch because it ALWAYS lags massively for me, its completely unwatchable and I'm stuck at "high" quality which is only 480p.
On December 03 2013 14:14 digmouse wrote: Meh they blocked Chinese IPs since like 2012, I can't watch on gom even I subbed, cost me 20$ to find out. But can't blame them, they have an official partner here.
They let you pay money from a Chinese IP, but then denied the vods to your Chinese IP? If it was more than $20 that would actually be a very serious problem.
Yes I can sub and pay but the video player never loads for me after they ditch gomplayer, I tested with several VPNs including JP, US and EU IPs, looks like they lock Chinese IP out, the stream is fine tho, just vods.
On December 03 2013 17:03 BillGates wrote: Twitch is terrible for me here is Eastern Europe, so this is a terrible decision for me, I also hate the Twitch quality, their "medium" quality is only 360p, their "high" quality is 480p and only the "source" quality is 720p. They don't even have 1080p anymore.
I also hate the new limits that you must be subscriber to watch "high" which is only 480p, I mean we are 2014 in a month, watching 360p isn't cutting it anymore, unless I can watch 720p for free and have paid 1080p or higher I don't consider that to be a service, I consider it a ripoff.
Like I haven't watched anything at 360p for over 5/6 years, its ridiculous for me to be watching 360p and being forced to pay to watch 480p on high, as I can't watch "Source" on Twitch because it ALWAYS lags massively for me, its completely unwatchable and I'm stuck at "high" quality which is only 480p.
Well that explains why the Darude gig at Dreamhack quality was so so awful (especially on 2560x1600 monitor).. "high" was 480p =\ Probably behind the times with that information, but now it at least makes sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 480p is actually medium isn't it?
Dunno about you guys, but GomTV is usually live during a time, when Twitch doesn't lag as a badly in Europe, namely during lunchtime. It gets worse as the day progresses though.
On December 03 2013 17:03 BillGates wrote: Twitch is terrible for me here is Eastern Europe, so this is a terrible decision for me, I also hate the Twitch quality, their "medium" quality is only 360p, their "high" quality is 480p and only the "source" quality is 720p. They don't even have 1080p anymore.
I also hate the new limits that you must be subscriber to watch "high" which is only 480p, I mean we are 2014 in a month, watching 360p isn't cutting it anymore, unless I can watch 720p for free and have paid 1080p or higher I don't consider that to be a service, I consider it a ripoff.
Like I haven't watched anything at 360p for over 5/6 years, its ridiculous for me to be watching 360p and being forced to pay to watch 480p on high, as I can't watch "Source" on Twitch because it ALWAYS lags massively for me, its completely unwatchable and I'm stuck at "high" quality which is only 480p.
Well that explains why the Darude gig at Dreamhack quality was so so awful (especially on 2560x1600 monitor).. "high" was 480p =\ Probably behind the times with that information, but now it at least makes sense.
Is it actually Twitch's fault or is it Dreamhack's? Source has always looked 1080p on many other streams.
On December 03 2013 17:13 Tertyshny wrote: If i buy not premium subscription VOD's will be on High or Source quality for me?
Streams will beHigh/720p for the 49.99$ pack, Source/presumably 1080p/60fps for the 79.99$ pack, I guess vods will be the same. Actually money wise consider the amount of content and production value gom provides it's a good deal, but the service quality will probably become the bigger concern, especially for Europeans.
... VODs will also be behind the subscription paywall...
Ah well, guess there is a reason I haven't watched any GOM at all in atleast a year. How can they compete with foreign tournaments, which have better (atleast on pair) casting, hosting and now also stacked with top koreans (which are for free)? Also in EU, GOM's live streaming is when we european work lol. Is it not possible for them to get sponsors like foreign tournaments ?
On December 03 2013 15:30 peidongyang wrote: RIP our european viewers
Well acutally Twitch got better the last weeks in Europe, at least for me. I can watch many streams in Source quality before only High was possible and that even i had to lower from time to time to medium
Really enjoyed the original player worked better for me than twitch and dropped less on higher quality. Looking at this thread and talking to mates though whether Twitch or GOM worked better seemed to change with each household. Just lucky / unlucky I guess.
Oh well! The YouTube thing is an AWESOME change. Will continue to support for sure.
On December 03 2013 15:30 peidongyang wrote: RIP our european viewers
Well acutally Twitch got better the last weeks in Europe, at least for me. I can watch many streams in Source quality before only High was possible and that even i had to lower from time to time to medium
not really, i basically didn't watch dreamhack at all partly because twitch would freeze for multiple seconds every few seconds. Even on medium, sometimes even on low, everything above is just wishful thinking. I refuse to watch streams on mobile because what's the point if you don't see anything.
I've watched so little in the past few months and it kinda killed my passion because every time I tried watching an event it was thoroughly unenjoyable.
Plus Twitch VODs load at like 1MB per hour for me.
This seems very optimistic. No one is gonna watch it for free in "medium", and i doubt there's a lot of paying customers still out there. Don't really know what they are thinking.
On December 03 2013 18:42 Silan wrote: This seems very optimistic. No one is gonna watch it for free in "medium", and i doubt there's a lot of paying customers still out there. Don't really know what they are thinking.
Is there any recent number regarding their paying customerbase? I too cant really grasp why one would pay too watch SC2 tournaments, unless starcraft is like the only thing on your mind. Even if I did pay, I simply wont have time to watch it all, especially with how much WCS stuff and all the other free tournaments going on.
Wait, I'm slightly confused, is Gretech completely revamping their GOMTV brand or is the GOMTV e-Sports division separating from the GOMTV group itself into GOMeXP?
On December 03 2013 14:26 Vonthin wrote: Also yay that they are doing a CS:GO league, DH CSGO was fucking awesome and I want to see more pro csgo tournaments
I really really hope Twitch fixes their EU problems until next year; GSL is my favorite tournament by a landslide, but I'm not going to pay for HD when Twitch isn't able to deliver it.
Edit: And I wonder what they'll do with VODs, because their webseite was the best. Now that I think of it, there's really no way it doesn't get worse with this.
On December 03 2013 17:57 crappen wrote: ... VODs will also be behind the subscription paywall...
Ah well, guess there is a reason I haven't watched any GOM at all in atleast a year. How can they compete with foreign tournaments, which have better (atleast on pair) casting, hosting and now also stacked with top koreans (which are for free)? Also in EU, GOM's live streaming is when we european work lol. Is it not possible for them to get sponsors like foreign tournaments ?
How can you even say that? There's a reason why you don't know, and it's because you don't watch the content.
I really liked the gom player, as well as the gom website layout. Twitch has been better for me recently regarding lag, but it's still way worse in every aspect.
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service? So now everything will be available only on the unbelievably unreliable Twitch? Everyone is blabbering about how this or that nonsense is killing esports, while the biggest problem of the whole thing is still that you can't reliably watch it if you happen to live in a wrong country.
How the hell do Twitch land all of these major tournaments? Their service it's absolutely terrible in Europe. They should have kept GOM.tv at least as an option.
