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source: fomos.kr
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Nov 21st, 20:00 kst (21st 03:00 in pst), CJ entus and Evil Geniuses will have a show match.
Games will be played in Dream League Format (It's former kespa b-team league, and I have no idea how it was. Maybe GSTL format)
Hydra, herO, Effort, Skyhigh, and Sora will play for CJ, and OZ, JD, Alive, JYP, and Revival will for EG.
(Trot said JD will not play today due to a personal reason and he's actually playing)
It will be streamed on usteram and twitch.tv
Korean cast: http://ko.twitch.tv/cjentusteam
English cast: http://ko.twitch.tv/nathanias
Games:
game 1: Hydra vs Oz on Yeonsu
game 2: Effort vs Incontrol on Derelict Watcher
game 3: Skyhigh vs JYP on Frost
game 4: Sora vs Revival on Polar Night
game 5:Hero vs JD on Bel'Shir Vestige
game 6: tbd vs tbd
game 7: tbd vs tbd
game 8: tbd vs tbd
game 9: tbd vs tbd
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Vancouver14381 Posts
That's pretty cool. Could you provide an actual link for the source?
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On November 21 2013 14:10 JBright wrote:
That's pretty cool. Could you provide an actual link for the source?
It's hard to. Fomos website has a quite unique web system, and it does not provide a specific address. It's the newest article on the site btw.
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On November 21 2013 14:12 CutTheEnemy wrote:
how do we watch it?
Oops, I forgot that part.
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I bet Coach Park did this. Coach Park Effect
EDIT: well i completely fucked up that underline/italics combo
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On November 21 2013 14:18 TAMinator wrote:
I bet Coach Park did this. Coach Park Effect
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Is there a reason for the showmatch? Perhaps just for the exposure?
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On November 21 2013 14:18 TAMinator wrote:
I bet Coach Park did this. Coach Park Effect
EDIT: well i completely fucked up that underline/italics combo
ahaha close enough. And Coach Park according to his interviews seem to have been a major factor in all of the cool stuff CJ's been doing lately :D
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Thanks for putting it on the calendar 
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Aw, way too late for me to watch  .
EG probably has this, but definitely not a sure thing.
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Dream league is played in proleague format first, then the winners of the matches play in all-kill format. E.g. if team A wins 3 matches and team B wins 2 matches, the 3 winning players from team A will fight the 2 winning palyers from team B in AK.
Coach Park has the advantage, given that he knows the ins and outs of his old team, although it would be pretty embarassing if he lost
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sounds fun, i hope theres a vod
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Wow, that Dream League format looks interesting :o So the team that won the Proleague portion goes into the AK portion with an advantage? But only the AK portion decides who wins :o
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Caldeum1977 Posts
Wow interesting format, but too bad it's at 5am for me. Hopefully the games are good and they'll still be going when I wake up lol.
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I'm surprised with EG involved that this wasn't hyped much more.
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On November 21 2013 14:57 Bagration wrote:
I'm surprised with EG involved that this wasn't hyped much more.
Give InControl a little while to announce an announcement.
Or it's mostly for the Korean scene, so we won't get much on TL and the like.
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On November 21 2013 14:49 slowbacontron wrote:
Wow, that Dream League format looks interesting :o So the team that won the Proleague portion goes into the AK portion with an advantage? But only the AK portion decides who wins :o
Naw, it's a Bo9 where the first 5 are prolegue style and last 4 games are AK.
Edit: actually you have me confused now with the caveat that AK is only played with the winners from the Proleague half of things.
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![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1385005505_1.jpg)
"이제동과 김준호의 만남 성사?
CJ 엔투스가 21일, 오후 8시부터 북미의 강호인 이블 지니어스(이하 EG)와 스타크래프트2 이벤트 매치를 진행한다. 앞서 진에어, SK텔레콤과 이벤트 매치를 펼쳤던 CJ 엔투스는 드림 리그 형식의 팀매치와 더불어 팀배틀로 풍성한 볼거리를 제공한다.
