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Fire and Ice: TaeJa and HerO - Road to Blizzcon #13 - Page 6

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Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 22:47:14
November 07 2013 22:43 GMT
#101
For me this is the weakest article so far, right after MC's (which didn't really do MC justice).

But that may just be because I would have preferred two separate articles.
The whole fire and ice thing is a bit weak as well. Would have been far more elegant to go with the summer and fall theme...

Anyway these articles as a whole are still awesome and have me really looking forward to the first games.
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
November 07 2013 22:48 GMT
#102
The double headed dragon, may you sweep Blizzcon!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 22:53:44
November 07 2013 22:52 GMT
#103
On November 08 2013 07:22 Aunvilgod wrote:
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but neither has won THE single championship that commands the most respect in the world. That one championship used to be Code S, but in a world re-ordered by the WCS system it can only be the WCS Grand Finals.


Now that is just absolute bullshit. GSL is still the hardest tournament by far.


I disagree. To even get here would likely require some high-level consistency in multiple tournaments.

Then you're up against 15 others who are likely of similar caliber with bo5+ the entire way through from the ro16? I'd absolutely hold the Blizzcon champ in higher esteem than a gsl champ.
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Neazbo
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom698 Posts
November 07 2013 22:52 GMT
#104
Awesome job
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
November 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#105
good read DLO


HEROOOOOO
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 07 2013 22:57 GMT
#106
Hero vs Taeja finals. Calling it now!
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 07 2013 22:58 GMT
#107
don't get me wrong, I love taeja so much, but i hate how people say that taeja was like a hardcore fan pick before liquid. he had already made his name with ro4 code a, and going into code s, and 2 GSTL allkills ALL before he even joined liquid. It just feels like people disregard the amount of work slayers' put into him, and that's really sad because the biggest reason he wins anything today is that eye of boxer picking him up

can i get my estro logo back pls
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
November 07 2013 22:59 GMT
#108
On November 08 2013 07:57 astray71 wrote:
Hero vs Taeja finals. Calling it now!


no ty, don't want another 4-0 sweep D:
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#109
Shoulda talked about Taeja's bullshit run through IPTL, it was something crazy like 25-2 against top Korean teams. That's where the Summer of Taeja really started.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 23:13:51
November 07 2013 23:12 GMT
#110
On November 08 2013 07:58 aRyuujin wrote:
don't get me wrong, I love taeja so much, but i hate how people say that taeja was like a hardcore fan pick before liquid. he had already made his name with ro4 code a, and going into code s, and 2 GSTL allkills ALL before he even joined liquid. It just feels like people disregard the amount of work slayers' put into him, and that's really sad because the biggest reason he wins anything today is that eye of boxer picking him up


That's a bit of a stretch, considering he was always playing from home and had no salary on Slayers. It wouldn't be hard for a player of his talents to find suitable practice anyway (NEX players practiced together anyway).

Neither team really put much "work" into him when it comes to actual in-game performance, let alone so much to be "the biggest reason he wins anything today". He mostly soloed it all the way. Results-wise it's his teams that benefited from having him a lot more than the other way around.

Again, this is mostly related to in-game performance and result-wise. Obviously Liquid puts a lot of resources into paying him and flying him around, and Slayers gave him his first real offline spotlight. They've given him the opportunity to play, but his performance is his own doing (like most players in SC2 anyway).
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 23:16:53
November 07 2013 23:15 GMT
#111
On November 08 2013 08:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Shoulda talked about Taeja's bullshit run through IPTL, it was something crazy like 25-2 against top Korean teams. That's where the Summer of Taeja really started.

Meanwhile, the online IPL Team Arena had become a massacre with entire teams falling to TaeJa alone.

no mention of his 23-3 record though D:

Edit: IPTL is different, but he's 6-6 there.
jjakji fan
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 07 2013 23:18 GMT
#112
All I care about in this tournament is Taeja and Hero. Gogo!
Try another route paperboy.
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
November 07 2013 23:24 GMT
#113
The leaves are falling again, temperatures are low. It won't be long now.


Really well written I'm so hyped now !
There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things you love. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 07 2013 23:38 GMT
#114
On November 08 2013 06:53 YoloSwaggins wrote:
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The word was spreading across the eSports world that a new dragon had been found. There had been tales of dragons in an ancient game, one of which, a being called Bisu, had once terrorized the world with fearsome harass, micro like none had seen before and a strategic eye that was unparalleled. It wasn't long before the community drew the comparison. "Mini-Bisu" they called him, which roughly translates to "Handsome Toss".


Nice little hype writeup, but this paragraph borders ridiculousness;) Micro that nobody has seen and strategic eye that was unparalelled... simply not true. He played(plays) a flashy style with good micro and multitasking, and that's it. Also, who really called him mini-bisu? he looks nothing like bisu and isn't similar to him in any way, not even playstyle wise. Honestly, the frequent warp prism usage existed in the scene by whitera and sase earlier than the time hero was around, they didn't play as high level as him though that's for sure.

Another point I would make is that Taeja when liquid signed up, had the most ridiculous win streak in korean weeklies. can't find the correct liquipedia article, but it was the most ridiculously stacked online tournament ever, full of code s+a koreans, and taeja was the bonjwa of that league, winning like 5 or 6 of them. basically everyone knew that he was champion material by the time he got acquired by TL. while the article doesn't directly contradict this, basically the only thing TL did for him was to give him money to travel to tournaments and win them, so nothing miraculous happened there.