On December 03 2013 19:17 opisska wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service? So now everything will be available only on the unbelievably unreliable Twitch? Everyone is blabbering about how this or that nonsense is killing esports, while the biggest problem of the whole thing is still that you can't reliably watch it if you happen to live in a wrong country.
CDN and all those bandwidth burn money like fire through butter.
On December 03 2013 19:17 opisska wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service?
Costs for developing and maintaing their platform, servers for vods/streaming + bandwidth vs. no costs, cause u host it on platforms where u get the service for free??? Quite a nobrainer i would say
On December 03 2013 18:54 GTR wrote: Wait, I'm slightly confused, is Gretech completely revamping their GOMTV brand or is the GOMTV e-Sports division separating from the GOMTV group itself into GOMeXP?
I think it's just rebranding. If Gretech was droping ESPORTS it would be a much bigger news.
Twitch.tv vod system is terrible while the GOM one was amazing. This change really sucks unless they take steps with twitch to improve their VOD experience.
Prize money is provided by blizzard, right? So will all the income from subs benefit the players in any way or whats the deal. With the prizepool being so top heavy next GSL I would like it if they increased the money you got further down the ladder. Then I would definitely buy a sub (probably will anyway) but would like to know a bit more.
I really don't like how everyone switches to twitch. Their reliability has steadily been going down instead of up and because they're the only streaming service left, they don't give a shit.
On December 03 2013 17:57 crappen wrote: ... VODs will also be behind the subscription paywall...
Ah well, guess there is a reason I haven't watched any GOM at all in atleast a year. How can they compete with foreign tournaments, which have better (atleast on pair) casting, hosting and now also stacked with top koreans (which are for free)? Also in EU, GOM's live streaming is when we european work lol. Is it not possible for them to get sponsors like foreign tournaments ?
How can you even say that? There's a reason why you don't know, and it's because you don't watch the content.
So content has changed and improved by a huge margin since a year ago? Is Wolf/Khaldor still casting, as well as Tasteless/artosis? What does GOM have now and does better then foreign tournaments? I am asking you since you probably know. Dont get me wrong, I am grateful that they provide salary for the korean scene which is important, I'm just a bit curious how they make people pay for it considering the awesome tournaments that have been with both WCS, DH, Taketv, and probaly more then I can even have time for to watch now.
Also, this payment is for foreigners only right? It's still free in korea, the vods and high qualty?
On December 03 2013 17:57 crappen wrote: ... VODs will also be behind the subscription paywall...
Ah well, guess there is a reason I haven't watched any GOM at all in atleast a year. How can they compete with foreign tournaments, which have better (atleast on pair) casting, hosting and now also stacked with top koreans (which are for free)? Also in EU, GOM's live streaming is when we european work lol. Is it not possible for them to get sponsors like foreign tournaments ?
How can you even say that? There's a reason why you don't know, and it's because you don't watch the content.
So content has changed and improved by a huge margin since a year ago? Is Wolf/Khaldor still casting, as well as Tasteless/artosis? What does GOM have now and does better then foreign tournaments? I am asking you since you probably know. Dont get me wrong, I am grateful that they provide salary for the korean scene which is important, I'm just a bit curious how they make people pay for it considering the awesome tournaments that have been with both WCS, DH, Taketv, and probaly more then I can even have time for to watch now.
Also, this payment is for foreigners only right? It's still free in korea, the vods and high qualty?
Best production, always offline, toughest competition in the world, great casters. Its the best of the best really. No idea if koreans dont have to pay. Not even at a cheaper prize? hmm
so we bhave 420p free wich is in this time so bad that i wont even watch it because all other regions have 720p free ? and also the lagfree gomtv is changed to alwayslagging twitch ?
i have a question for those here who know the korean scene.What will happen to the korean viewers of gom?Will gom keep a koreans stream for their korean viewers(they are a korean company after all) or will they force all of their korean viewers to watch their products on twitch?Cause as far as i know le koreans aint big fans on twitch.last dreamhack finals had about 2k viewers on the korean stream.Also won't that be bad with korean sponsors since most users on twitch are form outside the might land of korea?
On December 03 2013 15:30 peidongyang wrote: RIP our european viewers
Well acutally Twitch got better the last weeks in Europe, at least for me. I can watch many streams in Source quality before only High was possible and that even i had to lower from time to time to medium
Yeah for a long time I was able to watch only in low quality. But lately I was shocked when I was watching DH, IEM and my player loaded on "source" quality and I there was no lag.
I think that everyone that ever bought a ticket and not gonna buy a ticket for the next season like me because of this change should post it in their site, maybe it will help
No offense to twitch and I really love them and all they have done for esports, HOWEVER I like to watch my gomtv from their site with no lag on stream and vods, sadly twitch usually can't offer either. As gom will be the sole wcs partner for korea though I have no choice but to use their service any ways as I have little interest in foreign players.
I think the most important (or devastating) aspect of this announcement is that WCS no longer has free HQ and VODs for all the regions, essentially breaking the unified model for the league. The broadcast time for GSL is very early morning for America and midday for Europe. I'd bet most viewers have work or school and can't watch live. If everyone who watched the VODs in 2013 buy a ticket for 2014, GOM will be rich. Somehow I don't see this happening with the current prices...
Twitch used to be awful in Europe for few months early fall, but it seems to have gotten better now (atleast for me, source works again vs 360p lagging constantly).
You can view the VODs spoiler free from the WCS portal so it's not as bad as many here say. Can't remember if you see the purple time bar there too, but that's easily fixed if the proper people get notified of the problem.
On December 03 2013 22:05 ReboundEU wrote: I have a question (stupid) but still a question
..on their fancy site they say they work from "Gangnam Studio". Is that a name given before or after the gangnam style hit went viral? :D
It's just a location. There's a subway station called that way and their studio is next to it. The song is about that location area too. Not sure when they started building the new studio, but when they moved, the song existed, yes.
I really don't like the switch to twitch. In 2013 I only paid for WCS Korea because they had their own streaming service. It was bumpy in the first two, three months, but after that it ran really great. Also the VODs were easy to find and spoiler free. In 2011/12 I bought for almost every big tournament a HD ticket, but almost every time the twitch lagged pretty bad on the HD resolutions. I can understand, why GomTV / GomeXP did the switch, still I don't like it.
On December 03 2013 21:02 perfidiusrex wrote: i have a question for those here who know the korean scene.What will happen to the korean viewers of gom?Will gom keep a koreans stream for their korean viewers(they are a korean company after all) or will they force all of their korean viewers to watch their products on twitch?Cause as far as i know le koreans aint big fans on twitch.last dreamhack finals had about 2k viewers on the korean stream.Also won't that be bad with korean sponsors since most users on twitch are form outside the might land of korea?
Go to http://www.gomexp.com/en/ scroll down to the leagues and check GSL. There are four streams listed for the korean viewers, so I guess they'll be ok.
As far as i am concerned, this is bad news. Twitch is known to have lag issues, especially for people from Europe, and I really loved Gom's stream and how fast they uploaded VODs, should you miss something.
I just don't want to pay for something that will stutter on high or source or watch on medium which will probably be pixelated as hell.