트위치TV와 유스트림을 통해 생중계 되는 이번 이벤트 매치에는 총 10명의 선수가 출전한다. CJ 엔투스의 신동원, 김준호, 김정우, 조병세, 김정훈이 로스터에 명단을 올렸고, EG에서는 김학수, 이제동, 한이석, 박진영, 김동현이 출전을 기다리고 있다.
한편 다양한 이벤트 매치를 통해 비 시즌 동안 좋은 반응을 이끌어 내고 있는 CJ 엔투스에서는 오는 27일과 28일, IEM 싱가포르 출전을 위해 김정우-CJ 프로스트가 출국할 예정이다.
조아라 기자 sseal@fomos.co.kr
포모스와 함께 즐기는 e스포츠, 게임 그 이상을 향해!
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Translation from me :D
CJ Entus, on 21st, at 8 P.M., will face North America's strongest, EG in Starcraft 2. As played with SK Telecom, CJ Entus will play with dream match format and team battle format.
Through Twitch TV and U Stream(?), there will be 10 players playing. Hydra, herO, Effort, Skyhigh, and Sora will play for CJ, and OZ, JD, Alive, JYP, and Revival will for EG.
On the other side, as CJ Entus offered various events, CJ's effort will be playing at IEM Singapore on 27th and 28th.
And copy right stuff and the reporter.
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On November 21 2013 15:19 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 14:49 slowbacontron wrote:
Wow, that Dream League format looks interesting :o So the team that won the Proleague portion goes into the AK portion with an advantage? But only the AK portion decides who wins :o Naw, it's a Bo9 where the first 5 are prolegue style and last 4 games are AK. Edit: actually you have me confused now with the caveat that AK is only played with the winners from the Proleague half of things.
What I meant was it seems that whoever does better in the Proleague portion gets to use more players in the AK portion but the AK portion decides the ultimate victor, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds cool, I've never seen it before.
thanks for the translations egernya and timkim!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 21 2013 15:32 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:19 Wuster wrote:On November 21 2013 14:49 slowbacontron wrote:
Wow, that Dream League format looks interesting :o So the team that won the Proleague portion goes into the AK portion with an advantage? But only the AK portion decides who wins :o Naw, it's a Bo9 where the first 5 are prolegue style and last 4 games are AK. Edit: actually you have me confused now with the caveat that AK is only played with the winners from the Proleague half of things. What I meant was it seems that whoever does better in the Proleague portion gets to use more players in the AK portion but the AK portion decides the ultimate victor, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds cool, I've never seen it before. thanks for the translations egernya and timkim!
Only players that win during the first 5 sets are allowed to play in the AK portion. I've always liked this format.
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I like it. Less emphasis on super-aces than all-kill format, but more emphasis than proleague format.
I'll likely check this out if there's an English cast.
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This format is awesome! I'll try to stay awake~
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On November 21 2013 15:31 TimKim0713 wrote:
CJ Entus, on 21st, at 8 P.M., will face North America's strongest
They're playing against 5 koreans  , if only stephano was still around to 4 kill them then lose. At least that way the statement wouldn't be so ludicrous.
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Coach Park best coach best park
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On November 21 2013 16:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:31 TimKim0713 wrote:
CJ Entus, on 21st, at 8 P.M., will face North America's strongest They're playing against 5 koreans , if only stephano was still around to 4 kill them then lose. At least that way the statement wouldn't be so ludicrous.
are we still doing the Stephano USAUSA thing?
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I guess people have to find a new most-bland-proleague-team. Gonna be hard, thanks Park.
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You got to give Coach Park props for giving his team something to do and increasing their visibility in the pro-scene!
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On November 21 2013 16:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:31 TimKim0713 wrote:
CJ Entus, on 21st, at 8 P.M., will face North America's strongest They're playing against 5 koreans , if only stephano was still around to 4 kill them then lose. At least that way the statement wouldn't be so ludicrous.
They're playing an American team though, much like when Fanatic play anything (even CSS when they have allk Swedish players it's still an English team).
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On November 21 2013 14:57 Bagration wrote:
I'm surprised with EG involved that this wasn't hyped much more.
Incontrol made an announcement of the upcoming hype.
