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Fire and Ice: TaeJa and HerO - Road to Blizzcon #13 - Page 7

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ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 08 2013 00:29 GMT
#121
[B]
Another point I would make is that Taeja when liquid signed up, had the most ridiculous win streak in korean weeklies. can't find the correct liquipedia article, but it was the most ridiculously stacked online tournament ever, full of code s+a koreans, and taeja was the bonjwa of that league, winning like 5 or 6 of them. basically everyone knew that he was champion material by the time he got acquired by TL. while the article doesn't directly contradict this, basically the only thing TL did for him was to give him money to travel to tournaments and win them, so nothing miraculous happened there.


I think the point was that Taeja at that time was not as well known and as dominant as other Korean Terrans at that time. While on Slayers, he was overshadowed by MMA and Ryung. Foreigners that dont follow Korean weeklies didn't know him that well. He didn't get huge foreign exposure till he joined TL.
chairmobile
Profile Joined July 2013
United States111 Posts
November 08 2013 00:30 GMT
#122
On November 08 2013 04:57 ggofthejungle wrote:
You guys should tell us before starting the section to click on the hero icon, not after.

also, wow, polt gets to get hyped after hero and taeja? Damn, someone is a really big polt fan! Who decided that?

2 WCS in a row is a pretty valid reason to be hyped imo
The game is balanced. We just suck.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
November 08 2013 00:43 GMT
#123
Dannnnngggg... So good Oo;;
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 00:47:55
November 08 2013 00:46 GMT
#124
That one championship used to be Code S, but in a world re-ordered by the WCS system it can only be the WCS Grand Finals.

no....despite the money gap between GSL and WCS Korea its still a WCS Korea win that puts the big ! behind a players name.
Don't have a link or smth right now but I think it was written in a TL article about Innovation that he still lacks a WCS Korea/GSL Win that puts him above all ([...]cause its still (by far) the hardest competition).
n1kon82
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada4 Posts
November 08 2013 00:47 GMT
#125
HerO all the way =))

He just has to focus and play as he knows!
GL HerO
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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 00:51:29
November 08 2013 00:48 GMT
#126
On November 08 2013 08:58 YoloSwaggins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 08:38 astray71 wrote:
On November 08 2013 06:53 YoloSwaggins wrote:
The word was spreading across the eSports world that a new dragon had been found. There had been tales of dragons in an ancient game, one of which, a being called Bisu, had once terrorized the world with fearsome harass, micro like none had seen before and a strategic eye that was unparalleled. It wasn't long before the community drew the comparison. "Mini-Bisu" they called him, which roughly translates to "Handsome Toss".


Nice little hype writeup, but this paragraph borders ridiculousness;) Micro that nobody has seen and strategic eye that was unparalelled... simply not true. He played(plays) a flashy style with good micro and multitasking, and that's it. Also, who really called him mini-bisu? he looks nothing like bisu and isn't similar to him in any way, not even playstyle wise. Honestly, the frequent warp prism usage existed in the scene by whitera and sase earlier than the time hero was around, they didn't play as high level as him though that's for sure.

Another point I would make is that Taeja when liquid signed up, had the most ridiculous win streak in korean weeklies. can't find the correct liquipedia article, but it was the most ridiculously stacked online tournament ever, full of code s+a koreans, and taeja was the bonjwa of that league, winning like 5 or 6 of them. basically everyone knew that he was champion material by the time he got acquired by TL. while the article doesn't directly contradict this, basically the only thing TL did for him was to give him money to travel to tournaments and win them, so nothing miraculous happened there.

Also, the fire/cold theme is not fitting for their personalities at all, only to the seasons they were successful in 2012. In truth Hero is very emotional (warm) and taeja doesn't show much more personality than Innovation or Alive. he is not exactly cold but not hot either. these themes aren't really nails hit on the head



You obviously haven't been keeping up with Hero since he first joined Liquid... Go watch Day9 Daily #349. Day9 explains it quite nicely.

As for Taeja, he won 6 out of 7 ESV Korean weeklies, but when he left SlayerS, Liquid was the only one that tried to sign him. Everyone knew he had talent, but no one else attempted to pick him up. Even Nazgul said it (I think it was in Liquid Rising but not sure) that Taeja was the biggest acquisition in skill because Liquid's philosophy was to help people with talent flourish.

Fire and ice is just something to sound cool and it's only used to hype them up so I don't understand why you're so touchy on it. Perhaps you would have preferred "Team Taeja" and "Team Hero"?


don't get me wrong, i think hero's awesome. he's just not unparalelled or revolutionizing or anything like bisu, that's all;) he doesn't have any segment of his play that others didn't do before, he just did it better. but not good enough to be the best protoss or dominant or anything. that's why deluded fanboys are annoying, the ones who think hero truly revolutionized anything or he is the top protoss. his style is awesome to watch, he had good success and that's it. i don't know what day9 talks about, cba watch a whole episode because you told so. Hero was basically a no name before he joined TL, and his fan club grew to 300 pages from 3 pages in like a week, just like Taeja's. the point is, 70% of the hype is and was fanboyism. The forums flooded with users who think "hero is the top pross because he plays so beautiful". I choose to look at things objectively, be it a player i personally sympathize with or not.


