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On October 31 2013 04:21 ZachFreeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 04:03 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's quite frustrating to hear the 'this would never be tolerated in real sports' when it is, frequently.
Positive incentivisation is completely distinct from the likes of matchfixing which are more obviously unethical. Well, some people don't want to hear that and want to keep claiming its unfair. Of course professional players in all sports make wagers and set bounties against eachother. It makes the game more fun and exciting. Yeah when Pete Rose bet on his own team it wasn't a big deal at a... oh wait He didn't do that publicly and took great efforts to hide it. Context is key, since Naniwa isn't going to win money from this, unlike Pete Rose. Well if revivial does not win his matches nani has confirmed money from blizzcon, no? I know it's not the same as gambling, but nani will win more money if revival loses his matches.
Once again, context is king. He isn't betting on his own team or asking someone to throw a game.
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On October 31 2013 04:21 ZachFreeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 04:03 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's quite frustrating to hear the 'this would never be tolerated in real sports' when it is, frequently.
Positive incentivisation is completely distinct from the likes of matchfixing which are more obviously unethical. Well, some people don't want to hear that and want to keep claiming its unfair. Of course professional players in all sports make wagers and set bounties against eachother. It makes the game more fun and exciting. Yeah when Pete Rose bet on his own team it wasn't a big deal at a... oh wait He didn't do that publicly and took great efforts to hide it. Context is key, since Naniwa isn't going to win money from this, unlike Pete Rose. Well if revivial does not win his matches nani has confirmed money from blizzcon, no? I know it's not the same as gambling, but nani will win more money if revival loses his matches.
yes Naniwa gets into Blizzcon and get 5000 just for getting there, otherwise he needs to play a bo5 against revival (talk about an important first match). I still dont see a huge problem with setting a bounty on revivals head, he want them to beat him, not lose to him
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On October 31 2013 04:13 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Does anybody remember when Naniwa probe-rushed Nestea in the GSL because he was forced to play a meaningless match? You remember how disappointed everyone was with how that match never happened? I wonder if Naniwa would have played that match out if he had been promised $500 :D
One thing's for sure - I'm actually going to watch Revival's matches. I wouldn't have, otherwise. Thank you, Nani!
Revival's matches would have affected Nani's blizzcon qualification anyways? I don't think the $500 affects how much impact it has, and therefore its hype/watchability.
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Revival has an incentive to win his Code A group => that will guarantee him a top 16 hence at least $5,000
The opponents of Revival do not have such incentive... they are playing for at most $200 and an uncertain seed future
By setting an incentive to Revival's opponents, Naniwa correct in part that unbalance of incentive.
I fail to see what the big fuss is about, really... since when motivating a player to get _better_ result is ever a 'bad thing' ?
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@Storm71: I really don't understand what you're afraid of. That someone actually plays better because they can get $500 if they win? - Wow, good!!!
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On October 31 2013 04:03 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:34 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 Pazuzu wrote:On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:
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So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh?
I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? Give it a rest bud, you've switched arguments multiple times over the many pages that I'm not quite sure why I read. You're saying the money is extra motivation, Plansix is saying that the money, while being a nice perk if they were to win, is not going to motivate them to practice harder as they already would have been. You guys aren't gonna convince each other Yeah, players practice the same amount for each match, regardless of how much money is at stake. LOL So you're upset that Select and Jon Snow will practice vs Revival? Uh.... no, I never stated, suggested or implied that. Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote:
So can you please answer the question of why you don't like it that players practice against revival? No point since you clearly don't even read what I post. Either that or you just want to troll.
You're arguing that $500 will make select and Jon practice against revival otherwise they won't be motivated to win.
Somehow you are against it, why?
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On October 31 2013 04:32 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 04:13 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Does anybody remember when Naniwa probe-rushed Nestea in the GSL because he was forced to play a meaningless match? You remember how disappointed everyone was with how that match never happened? I wonder if Naniwa would have played that match out if he had been promised $500 :D
One thing's for sure - I'm actually going to watch Revival's matches. I wouldn't have, otherwise. Thank you, Nani! Revival's matches would have affected Nani's blizzcon qualification anyways? I don't think the $500 affects how much impact it has, and therefore its hype/watchability.
You're right, the $500 probably doesn't have a big impact. However, I would love to watch the match so that I can see if the commentators bring it up, if the players bring it up... there's likely to be some funny/interesting banter going on in the games.
Personally, though, I really want Revival to win this - I want to see a Nani vs Revival grudge match with the prize being to enter Blizzcon. That'll be sick.
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Wait, so Naniwa isn't going to battle for his 16 spot vs revival? And instead he's offering 500$ to whoever wins that spot? I am confused around the logic of everything here. Why isn't he going, why is he offering money?
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I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa 
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On October 31 2013 05:17 Darkhoarse wrote:I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa
Especially if you're a fan of Naniwa 
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On October 31 2013 05:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Wait, so Naniwa isn't going to battle for his 16 spot vs revival? And instead he's offering 500$ to whoever wins that spot? I am confused around the logic of everything here. Why isn't he going, why is he offering money?
he is gonna fight for it if it comes down to it (most likely)
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On October 31 2013 05:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 05:17 Darkhoarse wrote:I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa Especially if you're a fan of Naniwa
Yeah for real. I mean, Naniwa is probably favored by a decent amount to beat Revival in a bo5 anyway.
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The thing is that Revival only made it to blizzcon because of his free last minute invite to IEM. Naniwa is still sour about that and wants to see revival knocked off beforehand. I think this drama is good.
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On October 31 2013 05:33 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 05:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 05:17 Darkhoarse wrote:I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa Especially if you're a fan of Naniwa Yeah for real. I mean, Naniwa is probably favored by a decent amount to beat Revival in a bo5 anyway.
Even if he wasn't favored. He just called out revival and is about to have a bo5 show match for 5k
It doesn't get more dramatic than that.
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On October 31 2013 05:17 Darkhoarse wrote:I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa
One thing is for sure, it would mean that Naniwa could at least win a match at Blizzcon. Because he obviously won't win against SK.
I am a big fan of Nani, but holy shit SK is just on another level.
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NAAAANIIIIIWAAAA!?!?! y u so keeeewl?!
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On October 31 2013 05:47 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 05:17 Darkhoarse wrote:I mean lets be serious, a bo5 grudge match featuring Naniwa as an INTRO to Blizzcon? Anyone who is a fan of the #HYPE and drama should be rooting for Revival here, even if they're fans of Naniwa One thing is for sure, it would mean that Naniwa could at least win a match at Blizzcon. Because he obviously won't win against SK.
Unless he just goes full Dear.
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Does anyone actually believe that this is bad? If so... Man, I don't know what to say. No idea how your brain thinks because the way I think about it, it cannot have any negative impact.
Giving a player more incentive = bad? What. And people talking about WCS players not having incentive... what? If they win they'll make it through, so they very well have incentive to beat Revival, now they simply have more than before. I like stuff like this in the scene.
Go Nani ^^
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I find it funny that jonsnow has the fate of the king in the north in his hands. What does that make revival?
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On October 31 2013 05:56 Snusmumriken wrote:
I find it funny that jonsnow has the fate of the king in the north in his hands. What does that make revival?
An endless swath of slain creatures morphed into unrelenting killing machines marching from the frozen wastes best killed by fire and psi blades; meaning zerg.
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