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Woah just found out about this. Looks like this will be alot of fun and the format seems cool. Was thinking that now would be a good time to finish that book but I guess it wasnt meant to be
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Is that Sora streaming now then, on http://www.twitch.tv/cjentusteam?
EDIT: Ha! If you leave the question mark there it still works, but the URL includes the question mark.
EDIT: Ah, yeah, it's Trot.
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(Trot said JD will not play today due to a personal reason and he's actually playing)
hahah that was great :D
Looking forward to this! Haven't seen much from CJ Entus for a while
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Will there only be a korean stream for this?
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On November 21 2013 16:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:31 TimKim0713 wrote:
CJ Entus, on 21st, at 8 P.M., will face North America's strongest They're playing against 5 koreans , if only stephano was still around to 4 kill them then lose. At least that way the statement wouldn't be so ludicrous.
Incontrol isn't Korean!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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This will be the first time I get to see Sora play, I've heard a lot of good things about him, will be interesting to see how he does.
Also, looks like the DDOS battalion is out in full force, awesome.
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Time for the cannon rushing!
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Incontrol's got this. Effort won't have seen such next level cannon rushing.
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I am disappoint that he cannon rushes wrong
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effort's 697 APM defeats all cannons
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On November 21 2013 20:26 Mangooze wrote:
Great game.
5/5
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its a showmatch/preseason. Did he really feel that this was the best time to practice his canon rushing?
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Well this has been kind of an inauspicious start. It's up to Jaedong to save the world, as always. He's already done it like twice before breakfast, so we should be ok.
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On November 21 2013 20:27 Squat wrote:
Well this has been kind of an inauspicious start. It's up to Jaedong to save the world, as always. He's already done it like twice before breakfast, so we should be ok.
Save the kong, save the world.
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On November 21 2013 20:24 Heartland wrote:
I am disappoint that he cannon rushes wrong
If there is one thing he should have been able to master by now, it would be cannon rushing. It's kind of like watching the roadrunner trip over his own feet.
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skyhigh is one very brave dude
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On November 21 2013 20:39 Fjodorov wrote:
skyhigh is one very brave dude
That oracle defense was so sexy
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the color of JYP zealots makes them look like hallucinations ^^
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Jyp playing quite well so far. More workers, 33 with templar tech at 15 is pretty ok. Needs to get a third, though.
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Who played the first game?
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Choo choo train is about to get choo chewed apart.
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Very good game by JYP, gotta say! Entertaining
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On November 21 2013 20:49 NarutO wrote:
Who played the first game?
Effort vs Incontrol, because Oz had some internet issues so they couldn't play that game first as planned.
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On November 21 2013 20:49 NarutO wrote:
Who played the first game?
I will just quote myself and guess Oz game was dropped due to technical difficulties and EffOrt beat iNcontrol?
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On November 21 2013 20:51 Keeemy wrote:Effort vs Incontrol, because Oz had some internet issues so they couldn't play that game first as planned.
yes, figured out by myself, thank you ! you were faster to answer xD
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Haha I was going to answer right when you first asked but thought someone else would be faster. But yeah, Incontrol had shitty ping/lag and he tried to cannon rush. It failed and the game was over (+ Effort managed to slip 4 lings into Incontrol's main to make it worse)
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United States97276 Posts
So wait iNcontroL just went for a cannon rush in his game?
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On November 21 2013 21:01 Shellshock wrote:
So wait iNcontroL just went for a cannon rush in his game?
Yeah, without much flair either. Then he died to a ling runby
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Welp, Revival got smacked down hard
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At first I was worried for Sora because he decided to not take advantage of the nat being built super far away and letting Revival get away with setting up his economy. There where also times when his army was tiny and looked vulnerable. But then Revival also gave Sora all the time he needed to crank out the Colossus and Voids.
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I still have no idea why zergs think they can fight that composition with lair tech. The only way to beat that army is a massive muta switch or swarm host turtle. If you scout robo and more than 1 stargate, go hive or go home basically.
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I miss Sora's match.
By the way, did Sora join the A-team since his WCG run ?
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On November 21 2013 21:09 Aeromi wrote:I miss Sora's match. By the way, did Sora join the A-team since his WCG run ?