Taeja was obviously the biggest acquisition, the other korean teams were stupid. Taeja had performance like San back then, only 3 times better. And TL suddenly grew to be the strongest "foreigner" team because they signed 1 player, in a day. Maybe it was connected to the slayers happenings, it's not like the other slayers players managed to get into good korean teams either, not even mma/ryung/alicia etc who had arguably more exposure.

edit: yeah the Team Taeja and Team Hero joke would have been really awesome;)


I agree that Hero's not revolutionizing a matchup, but it's a particular style of play. As much as I am a Hero and Taeja fanboy, Hero is most likely going to be knocked out early (Even though imo Hero is a top 10 Protoss). As for the day9 episode, it's a game from MLG and Day9 talks about how Hero got so hyped and he cites PvZ in Brood War and how Bisu revolutionized it. It's only a 3-4 minute explanation from 5:00 to around ~8:30.

I'm not sure how far Taeja's going to go since he's up against Dear in the first round. He has a killer TvP, but Dear has the momentum while Summer has passed for Taeja.

About Taeja's signing with Liquid, I remember reading somewhere that Taeja talked with some guy at ESV or something and they introduced Taeja to someone on Liquid because he wanted to go to foreign tournaments. It might have just been that Liquid had a head start on signing him than anyone else.

Edit: Yeah, it says on his Liquipedia page that a tournament organizer from ESV introduced Taeja to Liquid's upper management.
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BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
November 08 2013 00:54 GMT
#127
I love both of them, but hero looks way to gay on this picture.
Hero is the destroyer of dreams, the destroyer of worlds, make his picture more badass!!!

slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 08 2013 00:57 GMT
#128
On November 08 2013 09:54 BlueFlames wrote:
I love both of them, but hero looks way to gay on this picture.
Hero is the destroyer of dreams, the destroyer of worlds, make his picture more badass!!!


Dude...I wish HerO was gay.
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Deckard.666
Profile Joined September 2012
152 Posts
November 08 2013 01:01 GMT
#129
Sick article! It really is odd how their performance varies depending on the season. Too bad the grand finals are right between winter and summer >.<

he quickly cooled off as the mercury begin to drop.


Small typo there.
habibe
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 06:10:49
November 08 2013 01:02 GMT
#130
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
November 08 2013 01:07 GMT
#131
Sick sick articles! I wish they wouldn't share the spotlight, but it makes sense, being from TL and all. I think HerO has a chance of making it far, for Taeja it might be his form. If he wins, he will prove that all year is summer (like Singapore! lol)
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
November 08 2013 01:13 GMT
#132
On November 08 2013 10:02 habibe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 09:54 BlueFlames wrote:
I love both of them, but hero looks way to gay on this picture.
Hero is the destroyer of dreams, the destroyer of worlds, make his picture more badass!!!


You mean for this to be a negative but......

Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 09:57 slowbacontron wrote:
Dude...I wish HerO was gay.

Mhmm. Just the right amount of gay.


Dont mean for this to be negative, but i dont see a gay guy as a badass. Maybe there just havent been enough of them for me to realize. When i think of Hero i just imagine someone badass, someone who will destroy your dreams while beeing super nice to you. Maybe that sounds weird, i dont know :-D
[CCSRAM] BaoQuan
Profile Joined August 2013
United States96 Posts
November 08 2013 01:14 GMT
#133
"Mini-Bisu" they called him, which roughly translates to "Handsome Toss".


Best translation
Hangman89
Profile Joined May 2013
Singapore43 Posts
November 08 2013 01:14 GMT
#134
As a HerO fan, i wish there was some mention of his "perfect game" against Moonan (ok its a bit old, i know, aww VR were so good at that time!)



Also, the article could have ended with a bang by saying "Winter is Coming"

But still a great article!
habibe
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 06:10:39
November 08 2013 01:20 GMT
#135
nexus1
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany13 Posts
November 08 2013 01:29 GMT
#136
great great read. very well done wax!
YoloSwaggins
Profile Joined November 2013
Austria236 Posts
November 08 2013 01:57 GMT
#137
On November 08 2013 09:48 astray71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 08:58 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On November 08 2013 08:38 astray71 wrote:
On November 08 2013 06:53 YoloSwaggins wrote:
The word was spreading across the eSports world that a new dragon had been found. There had been tales of dragons in an ancient game, one of which, a being called Bisu, had once terrorized the world with fearsome harass, micro like none had seen before and a strategic eye that was unparalleled. It wasn't long before the community drew the comparison. "Mini-Bisu" they called him, which roughly translates to "Handsome Toss".