Monopoly is just a bad thing, now everything has to be on twitch, and their service is not really top notch. It is even worse when they condition some chats to be available only if you have Facebook account etc.
I just don't support that and hope at least Youtube will get more popular for streaming because Dailymotion simply isn't strong enough competitor.
On December 03 2013 22:09 sagi wrote: I think the most important (or devastating) aspect of this announcement is that WCS no longer has free HQ and VODs for all the regions, essentially breaking the unified model for the league. The broadcast time for GSL is very early morning for America and midday for Europe. I'd bet most viewers have work or school and can't watch live. If everyone who watched the VODs in 2013 buy a ticket for 2014, GOM will be rich. Somehow I don't see this happening with the current prices...
Twitch used to be awful in Europe for few months early fall, but it seems to have gotten better now (atleast for me, source works again vs 360p lagging constantly).
You can view the VODs spoiler free from the WCS portal so it's not as bad as many here say. Can't remember if you see the purple time bar there too, but that's easily fixed if the proper people get notified of the problem.
the biggest issue from my perspective will be how will the korean fans and sponsors react to thin.no one has answered my previous question if gom will keep some sort of streams on korean sites like afreeca or if they will completly force the korean audience to watch twitch.koreans do not watch twitch in large numbers.also from what i see in their announcement they are disabling their player and mobile thingy too.this might be bad for the korean scene a bit.if gom productions do not get large numbers on twitch the sc2 korean scene might have severe issues.
They list some streaming services in the new site, among others Afreeca (see the post above your original). I get the impression those are to stay, since they are still listed. I hope this is the case as I share your fears how twitch only might go in Korea. From gomtv.net comments some said twitch is unwatchable in Korea. Don't know if that's just opinion of the few, but from this thread alone you can see Australia seems to get the short end of the stick on this switch. So it's not unrealistic to think Korea might not have enough servers either. That'd suck big time for the Korean scene.
On December 03 2013 21:25 c0olL wrote: I think that everyone that ever bought a ticket and not gonna buy a ticket for the next season like me because of this change should post it in their site, maybe it will help
its like me ^^ i bought tickets since open season 1, and i wont buy a ticket now ... twitch is just a lagfestival for me so no reason to put money into something i cant see
On December 03 2013 22:09 sagi wrote: I think the most important (or devastating) aspect of this announcement is that WCS no longer has free HQ and VODs for all the regions, essentially breaking the unified model for the league. The broadcast time for GSL is very early morning for America and midday for Europe. I'd bet most viewers have work or school and can't watch live. If everyone who watched the VODs in 2013 buy a ticket for 2014, GOM will be rich. Somehow I don't see this happening with the current prices...
Twitch used to be awful in Europe for few months early fall, but it seems to have gotten better now (atleast for me, source works again vs 360p lagging constantly).
You can view the VODs spoiler free from the WCS portal so it's not as bad as many here say. Can't remember if you see the purple time bar there too, but that's easily fixed if the proper people get notified of the problem.
the biggest issue from my perspective will be how will the korean fans and sponsors react to thin.no one has answered my previous question if gom will keep some sort of streams on korean sites like afreeca or if they will completly force the korean audience to watch twitch.koreans do not watch twitch in large numbers.also from what i see in their announcement they are disabling their player and mobile thingy too.this might be bad for the korean scene a bit.if gom productions do not get large numbers on twitch the sc2 korean scene might have severe issues.
They list some streaming services in the new site, among others Afreeca (see the post above your original). I get the impression those are to stay, since they are still listed. I hope this is the case as I share your fears how twitch only might go in Korea. From gomtv.net comments some said twitch is unwatchable in Korea. Don't know if that's just opinion of the few, but from this thread alone you can see Australia seems to get the short end of the stick on this switch. So it's not unrealistic to think Korea might not have enough servers either. That'd suck big time for the Korean scene.
i dont get the post sry when i look there its only the english one on twitch, and the korean is on different platforms like afri etc ... so i dont think its a problem for koreans, just for the lagheavy places on twitch like europe in foreigistan
On December 03 2013 21:25 c0olL wrote: I think that everyone that ever bought a ticket and not gonna buy a ticket for the next season like me because of this change should post it in their site, maybe it will help
its like me ^^ i bought tickets since open season 1, and i wont buy a ticket now ... twitch is just a lagfestival for me so no reason to put money into something i cant see
On December 03 2013 22:09 sagi wrote: I think the most important (or devastating) aspect of this announcement is that WCS no longer has free HQ and VODs for all the regions, essentially breaking the unified model for the league. The broadcast time for GSL is very early morning for America and midday for Europe. I'd bet most viewers have work or school and can't watch live. If everyone who watched the VODs in 2013 buy a ticket for 2014, GOM will be rich. Somehow I don't see this happening with the current prices...
Twitch used to be awful in Europe for few months early fall, but it seems to have gotten better now (atleast for me, source works again vs 360p lagging constantly).
You can view the VODs spoiler free from the WCS portal so it's not as bad as many here say. Can't remember if you see the purple time bar there too, but that's easily fixed if the proper people get notified of the problem.
the biggest issue from my perspective will be how will the korean fans and sponsors react to thin.no one has answered my previous question if gom will keep some sort of streams on korean sites like afreeca or if they will completly force the korean audience to watch twitch.koreans do not watch twitch in large numbers.also from what i see in their announcement they are disabling their player and mobile thingy too.this might be bad for the korean scene a bit.if gom productions do not get large numbers on twitch the sc2 korean scene might have severe issues.
They list some streaming services in the new site, among others Afreeca (see the post above your original). I get the impression those are to stay, since they are still listed. I hope this is the case as I share your fears how twitch only might go in Korea. From gomtv.net comments some said twitch is unwatchable in Korea. Don't know if that's just opinion of the few, but from this thread alone you can see Australia seems to get the short end of the stick on this switch. So it's not unrealistic to think Korea might not have enough servers either. That'd suck big time for the Korean scene.
i dont get the post sry when i look there its only the english one on twitch, and the korean is on different platforms like afri etc ... so i dont think its a problem for koreans, just for the lagheavy places on twitch like europe in foreigistan
wouldn't you retracting your subscription hurt gom a little.twitch ad money is sort of irrelevant.the only way they can make money of the foreign scene is by their seasonal subscriptions.and a lot of people on reddit are saying they will cancel subscriptions.if a lot of people cancel the subscriptions what interest will they have to keep english streams going?
On December 03 2013 21:25 c0olL wrote: I think that everyone that ever bought a ticket and not gonna buy a ticket for the next season like me because of this change should post it in their site, maybe it will help
its like me ^^ i bought tickets since open season 1, and i wont buy a ticket now ... twitch is just a lagfestival for me so no reason to put money into something i cant see
On December 03 2013 22:09 sagi wrote: I think the most important (or devastating) aspect of this announcement is that WCS no longer has free HQ and VODs for all the regions, essentially breaking the unified model for the league. The broadcast time for GSL is very early morning for America and midday for Europe. I'd bet most viewers have work or school and can't watch live. If everyone who watched the VODs in 2013 buy a ticket for 2014, GOM will be rich. Somehow I don't see this happening with the current prices...