You didn't miss much unfortunately, it was quite passive play into a couple of skirmishes into one big death push.
Not sure if he joined their A-team, but he seems to be getting a lot more spotlight, could be a good sign.
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On November 21 2013 21:14 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Who vs Who now?
JD vs herO according to the schedule.
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On November 21 2013 21:11 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 21:09 Aeromi wrote:I miss Sora's match. By the way, did Sora join the A-team since his WCG run ? You didn't miss much unfortunately, it was quite passive play into a couple of skirmishes into one big death push. Not sure if he joined their A-team, but he seems to be getting a lot more spotlight, could be a good sign.
Ok, thanks !
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I missed skyHigh's game. Did he win, how did he do :s?
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United States97276 Posts
sKyHigh lost to JYP but I didn't see anything except the end and he was already down like 40 supply going into the engagement so he was crushed
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On November 21 2013 21:16 invisible.terran wrote:
I missed skyHigh's game. Did he win, how did he do :s?
JYP went for a delayed oracle. But skyHigh had superb map awareness and took minimum losses from it.
JYP transitioned into chargelot, archon with 2/2, sOs esque with delayed 3rd. skyHigh tried to pressure but didn't do any damage.
JYP pushes and kills a lot of SCVs from the nat of skyHigh, but loses a lot of his army on the retreat.
skyHigh snipes JYP's 3rd but 3/3 and Storm finish, JYP, starts getting aggressive, does some storm drops on the army of sky high, then he wrecks the 3rd and eventually finishes him off.
Ok, looks like the school of CJ Entus has take note of sOs's exploits, I recognize a lot of his elements in the their builds, and I saw some of it being displayed by JYP too.
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On November 21 2013 21:15 Shellshock wrote:CJ  vs EG  should be herO vs. Jaedong now
Okay, got it.
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You CANNNOT fight this with lair tech, ugh, I'm so fucking tired of watching zergs do this every game. It's just giving the game away, JD is dead now anyway, but he could have won this.
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Hmm.. without commentator, I am quite lost.
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On November 21 2013 21:25 Squat wrote:
You CANNNOT fight this with lair tech, ugh, I'm so fucking tired of watching zergs do this every game. It's just giving the game away, JD is dead now anyway, but he could have won this.
He didn't scout the third stargate. His overseer narrowly missed it.
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That composition of herO is ridiculously vulnerable to SH, if JD had gone for them instead of trowing away 2 hydra armies, then he'd have probably been able to contain and bleed herO out eventually. Or at the very least he would have had a stronger chance.
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Hey. Could somebody please post all the matchups with the winner? OP must be false somehow because I just saw game 5:Hero vs JD on Bel'Shir Vestige but after Hero won the score is now EG 1 - 3 CJ.
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On November 21 2013 21:25 Squat wrote:
You CANNNOT fight this with lair tech, ugh, I'm so fucking tired of watching zergs do this every game. It's just giving the game away, JD is dead now anyway, but he could have won this.
Should tell JD, he'll appreciate the tips!
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On November 21 2013 21:28 Benz0 wrote:
Hey. Could somebody please post all the matchups with the winner? OP must be false somehow because I just saw game 5:Hero vs JD on Bel'Shir Vestige but after Hero won the score is now EG 1 - 3 CJ.
Oz vs Hydra didn't play because Oz had some problems.
Matches where:
effort vs InControl
skyHigh vs JYP
Sora vs Revival
herO vs Jaedong
I think now they are going to resume the Oz vs Hydra game.
Edit: Damn NarutO, how can you be so quick?
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If iNcontroL is playing, why does the OP say that aLive is, instead? I'm so confused at what's going on here x.x
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On November 21 2013 21:27 Destructicon wrote:
That composition of herO is ridiculously vulnerable to SH, if JD had gone for them instead of trowing away 2 hydra armies, then he'd have probably been able to contain and bleed herO out eventually. Or at the very least he would have had a stronger chance.
Yes, SH is the only zerg ground composition that works against this. If JD had just played a super defensive, patient style on 4 bases with mass spores and vipers to support the hosts, he was almost guaranteed to win that. Instead he made 2 huge wet-paper armies that just disintegrated and lost. It's like some collective zerg mental block which causes them to think they can fight high tech protoss armies on the ground with stuff that is just mathematically inferior.