Also, the fire/cold theme is not fitting for their personalities at all, only to the seasons they were successful in 2012. In truth Hero is very emotional (warm) and taeja doesn't show much more personality than Innovation or Alive. he is not exactly cold but not hot either. these themes aren't really nails hit on the head



You obviously haven't been keeping up with Hero since he first joined Liquid... Go watch Day9 Daily #349. Day9 explains it quite nicely.

As for Taeja, he won 6 out of 7 ESV Korean weeklies, but when he left SlayerS, Liquid was the only one that tried to sign him. Everyone knew he had talent, but no one else attempted to pick him up. Even Nazgul said it (I think it was in Liquid Rising but not sure) that Taeja was the biggest acquisition in skill because Liquid's philosophy was to help people with talent flourish.

Fire and ice is just something to sound cool and it's only used to hype them up so I don't understand why you're so touchy on it. Perhaps you would have preferred "Team Taeja" and "Team Hero"?
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
November 07 2013 23:53 GMT
#115
[image loading]


I am hoping for either of them to do very well.
YoloSwaggins
Profile Joined November 2013
Austria236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 00:04:36
November 07 2013 23:58 GMT
#116
On November 08 2013 08:38 astray71 wrote:
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On November 08 2013 06:53 YoloSwaggins wrote:
The word was spreading across the eSports world that a new dragon had been found. There had been tales of dragons in an ancient game, one of which, a being called Bisu, had once terrorized the world with fearsome harass, micro like none had seen before and a strategic eye that was unparalleled. It wasn't long before the community drew the comparison. "Mini-Bisu" they called him, which roughly translates to "Handsome Toss".


Nice little hype writeup, but this paragraph borders ridiculousness;) Micro that nobody has seen and strategic eye that was unparalelled... simply not true. He played(plays) a flashy style with good micro and multitasking, and that's it. Also, who really called him mini-bisu? he looks nothing like bisu and isn't similar to him in any way, not even playstyle wise. Honestly, the frequent warp prism usage existed in the scene by whitera and sase earlier than the time hero was around, they didn't play as high level as him though that's for sure.

Another point I would make is that Taeja when liquid signed up, had the most ridiculous win streak in korean weeklies. can't find the correct liquipedia article, but it was the most ridiculously stacked online tournament ever, full of code s+a koreans, and taeja was the bonjwa of that league, winning like 5 or 6 of them. basically everyone knew that he was champion material by the time he got acquired by TL. while the article doesn't directly contradict this, basically the only thing TL did for him was to give him money to travel to tournaments and win them, so nothing miraculous happened there.

Also, the fire/cold theme is not fitting for their personalities at all, only to the seasons they were successful in 2012. In truth Hero is very emotional (warm) and taeja doesn't show much more personality than Innovation or Alive. he is not exactly cold but not hot either. these themes aren't really nails hit on the head



You obviously haven't been keeping up with Hero since he first joined Liquid... Go watch Day9 Daily #349. Day9 explains it quite nicely.

As for Taeja, he won 6 out of 7 ESV Korean weeklies, but when he left SlayerS, Liquid was the only one that tried to sign him. Everyone knew he had talent, but no one else attempted to pick him up. Even Nazgul said it (I think it was in Liquid Rising but not sure) that Taeja was the biggest acquisition in skill because Liquid's philosophy was to help people with talent flourish.

Fire and ice is just something to sound cool and it's only used to hype them up so I don't understand why you're so touchy on it. Perhaps you would have preferred "Team Taeja" and "Team Hero"?


don't get me wrong, i think hero's awesome. he's just not unparalelled or revolutionizing or anything like bisu, that's all;) he doesn't have any segment of his play that others didn't do before, he just did it better. but not good enough to be the best protoss or dominant or anything. that's why deluded fanboys are annoying, the ones who think hero truly revolutionized anything or he is the top protoss. his style is awesome to watch, he had good success and that's it. i don't know what day9 talks about, cba watch a whole episode because you told so. Hero was basically a no name before he joined TL, and his fan club grew to 300 pages from 3 pages in like a week, just like Taeja's. the point is, 70% of the hype is and was fanboyism. The forums flooded with users who think "hero is the top pross because he plays so beautiful". I choose to look at things objectively, be it a player i personally sympathize with or not.


Taeja was obviously the biggest acquisition, the other korean teams were stupid. Taeja had performance like San back then, only 3 times better. And TL suddenly grew to be the strongest "foreigner" team because they signed 1 player, in a day. Maybe it was connected to the slayers happenings, it's not like the other slayers players managed to get into good korean teams either, not even mma/ryung/alicia etc who had arguably more exposure.

edit: yeah the Team Taeja and Team Hero joke would have been really awesome;)
XinAn
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
129 Posts
November 07 2013 23:58 GMT
#117
On November 08 2013 08:53 WigglingSquid wrote:
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Love the TL heart xD

WINTER IS COMING! *excited*
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 08 2013 00:09 GMT
#118
Loving these write-ups! Polt article should be 'The Patriot'
Yhamm is the god of predictions
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
November 08 2013 00:18 GMT
#119
First one of these I've read. I'm really impressed at the hype the finals are being given! I hope it lives up to it and we get some fantastic games!

Liquid`HerO and TaeJa fighting!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
lystier
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
China877 Posts
November 08 2013 00:22 GMT
#120
hyped! how clever(and evil) you guys do it together
Startale forever.
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