Twitch used to be awful in Europe for few months early fall, but it seems to have gotten better now (atleast for me, source works again vs 360p lagging constantly).
You can view the VODs spoiler free from the WCS portal so it's not as bad as many here say. Can't remember if you see the purple time bar there too, but that's easily fixed if the proper people get notified of the problem.
the biggest issue from my perspective will be how will the korean fans and sponsors react to thin.no one has answered my previous question if gom will keep some sort of streams on korean sites like afreeca or if they will completly force the korean audience to watch twitch.koreans do not watch twitch in large numbers.also from what i see in their announcement they are disabling their player and mobile thingy too.this might be bad for the korean scene a bit.if gom productions do not get large numbers on twitch the sc2 korean scene might have severe issues.
They list some streaming services in the new site, among others Afreeca (see the post above your original). I get the impression those are to stay, since they are still listed. I hope this is the case as I share your fears how twitch only might go in Korea. From gomtv.net comments some said twitch is unwatchable in Korea. Don't know if that's just opinion of the few, but from this thread alone you can see Australia seems to get the short end of the stick on this switch. So it's not unrealistic to think Korea might not have enough servers either. That'd suck big time for the Korean scene.
i dont get the post sry when i look there its only the english one on twitch, and the korean is on different platforms like afri etc ... so i dont think its a problem for koreans, just for the lagheavy places on twitch like europe in foreigistan
To clarify, it's the same as you wrote. Just speculating on the "what if" scenario perfidiusrex wrote about.
On December 03 2013 22:55 Sogetsu wrote: Noo!! I always liked more the streaming on the GOM Player, I hope Twitch doesn't lag as hell like usually was doing for me on some tournaments -_-
realistically speaking it should not lag at all.gom has sc2 matches at around 9am-11am european time when no major tournaments or streamers are on.twitch does not lag that much during early morning and lunch.lag occurs mostly during the evening when there are a lot of streamers and tournaments on
On December 03 2013 19:17 opisska wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service?
Costs for developing and maintaing their platform, servers for vods/streaming + bandwidth vs. no costs, cause u host it on platforms where u get the service for free??? Quite a nobrainer i would say
Well, this doesn't make any sense either. Twitch is not a charity, so they need to pay for the very same costs somehow, how do they do it? If it is from ads or a cut from the subsriction, why can't GOM do the same?
On December 03 2013 19:17 opisska wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service?
Costs for developing and maintaing their platform, servers for vods/streaming + bandwidth vs. no costs, cause u host it on platforms where u get the service for free??? Quite a nobrainer i would say
Well, this doesn't make any sense either. Twitch is not a charity, so they need to pay for the very same costs somehow, how do they do it? If it is from ads or a cut from the subsriction, why can't GOM do the same?
twitch is massive and operates on european and na markets where there are a lot of sponsors.gom is a korean company and relies on korean sponsors who couldnt care less about the 1k viewers on the gom player.it is much easier for them to pass the foreign viewers onto twitch.the most likely response is that they were not getting enough money from the gom player thingy and mobile apps to keep them running.
On December 03 2013 19:17 opisska wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Is it really so expensive to run your own streaming service?
Costs for developing and maintaing their platform, servers for vods/streaming + bandwidth vs. no costs, cause u host it on platforms where u get the service for free??? Quite a nobrainer i would say
Well, this doesn't make any sense either. Twitch is not a charity, so they need to pay for the very same costs somehow, how do they do it? If it is from ads or a cut from the subsriction, why can't GOM do the same?
Because it is cheaper to use twitch, because they spread the cost across all their streams and income. The same with YouTube. I think Husky said it would cost him 50K a month to host his videos himself, rather than work with YouTube.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Plansix wrote: Cut down on those bandwidth costs and makes everything more view able on mobile devices. Good move for GOM all around and great for those of us who want to watch it on things that are not our PC.
Don't count on mobile availability. Some tournament channels disable mobile streaming since fewer ads play on the twitch app than the main site.
Although that's really dumb of them because you can't adblock the twitch app as far as I know.
I hope mobile is permitted. It's nice to listen to the cast at work.
On December 03 2013 22:05 ReboundEU wrote: I have a question (stupid) but still a question
..on their fancy site they say they work from "Gangnam Studio". Is that a name given before or after the gangnam style hit went viral? :D
well good thing you said it was stupid first it is a district of Seoul. Wikipedia/Google could have answered this in less than 30 seconds.. Psy chose gangnam as name for his song because of what the area is. "Wondering if you ever checked what the lyrics mean?"
Oh well, I guess I'm pretty much done with SC2 other than the occasional foreign tournament when there's literally nothing else to do, no way I'm giving Twitch money for such a terrible service.
On December 03 2013 11:28 Plansix wrote: Cut down on those bandwidth costs and makes everything more view able on mobile devices. Good move for GOM all around and great for those of us who want to watch it on things that are not our PC.
Although that's really dumb of them because you can't adblock the twitch app as far as I know.
I've never had an ad on the Twitch app (I wouldn't use it if it did), so either hosts blocking ads works or Twitch just doesn't want to show me ads.
I like the YouTube thing but I don't like the forced twitch because it is often laggy for me (both streams and vods). In general I don't like to watch vods on twitch. The video player of YouTube is way better and I think even the vod player of GOM was. And the new name is terrible too. I wonder if Artosis and Tasteless knew about this in advance and tried to prevent it. They are usually the ones who understand how silly most of these Korean name chances are.
On December 04 2013 00:18 Paragleiber wrote: I like the YouTube thing but I don't like the forced twitch because it is often laggy for me (both streams and vods). In general I don't like to watch vods on twitch. The video player of YouTube is way better and I think even the vod player of GOM was. And the new name is terrible too. I wonder if Artosis and Tasteless knew about this in advance and tried to prevent it. They are usually the ones who understand how silly most of these Korean name chances are.
i am sure the first thing a korean company does when they decide for a name change they ask their foreign employees about it.
That sucks, Twitch TV always lags for me, never had issue with GOM itself. I mean, I usually only watch the VODs, but even then Twitch sometimes acts up if it's a busy time At least it's cheaper, but I still wish they hadn't gone with Twitch.
Well, can't judge yet if this is going to be good for the viewers or not. Let's hope it's all for the better. Big changes are always risky so I don't think gomtv would be doing such a thing without considering it thoroughly first.
50USD for just high quality? That seems kinda steep to me considering twitch high is capped at what, 720p with just 1600bitrate and 30FPS? Like, that can be just half as good as source quality, no?
For someone who never watches live, only VODs, I hope they find a decent way to organize VODs on their Twitch channel. Watching WCS KR S2 OSL VODs on Twitch was painful; they were always in the wrong order and/or mislabeled. GOMTv's great spoiler-free VODs system was always my preferred method.
Switching to Twitch to save money will turn out to be more expensive than the alternative, given so many people will cancel their subscription in anticipation of the poor service of Twitch.