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On November 21 2013 21:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
If iNcontroL is playing, why does the OP say that aLive is, instead? I'm so confused at what's going on here x.x
Maybe aLive will play later on, hopefully.
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Thank you very much NarutO and Destruction. Btw NarutO I was very happy when I read youre going to commentate on the german stream at the ASUS ROG Greetz from readmore.de
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On November 21 2013 21:38 Benz0 wrote:Thank you very much NarutO and Destruction. Btw NarutO I was very happy when I read youre going to commentate on the german stream at the ASUS ROG Greetz from readmore.de
:-) Thanks! I am happy as well^_^!
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Oh I didn't even know that, congrats NarutO!
Hopefully now Oz manages to fix his internet.
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In my opinion its incomprehensible why Oz didnt get any protection from DDoS after the recent problems on the Dailymotion Cup. Of course that is not an excuse for the silly act of DDoSing a progamer. But as long as the problem exists the progamers should try to be safe from it. And apparently it is not to hard to be safe, at least according to this reddit post and the article on Destiny's blog.
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PvZ used to be JYP's specialty MU, I haven't seen him in ages so I'm genuinely curious as to how he can perform in it now a days.
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This game probably represents the epitome of all that Protoss hates about PvZ, mass Swarm Hosts and Mass Mutas.
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So, when JYP ggs, this is over, right?
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That was worthy of a showmatch :D
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Northern Ireland25932 Posts
Effort with swarm hosts and a monster muta switch. Every Protoss here probably feels JYP's pain
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Yeah this should be over now but idk if they play more just for entertainment.
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On November 21 2013 22:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Effort with swarm hosts and a monster muta switch. Every Protoss here probably feels JYP's pain
I feel his pain and I don't even play Protoss.
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On November 21 2013 22:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Effort with swarm hosts and a monster muta switch. Every Protoss here probably feels JYP's pain
If only there was something else zerg could do. Those are the go to strategies now, because unlike other strats, they, well, work.
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Northern Ireland25932 Posts
Swarm hosts really are an idea that didn't really work out lol.
Sigh, why would somebody DDos Oz? :s
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I hope they play more games just for fun.
I want to see a lot more stuff, hopefully a TvZ between aLive and maybe Hydra.
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Swarm hosts are basically the zerg version of force fields, boring, frustrating to watch and play against and fundamentally poorly designed, yet completely indispensable because the race cannot function without them.
This is the new meta, muta base trade or sh turtle, 6 months from now this will likely be what 90% of PvZ looks like.
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On November 21 2013 22:19 Squat wrote:
Swarm hosts are basically the zerg version of force fields, boring, frustrating to watch and play against and fundamentally poorly designed, yet completely indispensable because the race cannot function without them.
This is the new meta, muta base trade or sh turtle, 6 months from now this will likely be what 90% of PvZ looks like.
I kind of feel like SH based play is very map dependent, so on the positive side you can kind of phase that out with maps, you could more or less do that with mutas too. The bad part is, if you put too many restrictions on maps and map makers you tend to end up with really, really boring maps.
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Yeah, pretty much exactly like force fields, every map has to be designed with them in mind, and now SH needs to be taken into account as well. The map making restrictions will become rather severe. As it is right now, zerg could never win against a high tech protoss army in a direct engagement without SH, so we can't nerf or remove them.
We could try to do that if we significantly buffed the other zerg option, which is muta basetrade, but I have a feeling that would not be very well received. Ugh, I just wish zerg could actually play like zerg and have it work. I don't want to turtle for 30 mins every game vs protoss, that's not why I play this race.
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Northern Ireland25932 Posts
Muta basetrade is even more frustrating to play against lol.
I wish a few things were the case with Zerg:
Mutas were more microable, but less damn fast/regening. 10 Mutalisks should be more potent than they are, 30+ mutalisks should be less potent.
Protoss were less able to just turtle and get a really strong maxout on 3 bases
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On November 21 2013 22:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Swarm hosts really are an idea that didn't really work out lol.