Nice little hype writeup, but this paragraph borders ridiculousness;) Micro that nobody has seen and strategic eye that was unparalelled... simply not true. He played(plays) a flashy style with good micro and multitasking, and that's it. Also, who really called him mini-bisu? he looks nothing like bisu and isn't similar to him in any way, not even playstyle wise. Honestly, the frequent warp prism usage existed in the scene by whitera and sase earlier than the time hero was around, they didn't play as high level as him though that's for sure.

Another point I would make is that Taeja when liquid signed up, had the most ridiculous win streak in korean weeklies. can't find the correct liquipedia article, but it was the most ridiculously stacked online tournament ever, full of code s+a koreans, and taeja was the bonjwa of that league, winning like 5 or 6 of them. basically everyone knew that he was champion material by the time he got acquired by TL. while the article doesn't directly contradict this, basically the only thing TL did for him was to give him money to travel to tournaments and win them, so nothing miraculous happened there.

Also, the fire/cold theme is not fitting for their personalities at all, only to the seasons they were successful in 2012. In truth Hero is very emotional (warm) and taeja doesn't show much more personality than Innovation or Alive. he is not exactly cold but not hot either. these themes aren't really nails hit on the head



You obviously haven't been keeping up with Hero since he first joined Liquid... Go watch Day9 Daily #349. Day9 explains it quite nicely.

As for Taeja, he won 6 out of 7 ESV Korean weeklies, but when he left SlayerS, Liquid was the only one that tried to sign him. Everyone knew he had talent, but no one else attempted to pick him up. Even Nazgul said it (I think it was in Liquid Rising but not sure) that Taeja was the biggest acquisition in skill because Liquid's philosophy was to help people with talent flourish.

Fire and ice is just something to sound cool and it's only used to hype them up so I don't understand why you're so touchy on it. Perhaps you would have preferred "Team Taeja" and "Team Hero"?


don't get me wrong, i think hero's awesome. he's just not unparalelled or revolutionizing or anything like bisu, that's all;) he doesn't have any segment of his play that others didn't do before, he just did it better. but not good enough to be the best protoss or dominant or anything. that's why deluded fanboys are annoying, the ones who think hero truly revolutionized anything or he is the top protoss. his style is awesome to watch, he had good success and that's it. i don't know what day9 talks about, cba watch a whole episode because you told so. Hero was basically a no name before he joined TL, and his fan club grew to 300 pages from 3 pages in like a week, just like Taeja's. the point is, 70% of the hype is and was fanboyism. The forums flooded with users who think "hero is the top pross because he plays so beautiful". I choose to look at things objectively, be it a player i personally sympathize with or not.


Taeja was obviously the biggest acquisition, the other korean teams were stupid. Taeja had performance like San back then, only 3 times better. And TL suddenly grew to be the strongest "foreigner" team because they signed 1 player, in a day. Maybe it was connected to the slayers happenings, it's not like the other slayers players managed to get into good korean teams either, not even mma/ryung/alicia etc who had arguably more exposure.

edit: yeah the Team Taeja and Team Hero joke would have been really awesome;)


I agree that Hero's not revolutionizing a matchup, but it's a particular style of play. As much as I am a Hero and Taeja fanboy, Hero is most likely going to be knocked out early (Even though imo Hero is a top 10 Protoss). As for the day9 episode, it's a game from MLG and Day9 talks about how Hero got so hyped and he cites PvZ in Brood War and how Bisu revolutionized it. It's only a 3-4 minute explanation from 5:00 to around ~8:30.

I'm not sure how far Taeja's going to go since he's up against Dear in the first round. He has a killer TvP, but Dear has the momentum while Summer has passed for Taeja.

About Taeja's signing with Liquid, I remember reading somewhere that Taeja talked with some guy at ESV or something and they introduced Taeja to someone on Liquid because he wanted to go to foreign tournaments. It might have just been that Liquid had a head start on signing him than anyone else.

Edit: Yeah, it says on his Liquipedia page that a tournament organizer from ESV introduced Taeja to Liquid's upper management.


I think sos is more manageable than many others honestly, even after seeing hero's quite bad pvp performance recently. or maybe i just didn't see sos play for a while so i write him off...

Taeja vs dear should be interesting. i think dear will take it due to his momentum, even though they're absolutely equal strength wise in my head. Maru managed to pull off insane aggression to keep Dear 20-30 supply down into the late game, if Taeja somehow manages that, he should win because his late game is better than maru's. Rooting for taeja, dear won too much and taeja needs a gsl win;)

If Polt, Taeja, Maru, MC or Jaedong takes it i'll be happy.
Graphix
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States208 Posts
November 08 2013 02:31 GMT
#138
This was freaking awesome !!
~Jaedong Forever~
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
November 08 2013 03:25 GMT
#139
This write up is cool but I can't wait for Naniwa's!
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 05:13:00
November 08 2013 05:12 GMT
#140
hmm i guess they dont deserve a seperate article
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