On December 04 2013 01:54 Yakikorosu wrote: GOMTv's great spoiler-free VODs system was always my preferred method.
This.
The price for me was always greatly due to how awesome the VOD pages were. Whereas on twitch it's utterly impossible to find a good VOD...
I'm fine with the Twitch streaming, but they should have their own VOD system using Twitch's videos.
i think they announced all of the videos will be on youtube.
Only the old ones from 2010 to 2012, new ones will be behind the pawall on Twitch. I hope they keep their indexing scheme on their own webpage, with links to the appropriate Twitch page, maybe? That way they could circumvent the absolutely shit VOD system of Twitch.
On December 04 2013 01:54 Yakikorosu wrote: GOMTv's great spoiler-free VODs system was always my preferred method.
This.
The price for me was always greatly due to how awesome the VOD pages were. Whereas on twitch it's utterly impossible to find a good VOD...
I'm fine with the Twitch streaming, but they should have their own VOD system using Twitch's videos.
i think they announced all of the videos will be on youtube.
Only the old ones from 2010 to 2012, new ones will be behind the pawall on Twitch. I hope they keep their indexing scheme on their own webpage, with links to the appropriate Twitch page, maybe? That way they could circumvent the absolutely shit VOD system of Twitch.
I also hope there's some sort of indexing system for the YouTube videos for the 2010 through 2012 seasons. It all sounds great, but we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of VODs... I hope they really will put ALL of the 2010-2012 VODs on YouTube, including Code A, U&D, the side tournaments (like AoL, etc). I have been catching up on 2011 GSL seasons I missed and was halfway through the 2011 October U&D. Now the videos are gone, replaced with a "this video will be on YouTube soon" message.
On December 04 2013 03:13 ThePhan2m wrote: Does this mean GomTV struggles with money? Since this seems like one move like that
This is what my gut tells me... I guess that it will be much cheaper to get the heavy lifting done by twitch.
I've been worried about GOM's future for a while, this may not be the best news in the world but it's not the worst either. After all, we will get more GOM tournaments with GOM production and casting and that is most important for me.
On December 04 2013 03:13 ThePhan2m wrote: Does this mean GomTV struggles with money? Since this seems like one move like that
This is what my gut tells me... I guess that it will be much cheaper to get the heavy lifting done by twitch.
I've been worried about GOM's future for a while, this may not be the best news in the world but it's not the worst either. After all, we will get more GOM tournaments with GOM production and casting and that is most important for me.
i think this mostly looks like a move to cut costs for some products that were expensive,and for which better alternatives existed.in the era of twitch,afreeca etc why would you have your own player if you can constantly get on the frotpage of twitch and get viewers from there.the small minority who probably purchased passes and downloaded vods was not worth it in the long run.
Bollocks. Twitch is about the worst streaming service out there, with YouTube's terrible, laggy servers and shit coding coming in at a close second. GomTV's streams were awesome because they offered free, high quality, zero lag streaming.
[rant] GOM sucked ass (I don't know, I think i reinstalled the player more than all windows versions since 1992). Twitch suck MAJOR ass, stop support for SmartTV (rlly, upgrading to newer flash supported means is quicker? ha); "Loading channel data" and that's it; multitwitch.tv stopped working on TV as well - countless problems. And stream freezes *always* on the most storm, or nuke, or 50 roaches, or something. Funny I don't recall such lags on Broodwar days. The technology, I suppose. Or maybe sockets changed drastically in the new mobile world.
On December 04 2013 02:58 SocialFox wrote: Did they already shut down all 2013 sc2 vods? I still have GSTL unfinished and I can't open any vods.
Having same problem. Anyone else? Maybe any news regarding them shutting down VODs? Flash Player, every driver works great on other sites, just GOMTV ones are blank (also checked their website no info regarding immediate shutting down VODs) - only World of Tanks works, but that doesn't cut it.
Didnt read all 12 pages but if they are gonna upload VOD's on their youtube account wont that make the VOD's free? Or is there a paywall for youtube aswell?
Ugh, twitch lags pretty hard for me at times while I found the Gom stream to be quite dependable. Pretty disappointed in this move IMO, twitch has too much of monopoly on streaming and has let their service become sloppy. I'd prefer to not support them if possible until they fix their shit.
On December 03 2013 11:25 ShowTheLights wrote: Gom streaming never lagged -.-
You must be trolling or not around for the early GSLs....... ;p
Oh yeah, I can back that one up. I cannot think of one host that I didn't have issues with. It happens from time to time. The amount of exposure I've had with Twitch though is ridiculous and that's why their technical issues are so prevalent when it comes to my experience with them. I don't like monopolies man.
On December 04 2013 04:21 ndesktop wrote: [rant] GOM sucked ass (I don't know, I think i reinstalled the player more than all windows versions since 1992). Twitch suck MAJOR ass, stop support for SmartTV (rlly, upgrading to newer flash supported means is quicker? ha); "Loading channel data" and that's it; multitwitch.tv stopped working on TV as well - countless problems. And stream freezes *always* on the most storm, or nuke, or 50 roaches, or something. Funny I don't recall such lags on Broodwar days. The technology, I suppose. Or maybe sockets changed drastically in the new mobile world.
I don't know about you, but Twitch works fine for me on my SmartTV with a DLNA server like Serviio. You can message me if you want instructions, I'd be happy to help you out with getting Twitch to work on your SmartTV.
I've had a Gom premium ticket for GSL and GSTL for 2 years. Another customer lost due to Twitch's poor performance in Europe. I hope the bandwidth savings are enough to make up for all of the lost subscriptions.
On December 04 2013 03:20 Mysticesper wrote: Well I know they had issues with people not wanting to / cannot install their GOM player on their computers.
Though they did remedy this with their own in-house streaming system, which seemed to work fine.
Twitch would get them more exposure though.
Unless they rebroadcast the matches at US/EU friendly times they will not get more exposure. The matches will still take place in the middle of the night in the US and early morning hours in EU. The VOD's will be behind paywalls and those curious tuning in LIVE will be greeted with fantastic "Medium" 480p quality.
I wish GOM well but, I do not see any growth in this strategy. I just see less subscribers in EU due to the move to Twitch even though it might save them some money. That'll be less EU's paying for the games, watching the games, and ultimately talking about the games. This feels like "our only choice" option. It'll be interesting to see the landscape in another year.
Oh god I just realized the worst part of this. They said they'd make 2010-2012 vods available via youtube and then using twitch starting next year right? Well that pretty much means that all the Intel Classic stuff and everything else that was available via gomtv.net from the pre sc2 time may be lost forever soon.
Medium quality on twitch is like 360p... And twitch is nearly unwatchable for me in northern europe. It stutters like crazy. I'd much rather prefer if they kept their independant stream instead of moving everything to twitch.
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
Then please, I encourage you not to support them. Show them that this not the way you want to consume SC2 content. Protest with your wallet.
It's what I'm doing, and will encourage others to do the same.
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
Then please, I encourage you not to support them. Show them that this not the way you want to consume SC2 content. Protest with your wallet.