Sigh, why would somebody DDos Oz? :s
I don't know but it happened yesterday in a CSGO tournament... really annoying and so stupid. Who puts in the effort to sabotage esports and what does he get out of it?
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The exponential scaling of mutas and relative ease with which protoss can max out with a good army comp are definitely two of the biggest problems with ZvP.
SH and FF are problems too, but not really touchable in their current state. If only they'd let us come over to the blizzard HQ Wombat, we'd have everything sorted before lunch.
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Northern Ireland25932 Posts
I doubt it, after lunch maybe. Wombats don't work efficiently on empty stomachs.
I dislike the DDoSing of anyone, but at least if it's someone controversial you can posit a reason. Perhaps DarkLordOli my fellow HerO fanboy is punishing Oz for his temerity in defeating our beloved HerO?
Is that us for the day or are they playing out the rest of the matches?
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Austria24422 Posts
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard
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On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard
They're comparable because they restrict map making, are badly designed and frustrating, yet completely necessary. Obviously their actual functionality in the game is not the same, yet they overlap in terms of purpose and effect on the game, i.e. they both make it worse.
SH can be circumvented and broken through as well, though again that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
I have never made any secret of hating both SH and FF, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that. If you're going to refute what I'm saying, fine, but at least address the argument and don't just throw out some cheap barb of "you just don't like them".
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On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard
I hate the term free units, that is like saying a tempest has free attacks, what does free units even mean here?
Btw i don't like the design of sh, but "free units" is misleading no?
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On November 21 2013 23:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard I hate the term free units, that is like saying a tempest has free attacks, what does free units even mean here? Btw i don't like the design of sh, but "free units" is misleading no?
They're map entities...that you control and attack with...that spawn for free...that must be fought and defeated to break through...
What else do you want to call them?
(And your example is way off. Every unit in the game has "free attacks" because there's nothing that costs per attack like the Reaver used to.)
Honestly I feel that the muta transition is the more annoying part of it, not the swarmhosts themselves. Mutas require very, very specific responses from a Protoss to deal with en masse. And they get insanely strong in large numbers.
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On November 21 2013 23:12 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 23:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard I hate the term free units, that is like saying a tempest has free attacks, what does free units even mean here? Btw i don't like the design of sh, but "free units" is misleading no? They're map entities...that you control and attack with...that spawn for free...that must be fought and defeated to break through... What else do you want to call them? (And your example is way off. Every unit in the game has "free attacks" because there's nothing that costs per attack like the Reaver used to.) Honestly I feel that the muta transition is the more annoying part of it, not the swarmhosts themselves. Mutas require very, very specific responses from a Protoss to deal with en masse. And they get insanely strong in large numbers.
They spawn for free after you created a unit that does nothing than spawning them.
I get what you guys say, but it is essentially the same as attacks (only worse in low numbers and better in big numbers).
If you watch the locusts as attacks from the sh (what they are) you have the option to destroy up to 100% of the dps if you have the right army, that is something that is special in this game i think
I used the Tempest cause he has a big range aswell, the difference is that one Tempest will always do dmg, one sh won't.
The only problem with SH are big numbers of them ON SPECIFIC maps, the free units are only "free" if they are enough to do something, that is the big difference to other "long range" units.
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On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard
Of course not, the search for the culprit continues!
It's nothing to do with the 'free units' that annoy me about the SH. They are part of it mind.
It's that it's so clearly they looked at the Lurker, didn't just include the Lurker (with some tweaks for SC2) and made something like the lurker, intended to fulfil similar roles that just doesn't.
1 or 2 swarm hosts should be able to be burrowed in expos, on ramps and act as deterrents for things like Zealot runbys, but they don't do anything at all in such small numbers. What do you get when a unit is slow, has high DPS potential, high range and is only good when it hits a critical mass, and needs babysat? A unit that far from encouraging space control in strategic locations, with small numbers of SH in defensive positions, is FAR better used with the turtle/static D combination.
That they spawn units isn't a big deal vP, but is a bit of a pain for Terran as they set off mines and tank siege tank splash etc, but that's not inherently bad I guess.
