Finals were sick as fuck. But yeah, basically agreeing with every other viewer that Quattro for a solo game was utter nonsense. The most the 1 peek could do, in the BEST of circumstance, is show you 1 player on your team that has a strong card. Which is pure luck already. So if the only information you can gather nets nothing of value... the game barely changes.
Something that took some serious mind gaming skill or fast thinking would've been infinitely more impressive.
What's interesting to note is that in season 1, the producers chose that shape-matching board flipper game for the finals. Jinho wrecked house in games 1 and 2, so it wasn't even needed. But when Junghyun beat Hongchul in season 2 for that game, again it was a game that really came down to Hongchul's shitty luck in picking. Why place such luck heavy games in the final of a show that's completely about deception, mindgames and manipulation?
I really wish also that they'll cut down on the luck-heavy games. In games where RNG is used to determine "seeding" or other things of the sort it's fine, but it's really frustrating to see some games decided by luck when the image of the show isn't about being lucky but being clever and gaming the system.
I was actually expecting them to play laser chess in the final episode. I thought that the production team couldn't have possibly went through the trouble of creating so much props for just one death match. But I think they quickly changed it so that quattro will be one of the games in the final match after seeing how Boxer broke the game when it was first played. A pity though, as laser chess would have been an epic and fitting game to determine the winner of Season 2.
I don't know, I actually wanted Boxer to win after watching this episode. Quattro isn't suited to be a game of a final like this. It was silly and anticlimatic for me and takes away some credit from the winner. Sangmin was good, don't get me wrong. He deserved the win, especially because of all the main matches he won so far. However, Boxer could've shone in a more skill-oriented final game, I'm pretty sure about that.
All in all The Genius Season 2 was entertaining at times, but S1 with its likeable cast and brilliance regarding Yellow (yep, I'm biased) was better imo.
Hopefully there'll be a S3 with a participants who can create a similar atmosphere!
For game 2, the binary search I remember my school days algorithm lecture about programming ~~
Ah....painful memories . . .that topic has alot to study. That is actually from tutorial 1 I remember . . . and is consider basic into the programming world. I kind of forgot what it is call, is it call binary search?
I tink Yoh Hwan find going to search one number by number will take long, so he wan to use his logic to shorten his time instead of using typical algorithm to find the answer.
But his way need some luck and some risk.. he got lucky by getting 8 and 9. but problem he didnt find an exact way to pinpoint the number location exactly. He need to try his luck 1 by 1.
I dont tink it is 50/50 at the end, because it could be 19 or 91 for 1st two digit, 28 or 82 for next two. 8219 and 8291 is oso valid since the only question he ask about the order is first two digit add to 10. He still has a long way to go, even if Sangmin did not use item he will still win.
Unless Yoh hwan risk and assume it is a year or something, then he will narrow down to 1928 or 1982
Maybe he is nervous , wreck his execution . .because Sangmin was going to the decode the last number within 2 turns he just stopped asking for more hint and go for it.
Anyway, what Sangmin did is the logical way to deal with problems, it is orderly, and efficient. You wont get confused.
Yohhwan method should be : 1:Find all 4 digit first, 2:Find the 1st two number order using arithmetics. 3: Guess the next two number, 50/50 .
But execution isnt perfect . .
I tink like his style in SC1, Yoh hwan is looking for innovative and ingenius way to solve the password.
Game 3 , I could not understand why he trade with Yooyoung and look @ Dohee card. Since only can trade 3 times, unlike episode 1 where u are forced to trade with enemies too, I thought he should look @ one of ally card, and trade 3 times with ally. to form up a quatto easily. .and for high numbers too.
Even I feel Jinho is better choice to trade than Yooyoung since Jinho they have a long history & unique relationship, even though Jinho is supporting Sangmin .
Ah .. .come to tink of it . . Yohwan keep sticking with girls from episode 1-12. From Dahye & Yoonsoon to Yooyoung .
Game 3 , I could not understand why he trade with Yooyoung and look @ Dohee card. Since only can trade 3 times, unlike episode 1 where u are forced to trade with enemies too, I thought he should look @ one of ally card, and trade 3 times with ally. to form up a quatto easily. .and for high numbers too.
Even I feel Jinho is better choice to trade than Yooyoung since Jinho they have a long history & unique relationship, even though Jinho is supporting Sangmin .
The problem with this logic is that the guests themselves clearly stated that they would all do their best to help whoever asked them for cards, to the best of their ability. There was literally no "optimum" way to play the game, other then maybe try and "read" whether the other person saw good cards in their peek at the start and try and trade with that person first to steal the card. After that it made absolutely no difference who they picked :S
On February 28 2014 12:51 dudeman001 wrote: Finally I'm caught up so I can actually risk reading this thread beyond the first post.
What's interesting to note is that in season 1, the producers chose that shape-matching board flipper game for the finals. Jinho wrecked house in games 1 and 2, so it wasn't even needed. But when Junghyun beat Hongchul in season 2 for that game, again it was a game that really came down to Hongchul's shitty luck in picking. Why place such luck heavy games in the final of a show that's completely about deception, mindgames and manipulation?