It's what I'm doing, and will encourage others to do the same.
why would he not support them if he was agreeing with their decision to switch to twitchtv? are you even reading what he's saying
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
Then please, I encourage you not to support them. Show them that this not the way you want to consume SC2 content. Protest with your wallet.
It's what I'm doing, and will encourage others to do the same.
considering the state of korean sc2 i would really not suggest you start the blockade agains them.dota2 is growing in korea.its not like they are 100% dependent on sc2 anymore.besides the reason they renounced the videoplayer in the first place most likely means they were not making enough money from subscriptions to keep them online.
On December 04 2013 05:25 QCD wrote: awesome, so this means code S is FREE
Please actually read the announcement. It's only free if you watch the stream at around 480p. No thank you.
Only vods from 2010-2012 are free. If you want your current, high quality SC2 for free, GOM is not the place.
On December 04 2013 05:34 TJ31 wrote:
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
Then please, I encourage you not to support them. Show them that this not the way you want to consume SC2 content. Protest with your wallet.
It's what I'm doing, and will encourage others to do the same.
why would he not support them if he was agreeing with their decision to switch to twitchtv? are you even reading what he's saying
Did you even read his entire post?
On December 04 2013 05:34 TJ31 wrote: Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
On December 04 2013 05:25 QCD wrote: awesome, so this means code S is FREE
Please actually read the announcement. It's only free if you watch the stream at around 480p. No thank you.
Only vods from 2010-2012 are free. If you want your current, high quality SC2 for free, GOM is not the place.
On December 04 2013 05:34 TJ31 wrote:
On December 04 2013 05:25 Mo0rbid wrote: Medium quality on twitch is like 360p...
Should be 480p, at least on paper. But as we know, 720p/1080p on twitch or youtube is far from the real thing anyway.
And I like that decision. Gomplayer was terrible and even later, I couldn't watch HQ streams on GOM's site because it was stuttering like crazy, even downloading vods was painful (something like 1mb/s at best). While twitch works for me most of the time, I usually can watch multiple high/source streams just fine. Maybe it's time to support gom again, but not sure yet, I rarely can watch GSL live and I kinda don't bother watching VODs anymore...
Then please, I encourage you not to support them. Show them that this not the way you want to consume SC2 content. Protest with your wallet.
It's what I'm doing, and will encourage others to do the same.
considering the state of korean sc2 i would really not suggest you start the blockade agains them.dota2 is growing in korea.its not like they are 100% dependent on sc2 anymore.besides the reason they renounced the videoplayer in the first place most likely means they were not making enough money from subscriptions to keep them online.
Just because GOM's the biggest player in Korean SC2 does not mean I should support them in everything they do. That would give them a blank check on making mistakes. If they make decisions that lowers the quality of the experience, then people should respond accordingly, putting pressure on them to fix those mistakes. Hitting them in their numbers is the best way to do so. I will not support bad decisions. And I encourage others to do the same.
GOMTV, known as the global standard for eSports, will shift gears into GOM eXP which will specialize as an eSports and Game Contents Experts Group.
That gives me pause. Because it sounds like a positioning statement going from "people that produce content" to "people who provide consulting and services to people that produce content". It goes along with the name change, as well, where the new name sounds more like a knowledge/services company that knows what it does.
I don't foresee any change to the leagues and such immediately, but it does worry me a bit. I mean, if they lose support for a game from the publisher does that mean they will curtail or stop producing content for it? (Blizzard provides $$ and support, as does Wargaming.net (for WoT). Not sure about CS:GO, Dota2, or Sudden Attack, although it wouldn't surprise me if they also provided $$ support.)
I dunno, Kev. I just get a sense of foreboding. Maybe it's the slightly off corporate speak and new site, which seems more of a marketing showcase than a content showcase.
(Gomtv.net doesn't redirect there. That's reassuring. Also, ArtPylon for everyone.)
GOMTV, known as the global standard for eSports, will shift gears into GOM eXP which will specialize as an eSports and Game Contents Experts Group.
That gives me pause. Because it sounds like a positioning statement going from "people that produce content" to "people who provide consulting and services to people that produce content". It goes along with the name change, as well, where the new name sounds more like a knowledge/services company that knows what it does.
I don't foresee any change to the leagues and such immediately, but it does worry me a bit. I mean, if they lose support for a game from the publisher does that mean they will curtail or stop producing content for it? (Blizzard provides $$ and support, as does Wargaming.net (for WoT). Not sure about CS:GO, Dota2, or Sudden Attack, although it wouldn't surprise me if they also provided $$ support.)
I dunno, Kev. I just get a sense of foreboding. Maybe it's the slightly off corporate speak and new site, which seems more of a marketing showcase than a content showcase.
(Gomtv.net doesn't redirect there. That's reassuring. Also, ArtPylon for everyone.)
nexon provides all the money for dota2.i also have a feeling gom are sort of striding away from organizing esports tournaments to something more minor.dunno.maybe the esports scene in korea is not as big as everyone here likes to believe.there was also that company that was organizing mbc back in the bw days that switched to being a music station.also ogn and kespa like to drive their competitors out of business
@dabom88
well its your money so you do what you want with it but maybe the adverse effect might happen.maybe seeing all the negative reactions they might reconsider their involvement in sc2.
Well that was the final kick in my face from GOM this year. They have been awesome since the launch of SC2 but this year it was dissapointment after dissapointment. It was a good run but i am done with them.
I reciprocate the feelings of the majority here...
The GOM TV player and their VOD system worked like a gem!
Twitch TV on the other hand has yet to operate smoothly and without issue. I have subscribed to Twitch content containing VOD's in the past, and it has been nothing but a nightmare to navigate and locate specific VOD's - let alone be spoiled by the seemingly backward and random layout of said VOD's . Furthermore, Twitch VOD's require an absurd amount of time to buffer in HD (ultimately forcing me to view in a lower, watchable quality).
I have been a yearly subscriber over at GOM TV for the better part of 2 years now, and if Twitch doesn't make some major changes to correct their glaring issues, than I will unfortunately have to pass on the GSL subscription come 2014.
On December 04 2013 01:54 Yakikorosu wrote: GOMTv's great spoiler-free VODs system was always my preferred method.
This.
The price for me was always greatly due to how awesome the VOD pages were. Whereas on twitch it's utterly impossible to find a good VOD...
I'm fine with the Twitch streaming, but they should have their own VOD system using Twitch's videos.
i think they announced all of the videos will be on youtube.
Only the old ones from 2010 to 2012, new ones will be behind the pawall on Twitch. I hope they keep their indexing scheme on their own webpage, with links to the appropriate Twitch page, maybe? That way they could circumvent the absolutely shit VOD system of Twitch.
I also hope there's some sort of indexing system for the YouTube videos for the 2010 through 2012 seasons. It all sounds great, but we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of VODs... I hope they really will put ALL of the 2010-2012 VODs on YouTube, including Code A, U&D, the side tournaments (like AoL, etc). I have been catching up on 2011 GSL seasons I missed and was halfway through the 2011 October U&D. Now the videos are gone, replaced with a "this video will be on YouTube soon" message.