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On November 21 2013 23:34 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:
SH and forcefields can't even be compared. Forcefields are not free, they're an ability and can be circumvented, broken through, etc. Locusts are free units. What. You're just making the comparison because you don't like either design.
Also wth, I would never harm the wizard Of course not, the search for the culprit continues! It's nothing to do with the 'free units' that annoy me about the SH. They are part of it mind. It's that it's so clearly they looked at the Lurker, didn't just include the Lurker (with some tweaks for SC2) and made something like the lurker, intended to fulfil similar roles that just doesn't. 1 or 2 swarm hosts should be able to be burrowed in expos, on ramps and act as deterrents for things like Zealot runbys, but they don't do anything at all in such small numbers. What do you get when a unit is slow, has high DPS potential, high range and is only good when it hits a critical mass, and needs babysat? A unit that far from encouraging space control in strategic locations, with small numbers of SH in defensive positions, is FAR better used with the turtle/static D combination. That they spawn units isn't a big deal vP, but is a bit of a pain for Terran as they set off mines and tank siege tank splash etc, but that's not inherently bad I guess.
I think you have good points overall but Blizzard said from the get go that sh are designed to push your advantage in closing out games. They aren't designed for space control at all.
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Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x.
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On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x.
Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing.
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Thank you based Coach Park
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On November 22 2013 01:46 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x. Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing.
Yea so fun seeing incontrol playing like a bad platinum dude. I mean If I want to see that I just go ladder and watch my replay. On this case this is just useless. Let real player plays plz. CJ dont send Effort little sister to play, it is actually Effort.
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On November 22 2013 02:00 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 01:46 Bagration wrote:On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x. Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing. Yea so fun seeing incontrol playing like a bad platinum dude. I mean If I want to see that I just go ladder and watch my replay. On this case this is just useless. Let real player plays plz. CJ dont send Effort little sister to play, it is actually Effort.
don't exaggerate. he's better than you ever will be.
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On November 22 2013 02:02 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:00 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 01:46 Bagration wrote:On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x. Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing. Yea so fun seeing incontrol playing like a bad platinum dude. I mean If I want to see that I just go ladder and watch my replay. On this case this is just useless. Let real player plays plz. CJ dont send Effort little sister to play, it is actually Effort. don't exaggerate. he's better than you ever will be.
Of course I exagerate :/, just saying theres other player that needs to level up instead of incontrol. This guy just out of progaming and more a caster now (a good one). And demu/suppy/Xeno could have a good practice in a cool showmatch with not much pressure.
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EffOrt vs InConTroL OMG LOL I have to see this!!!
EDIT : Not because any negative reason, just they both played BW and i'd like to see how this game pans out!
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As a player and caster, InControl is great! But, I just don't know why he was playing when there are other foreign EG players who could played. Well, I guess this was a good chance to play professionally, which he really wants to (if you check his MLG 2011 interview)
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On November 22 2013 02:00 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 01:46 Bagration wrote:On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x. Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing. Yea so fun seeing incontrol playing like a bad platinum dude. I mean If I want to see that I just go ladder and watch my replay. On this case this is just useless. Let real player plays plz. CJ dont send Effort little sister to play, it is actually Effort.
AHHHH, the ignorance. I think what this guy meant to say was iNcontroL is ~top40 GM and about a thousand times better than I'll ever be. You're welcome SinO 
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On November 22 2013 16:00 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:00 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 01:46 Bagration wrote:On November 22 2013 01:30 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Hmmm that choice of incontrol, I dont get it when you have Demu/Suppy/Xeno. Even if its showmatch playing vs CJ is a good practice. And incontrol isnt rly a progamer anymore :x. Well it is a showmatch, and it's fun to see Incontrol playing. Yea so fun seeing incontrol playing like a bad platinum dude. I mean If I want to see that I just go ladder and watch my replay. On this case this is just useless. Let real player plays plz. CJ dont send Effort little sister to play, it is actually Effort. AHHHH, the ignorance. I think what this guy meant to say was iNcontroL is ~top40 GM and about a thousand times better than I'll ever be. You're welcome SinO
Yep, sometimes it's just hard to get your message across :D
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