Thats actually not really true. That flipping game was designed so that they would have time to turn all (or almost all) of the squares over at least once before someone lost, if they both kept picking new squares each time. The idea was they'd both be about to lose, but just before they lost they'd reach a point where they had perfect information and it just came down to memory.
What Junghyun did was realise that if he went second and just never turned over any new pieces, then he had something like an 80% chance of winning (can't remember exactly what, someone calculated it earlier), because hongchul was essentially forced to find his own piece before dying, but because junghyun wasn't helping turn them over, he only had 7-8 moves to find it. Plus if he found one of junghyuns in the mean time, then he's just set himself even further behind, because junghyun gets a free step forward from it.
I actually really liked that deathmatch, because it showed an actual intelligent, calculated approach to a game that none of the previous players had noticed, rather then two people just flailing around hoping to get lucky/rely on memory. Was one of the first times he actually showed his full potential by taking a tried and tested "fair" game, and utterly destroying it through intelligent strategy.
Am I the only one that thought season 2 was better than 1? I always had a sense of excitement and mystery when watching...
Well, I guess it's because people wanted to see BoxeR being awesome, but he turned out to be really goofy! You'd expect a progamer to be thoughtful and disciplined, but instead he was rather impulsive. Often times he just stopped thinking, gave up, lost on purpose etc...while he still had a chance to win. Then he ended up staying in the game way longer than deserved, and even eliminated the crowd favourite. He was a good "final boss" though.
On March 13 2014 14:57 Tanukki wrote: Am I the only one that thought season 2 was better than 1? I always had a sense of excitement and mystery when watching...
Well, I guess it's because people wanted to see BoxeR being awesome, but he turned out to be really goofy! You'd expect a progamer to be thoughtful and disciplined, but instead he was rather impulsive. Often times he just stopped thinking, gave up, lost on purpose etc...while he still had a chance to win. Then he ended up staying in the game way longer than deserved, and even eliminated the crowd favourite. He was a good "final boss" though.
I started watching season 2 because Boxer and Yellow.
After a couple episodes, I realized it wasn't really my thing because the team games were much more about teaming up well, lying and betraying than just of just pure skill. Even with a few genius moves thrown here and there, I got bored.
So I just decided to watch all the face to face matches instead, which were more focused about skill IMO.
Last episode was a blast until the last game, which was just terrible. I like how most of the girls like or even just flat out fully support Boxer, while the older dude and Yellow support the other older guy. I think that really tells a tale xD
As much as I didn't like Sangmin before, I saw him in a new light after episode 10 (when he uses his token on Boxer). At that point, I thought about the things he actually did during this season, and realized that he really played the games well (despite some betrayals, which is normal). I think he deserved to win the entire thing. Even though I was rooting for Boxer, by the time I got to the finals, it didn't matter to me who won anymore; in the end, he deserved the win.
However....HOWEVER.... Quattro is a shitty game that should not have been in the finals. Even picture hunt game would have been better. I'm gonna go as far as to say that I think the production team intentionally put Quattro there because they knew that Boxer would win in any straight-up thinking game. I'm gonna go even further and say that they rigged that game so that Sangmin would win because a Boxer victory after Sangmin displaying true genius and Boxer losing so terribly with terrible strategies would be extremely upsetting. In the end, I was also somewhat glad that Sangmin won for this reason.
Anyways, I'm gonna look forward to Season 3. I think they should just have new players every season, and then have an "all-star" season where they pick the best people from Seasons 1-3 (example) and have those people face off again.
So I just finished watching, and I'd like to thank Clefairy for subbing, it was a lot of fun... well, mostly Season 1 was a lot of fun. So many strange decisions by the producers in S2... choosing too many entertainment players that just went along with Sangmin, MM's that didn't really work at all, too many social DM's at the beginning, the inexcusably bad choice of Quattro as the final game... It is nice to read that there will be a S3, though, hopefully they've learned from what went wrong.
I have to agree with the idea of an "all-star" season, it would be great to see Yellow and Sangmin and Junghyun and Doohee and so on if the show goes on, but none of them should be in S3...
Nam Hweejong got saved only because of the joke saying "there's such a thing as human decency". Also both women did not play the death match out very well, but the winner picked a good time to go all-in.
Nam Hweejong got saved only because of the joke saying "there's such a thing as human decency". Also both women did not play the death match out very well, but the winner picked a good time to go all-in.
Nam Hweejong got saved only because of the joke saying "there's such a thing as human decency". Also both women did not play the death match out very well, but the winner picked a good time to go all-in.
Changes to format sound great, so does no recurring players except for Hweejong who only played 1 round last time. Winning deathmatches actually has a benefit now and having 3 black garnets doesn't make you as invincible as last season. Main match was ok, I thought Hyunmin showed potential. Death match was very poorly played out by both players, there were plenty of times were going 0 would've been a great option. Can't see Ayeong go much further, played both the main and deathmatch quite badly.
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