They can make playlists on youtube but yes, it is a lot of videos, you really need a good search engine if you want people to find it effectively.
wow gomtv committing suicide.. very sad, now gsl will be unwatchable and there will be no reason to buy the ticket cause you never will get more than 480p on twitch anyways so why bother..
On December 03 2013 15:21 peanutsfan1995 wrote: Gonna miss the old GOM VoD system. Definitely the best in the industry, spoiler free, easy to navigate. Wonder how this affects their relationship with the parent company?
I agree. Plus, they listened to feedback and applied it quickly.
I remember when ratings came out, I disliked it because it spoilered the series (if a favorite won, it got high ratings, if a favorite lost, it got really low ratings). After the feedback came, they made it so ratings were hidden by default.
They did a good job at listening to feedback. Going to miss their site for VoDs .
I remember watching streams from GOM from the lego dimension (reading supply numbers was impossible), and twitch buffering like mad, seems to me that regardless of what provider you use there will always be issues for some people. Will wait it out to see if situation improves.
Guess I won't be buying a years pass this year, twitch sucks ass, Wonder if that money saved on bandwidth will cover the inevitable decline in subscriptions over time. I'm thinking no.
so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
ok VODs are up now. Unsorted AND I can see how many sets were played per match. This is a HUGE step backward. I feel like it's 2010 all over again. Seriously I don't have any motivation do watch a match when I already know who won the whole thing at the time I see who won the first set.
Do they even care?! ...
there is much work to do. Hopefully they get their things together over at twitch. Isn't that hard, is it?
On December 03 2013 11:26 RaZorwire wrote: Awesome to have all of their vods more easily available, obviously.
Only for not EU people, Twitch VODs don't work proper for many people in EU (i have to buffer 5 mins for every min VOD at medium...but i can watch on medium or even high without problems, no VOD server in EU...)
On December 05 2013 01:01 Mortal wrote: so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
Honestly the only one i can see being a competition for twitch is if youtube starts pushing its streaming majorly and even then it will take some time.
On December 05 2013 01:01 Mortal wrote: so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
I remember uStream being used frequently early on in SC2's lifetime, and it was used again later for a KT vs SKT pre-Proleague SC2 showmatch. There must be issues with it if it isn't being used more.
On December 05 2013 01:01 Mortal wrote: so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
I remember uStream being used frequently early on in SC2's lifetime, and it was used again later for a KT vs SKT pre-Proleague SC2 showmatch. There must be issues with it if it isn't being used more.
ForGG uses Dailymotion I believe.
ForGG is on Millenium. Millenium is a French team. Daily Motion is the most popular service in France iirc.
There probably isn't much incentive to use Daily Motion if you aren't associated with an area where it's popular, like France.
I just wanted to start catching up on the VODs from the HotSix Cup, and Twitch won't even let me navigate toward GOM's channel without hiccups, it's that laggy. Now I got to the VOD and it takes ages to preload. Screw twitch - the monopoly they have is hurting game broadcasting. That both PS4 and Xbox One have a twitch integration from the get go certainly doesn't help
On December 05 2013 01:01 Mortal wrote: so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
Honestly the only one i can see being a competition for twitch is if youtube starts pushing its streaming majorly and even then it will take some time.
that's what i was afraid of. after the whole "horror" debacle, my faith in twitch is dwindling. (they handled horror somewhat after the fact, but that was still a fairly big clusterfuck).
On December 05 2013 01:01 Mortal wrote: so here's my question: i know own3d went bust, but what happened to the other 1-2 streaming services? they're sadly underused (they're probably awful- forgg was using one i believe), but i'm kind of fed up with twitch tbh. is there any realistic competition on the horizon that i'm missing?
Honestly the only one i can see being a competition for twitch is if youtube starts pushing its streaming majorly and even then it will take some time.
I go to the "more videos' page from Gomexp. I see carefully cut vods titled set1,set2,set3. Given that it's a bo5 format, and the first game was like decided after 5ish game minutes I was able to enjoy a tense 4 minutes before I knew who won the bo5.
The spoiler-filled VOD section is obviously terrible and this will completely fail if they don't fix it. I e-mailed gom support asking them to do so, I encourage all of you to do the same.
How cool is Twitch about refunds if they don't get their shit together? There's no way I'm going to suffer through an entire year of watching 1-2 games before automatically knowing who wins a series.
Ah that's a plan actually, I do like GOM and their customer service is usually good, but fucking hell Twitches VoD system is terrible. That and the lag...
On December 05 2013 05:39 anessie wrote: Wonderful
I go to the "more videos' page from Gomexp. I see carefully cut vods titled set1,set2,set3. Given that it's a bo5 format, and the first game was like decided after 5ish game minutes I was able to enjoy a tense 4 minutes before I knew who won the bo5.
Well played Gom, well played..
Seriously this type of thing bothers me so much with Vods. Even with the time seek bar, like I'm watching a TvZ for 3 minutes and it's already half over, guess I know the Terran's all in worked. I really wish they would just cut vods to be like an hour long always and not split things up into multiple videos or end the vod right when the last game is over. Or even better, just have an option to hide the seek bar.
On December 05 2013 04:03 Logikz wrote: I really enjoyed gom's vod viewing experience. Twitch is awful, I can't even watch vods on mobile. Not a fan of this change
I couldn't agree more. A sad day for me.
edit: I mailed a sad email to their customer support. Hopefully they read it and know they're about to lose a customer.
So it looks like I don't have a choice but to try to view 480p VODs that take ages to load, and are spoilered. Okay, fine, I'll do it since I want access to the content. But I can't even buy this ticket I'm not excited about, since apparently "Something isn't working properly" for Twitch. Anyone else having this problem?
Even though I paid for next year (I really only enjoy watching koreans play starcraft and gom is the sole wcs partner for next year afterall and I find 50 bucks to be a decent price if you imply that vods will get better and twitch will stop lagging), I also emailed them about this as I have been paying for gom for two and a half years now. If OGN would have been the wcs partner for 2014 I would have stopped being a gom customer for sure. Twitch is just so much worse. I actually liked downloading and using the gom player and I always went with their own web player over twitch when I still had the option, but to me the worst part is twitch's terrible vod system. I can't watch hotsix cup live tomorrow so I'll have to use them for the first time for gom and I already miss the old system (which was by far the best vod system I've ever used).
On December 05 2013 06:54 goofyballer wrote: The spoiler-filled VOD section is obviously terrible and this will completely fail if they don't fix it. I e-mailed gom support asking them to do so, I encourage all of you to do the same.
How cool is Twitch about refunds if they don't get their shit together? There's no way I'm going to suffer through an entire year of watching 1-2 games before automatically knowing who wins a series.
Twitch ist cool with refunds. Got mine after experiencing terrible lag, spoilers and a lot of rage ( ;-) )
No more GSL for me if they continue to use Twitch.
So just in case anybody wondered here is what is probably the automated standard responds most of us will get (I know so because they used the wrong first name in the email I got and then fixed it in a second email lol):
Although we value your feedback, we are going to proceed with broadcasting on TwitchTV for now.
