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On October 31 2013 03:24 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:23 Energizer wrote:
This just goes to show that no matter what, there are posters who will find a way to bitch about anything, no matter how insignificant.
Kudos to Naniwa! Yes, shame on us for wanting fair competition.
Are you suggesting that Select and Jon Snow will cheat if they are offered $500 for winning? Are you suggesting that Revival will take a fall because Select and Jon Snow are being offered $500?
Or are you suggesting that money that will make Select and Jon Snow possibly play their best is unfair competition?
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More like SHITSTORM71. O ho ho.
The other players in the group have like, little to no motivation to actually win the matches, while Revival has plenty. It should eliminate the "motivational advantage" issue at hand! Plus, it's coming out of Naniwa's pocket. Of course, I find it unlikely that anything actually will happen still.
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On October 31 2013 03:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:24 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:23 Energizer wrote:
This just goes to show that no matter what, there are posters who will find a way to bitch about anything, no matter how insignificant.
Kudos to Naniwa! Yes, shame on us for wanting fair competition. Are you suggesting that Select and Jon Snow will cheat if they are offered $500 for winning? Are you suggesting that Revival will take a fall because Select and Jon Snow are being offered $500? Or are you suggesting that money that will make Select and Jon Snow possibly play their best is unfair competition?
No money was offered to Naniwa's opponents in HIS challenger league matches when THEY had little to play for.
You keep ignoring this. I like everyone, want to see the best games and the players giving it their all, but not because one side was hired as mercenary by Naniwa.
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On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon?
Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other
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On October 31 2013 03:26 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:
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And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? He offered it to make a joke and hype the match. And because the community are a bunch of drama sluts that will get down with even the tinyest amount of drama that can dig up. And it worked, because the community had a hard on for this sort of shit. I didn't know you could read Naniwa's mind. It is hard to convey tone across written text; is that just an assumption you made?
Don't need to, he has been calling players out and hyping his upcoming match forever. Naniwa is slowly learning from MC how to be a super star.
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On October 31 2013 03:26 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:
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And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? He offered it to make a joke and hype the match. And because the community are a bunch of drama sluts that will get down with even the tinyest amount of drama that can dig up. And it worked, because the community had a hard on for this sort of shit. I didn't know you could read Naniwa's mind. It is hard to convey tone across written text; is that just an assumption you made?
Backroom deals are made in backrooms, public displays are public displays.
A twitter post is not a contract, a twitter post is not a promise, a twitter post is just someone on the internet yelling.
If I made a twitter post saying you are gay--it doesn't make you gay. Much like if Naniwa is making a twitter post about offering a bounty--it does not mean he is forced to pay said bounty.
To assume a twitter post is a contract written in stone is ridiculous. Either stop trolling or--no, fuck it, please just stop trolling, no or.
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On October 31 2013 03:30 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
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I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other
Yeah, players practice the same amount for each match, regardless of how much money is at stake. LOL
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On October 31 2013 03:32 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:30 Pazuzu wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:
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And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other Yeah, players practice the same amount for each match, regardless of how much money is at stake. LOL
we've established already that you disagree with his opinion. move on =/
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On October 31 2013 03:32 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:30 Pazuzu wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:
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And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other Yeah, players practice the same amount for each match, regardless of how much money is at stake. LOL
So you're upset that Select and Jon Snow will practice vs Revival?
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On October 31 2013 03:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:26 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:24 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:
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We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? He offered it to make a joke and hype the match. And because the community are a bunch of drama sluts that will get down with even the tinyest amount of drama that can dig up. And it worked, because the community had a hard on for this sort of shit. I didn't know you could read Naniwa's mind. It is hard to convey tone across written text; is that just an assumption you made? Backroom deals are made in backrooms, public displays are public displays. A twitter post is not a contract, a twitter post is not a promise, a twitter post is just someone on the internet yelling. If I made a twitter post saying you are gay--it doesn't make you gay. Much like if Naniwa is making a twitter post about offering a bounty--it does not mean he is forced to pay said bounty. To assume a twitter post is a contract written in stone is ridiculous. Either stop trolling or--no, fuck it, please just stop trolling, no or.
That's assuming that a public statement on Twitter can't possibly lead to an agreement between players, legally enforceable or not. I'm not the one who needs to stop trolling.
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On October 31 2013 03:33 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:32 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 Pazuzu wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:
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We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other Yeah, players practice the same amount for each match, regardless of how much money is at stake. LOL So you're upset that Select and Jon Snow will practice vs Revival?
Uh.... no, I never stated, suggested or implied that.
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storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing.
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On October 31 2013 03:35 stratmatt wrote:
storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing.
I was trying to beat around the bush, but ya. this. 
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On October 31 2013 03:35 stratmatt wrote:
storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing.
Yeah, how dare someone express an opinion different from yours?
You can go crawl back into your mother's basement now.
User was temp banned for this post.
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This is so awesome. Way to go Nani! Reviving interest in a game/event that is rapidly losing it.
WOOOOH!
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On October 31 2013 03:37 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:35 stratmatt wrote:
storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing. Yeah, how dare someone express an opinion different from yours? You can go crawl back into your mother's basement now.
We understand that you have a different opinion and you have stated it many times. Our collective opinion is that your opinion sucks and is not worthy of further discussion.
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On October 31 2013 03:37 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:35 stratmatt wrote:
storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing. Yeah, how dare someone express an opinion different from yours? You can go crawl back into your mother's basement now.
You've stated you opinion, now move on. You have nothing new to add to the discussion.
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i played an EGRevival online and beat him.
however he was a terran player and in plat.
does this count?
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On October 31 2013 03:38 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:37 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:35 stratmatt wrote:
storm71: shut up dude you are either trolling or too stupid to realize when nobody wants to hear what drivel you are spewing. Yeah, how dare someone express an opinion different from yours? You can go crawl back into your mother's basement now. We understand that you have a different opinion and you have stated it many times. Our collective opinion is that your opinion sucks and is not worthy of further discussion.
I was just replying to posts directed at myself. If you don't want me to post, then stop replying to them.
Moron.
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It's quite frustrating to hear the 'this would never be tolerated in real sports' when it is, frequently.
Positive incentivisation is completely distinct from the likes of matchfixing which are more obviously unethical.
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