As for the issue with the TwitchTV VODs, we recommend that you send a email to the TwitchTV Support Team regarding this matter so that we can, one day, bring you a better VOD management system.
We apologize for this inconvenience and thank you for your patience!
If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again!
Thank you and kind regards,
GOMTV.net Support Team
So we hear a "we'll work with twitch to improve vods", I get a "contact twitch over those". Btw the "issues" I mentioned are simply the spoiler related ones posted a lot in this thread. Oh well at least they responded quickly.
What pisses me off the most about the VOD's is that it would be so ridiculously easy to fix. I hope this ignoring the community thing will seriously backlash against twitch in the future. It also drives me nuts I'm going to pay for a service that sucks, to a company which I dislike, because there's no other (legal) way to get the VOD's.
Been a subscriber since after the open seasons. That would be 3 years now?
Anyway, I don't think I can justify the $50 unless they can bring the VOD system close to their previous level.
Being able to easily find the game I want in a spoiler free manner, possibly a week or two after the game had even been played, was perfect for me. But now... Ugh.
Hopefully we get a proper response from them before the end of the year.
Very sad news, GOM has been excellent and a nightly staple for me in the past years, I paid for everything and was well worth it
Just want to point out a few things -
1. I remember huge complaints about the quality of GOMTV and endless whinging about their vods and live games not being up to scratch, easily forgotten now, but worth remembering regarding the transition to Twitch
2. SC2 is on the decline, as much as we all hate it, companies that make a living off it have to adjust. I have noticed the decreasing numbers of views on GSTL and code A/S games. It was a subscription pay service yes, but their out-goings are massive - all the staff and commentator pay, prize money, studios, insurance, lighting, camera, tech equipment, hosting - they can't keep current model and go into a declining game, hence have to adapt
3. Adapting will involve certain language. GOM can't say "oh we're fucked, we have to drop SC2", they, as a company HAVE TO put positive spin on it always. No, it's not the end of the world. I tried Twitch there, yes the games are disjointed and the spoiler aspect is high, but it works.
If GOM would have doubled their prices to cover the declining audience then I would have gladly paid, however I understand that most gamers on a budget probably couldnt cover, so we just have to make the best of it. Enjoy what we have now, the great competitions, the big tourneys, the prize money - stop fucking whinging and just enjoy it, it most certainly isn't going to last forever, and one day it will end (when Starcraft 3 comes out hopefully)
1.) The spoiler system Gom had on their site was fantastic and it was very easy to move from game to game, set to set within a group. This is something that will be a disaster on Twitch. Not to mention Twitch has no way of organizing any Vods. They are just past broadcasts in one giant cesspool of Vods.
2.) How will past season VODs work? It looks like they are moving all past GSL seasons over to a new YouTube channel. Does that mean, as soon as the season ends, the VODs from the previous seasons will be free to watch? I'm guessing a subscription will not link between Twitch and YouTube. Seeing how the VODs are a disaster on Twitch, there is no way they can possibly store multiple GSLs all in the past broadcast section without it becoming a complete cluterfuck..
3.) No mobile VODs...
4.) I guess some people say Twitch lags, too...
It's great to hear Gom and Twitch are "in talks" about improving Twitch's crap to make this all possible, but is Twitch really going to bend over backwards just for Gom? I really hope this doesn't up being as big of a disaster as I think it will be considering the way Gom had progressed over the years, they had come up with a fairly elegant solution on their own website that included 720p VODs over the course of the past year.
God help us all.
Edit: That all being said, I'm still down for a subscription. Don't get me wrong, I'm In!
My God I forgot how fucking dreadful twitch chat is. Only saw it while alt tabbing in and out of full screen and STILL feel like I've lost brain cells.
Well, I tried to purchase a subscription last night but Twitch says I have a "hold" on my credit card and I need to contact my bank. What a joke, it clearly doesn't have a "hold" on it since I made several purchases with it today...
Aside from comparisons with GOM, why in the name of Zeus himself has Twitch not developed SOME form of VoD archiving system that is spoiler free/better organised?
On December 09 2013 06:59 NKexquisite wrote: Well, I tried to purchase a subscription last night but Twitch says I have a "hold" on my credit card and I need to contact my bank. What a joke, it clearly doesn't have a "hold" on it since I made several purchases with it today...
your dumb and dont understand internet banking.
Because you've made purchase's your bank is holding it to make sure it's actually you buying things, instead of someone with your credit card details.
Sign....I guess the economics make this necessary. But man is twitch awful. Here's to hoping that a cheaper price is worth the much cheaper, laggy, unreliable, spoiling, and generally poor experience that comes with twitch.
Doubt anything will change unless Twitch itself introduces another type of "Past Broadcasts" page with filters/search options and/or some anti-spoiler function.
GomExp won't do anything since twitch is not their own website.
I did notice GomExp did an effort by uploading some matches in one vod instead of seperate sets. If they would leave the break/cermony/interview in at the end of those longer pieces the outcome isn't directly spoiled by vod length.
Gosh I'm a huge fan of the GSTL. This past season, even though there were only five teams in the league, was still epic, especially with Innovation on the Axiom/Acer team. And I love the GOM English-speaking casters: Khaldor and Wolf, and Tastosis, of course. I could listen to those guys just shoot the breeze and talk about the e-sports scene generally.
I've followed Wolf over to the Kespa Proleague 2014 pre-season on Twitch. For $5.00, no sweat. The VODs are available on Youtube, but good luck watching them in order there. Could Kespa and GSL/GSTL ever combine forces completely?
I'm very sad that GOM-TV is morphing to GOMExp. I get why, but I do scratch my head about Tanks. My 13 year old is a meh SC2 fan, and he thinks Tanks is not nearly as fun to watch as SC2.
How can I watch 2011 vods like Arena of Legends 1? (GOM has removed all VODs from gomtv.net) Only 2012 is covered on the GOM eXP Youtube channel and very few special events actually have VODs on this.
Edit: Ok so apparently:
GOM eXP Official1 week ago
Hold your horses, it's coming! We are currently uploading from 2012 => 2010 We predict that everything will be up by the end of Jan 2014
So I can't even rewatch MarineKing's old glorious moments :'(
just bought a sub; even though there are issues with spoilers, at least they save the full 3-4 hr broadcast as one huge VOD in twitch which helps reduce the spoiler problem (perhaps they have only done this recently as im watching the most recent code s group). as a bonus, you get some of the trashy kpop videos at the start!
Edit: support esports and GOM; reading the comments above, it sounds like they are trying to keep sc2 alive!
On February 18 2014 14:26 Gen.Rolly wrote: just bought a sub; even though there are issues with spoilers, at least they save the full 3-4 hr broadcast as one huge VOD in twitch which helps reduce the spoiler problem (perhaps they have only done this recently as im watching the most recent code s group). as a bonus, you get some of the trashy kpop videos at the start!
Edit: support esports and GOM; reading the comments above, it sounds like they are trying to keep sc2 alive!
This site is pretty useful for watching GSL VODs without spoilers, though it's pretty sad that it takes a user to make one of these instead of GOM putting one up:
EPT
