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On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures.
We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that.
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On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that.
No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with.
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On October 31 2013 02:43 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 01:22 Assirra wrote:On October 31 2013 01:14 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:09 Assirra wrote:On October 30 2013 22:17 Xpace wrote:On October 29 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote:
Can't win on your own? Hire in help. Pretty sad tbh. Isn't this how Alexander the Great conquered Persia? I must have missed the part where conquering was a 1vs1 sport. Depends on how you do it. The art of war would support Naniwas actions and The Prince would be super supportive. Again, this is not the art of war. This is a game/sport so the comparison makes absolutely no bloody sense. It only doesn't make sense because while Alexander *had* to pay people to fight, Revival still has to fight the same people whether Naniwa gives money or not. Its more akin to giving someone a performance based bonus for sealing the deal with a particularly difficult client. It's not like that at all. The person giving the bonus and the employee receiving the bonus is part of the same entity. That's not the case with Naniwa and the players Revival is playing. It's more like paying a third party money to steal your competitor's clients away.
If they are your competitor, you are already trying to steal their clients--by nature that you are *competing*
In the scenario being talked about, the two entities are already going to be engaged with each other. You are simply rewarding one of them for being successful. Paying someone else to intervene would suggest that Revival would not have to face anyone *unless* Naniwa puts up $500; which is not the case. No one is intervening. Its the same people meeting up to do what they are currently paid to do, except one player is being offered bonus if he is successful.
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On October 31 2013 02:43 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 01:22 Assirra wrote:On October 31 2013 01:14 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:09 Assirra wrote:On October 30 2013 22:17 Xpace wrote:On October 29 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote:
Can't win on your own? Hire in help. Pretty sad tbh. Isn't this how Alexander the Great conquered Persia? I must have missed the part where conquering was a 1vs1 sport. Depends on how you do it. The art of war would support Naniwas actions and The Prince would be super supportive. Again, this is not the art of war. This is a game/sport so the comparison makes absolutely no bloody sense. It only doesn't make sense because while Alexander *had* to pay people to fight, Revival still has to fight the same people whether Naniwa gives money or not. Its more akin to giving someone a performance based bonus for sealing the deal with a particularly difficult client. It's not like that at all. The person giving the bonus and the employee receiving the bonus is part of the same entity. That's not the case with Naniwa and the players Revival is playing. It's more like paying a third party money to steal your competitor's clients away.
Lol
You realize Alliance and EG are the same organization, right?
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On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with.
So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh?
I didn't know you could read minds.
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On October 31 2013 03:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:43 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 01:22 Assirra wrote:On October 31 2013 01:14 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:09 Assirra wrote:On October 30 2013 22:17 Xpace wrote:On October 29 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote:
Can't win on your own? Hire in help. Pretty sad tbh. Isn't this how Alexander the Great conquered Persia? I must have missed the part where conquering was a 1vs1 sport. Depends on how you do it. The art of war would support Naniwas actions and The Prince would be super supportive. Again, this is not the art of war. This is a game/sport so the comparison makes absolutely no bloody sense. It only doesn't make sense because while Alexander *had* to pay people to fight, Revival still has to fight the same people whether Naniwa gives money or not. Its more akin to giving someone a performance based bonus for sealing the deal with a particularly difficult client. It's not like that at all. The person giving the bonus and the employee receiving the bonus is part of the same entity. That's not the case with Naniwa and the players Revival is playing. It's more like paying a third party money to steal your competitor's clients away. Lol You realize Alliance and EG are the same organization, right?
Same ownership, not same organization. ESPN and ABC are not the same organization.
You also misread what I posted; I was referring to Naniwa and Revival's opponents, not Naniwa and Revival.
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On October 31 2013 02:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:43 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 31 2013 01:22 Assirra wrote:On October 31 2013 01:14 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:09 Assirra wrote:On October 30 2013 22:17 Xpace wrote:On October 29 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote:
Can't win on your own? Hire in help. Pretty sad tbh. Isn't this how Alexander the Great conquered Persia? I must have missed the part where conquering was a 1vs1 sport. Depends on how you do it. The art of war would support Naniwas actions and The Prince would be super supportive. Again, this is not the art of war. This is a game/sport so the comparison makes absolutely no bloody sense. It only doesn't make sense because while Alexander *had* to pay people to fight, Revival still has to fight the same people whether Naniwa gives money or not. Its more akin to giving someone a performance based bonus for sealing the deal with a particularly difficult client. It's not like that at all. The person giving the bonus and the employee receiving the bonus is part of the same entity. That's not the case with Naniwa and the players Revival is playing. It's more like paying a third party money to steal your competitor's clients away. If they are your competitor, you are already trying to steal their clients--by nature that you are *competing* In the scenario being talked about, the two entities are already going to be engaged with each other. You are simply rewarding one of them for being successful. Paying someone else to intervene would suggest that Revival would not have to face anyone *unless* Naniwa puts up $500; which is not the case. No one is intervening. Its the same people meeting up to do what they are currently paid to do, except one player is being offered bonus if he is successful.
Unless of course, Revival's opponents would forefeit otherwise. Or decide that winning those matches aren't worth divulging their strategy so they put in little effort.
Stop pretending that players wouldn't play differently with a bounty on the line.
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On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds.
I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Not stress, motivation.
$500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount.
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On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount.
Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon.
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wow this thread is still going? ..
when i first read about it i thought "yeah, that's a non-issue"
i guess nothing is a non-issue
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On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount.
SeleCT don't give a fuck about $500 bounties. SeleCT is the man.
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On October 31 2013 03:17 ratbert wrote:
wow this thread is still going? ..
when i first read about it i thought "yeah, that's a non-issue"
i guess nothing is a non-issue
The drama is light this week and Blizzcon is a while off. People need drama to entertain them.
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On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon.
The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation.
And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon?
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This just goes to show that no matter what, there are posters who will find a way to bitch about anything, no matter how insignificant.
Kudos to Naniwa!
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On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon?
He offered it to make a joke and hype the match. And because the community are a bunch of drama sluts that will get down with even the tinyest amount of drama that can dig up. And it worked, because the community had a hard on for this sort of shit.
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On October 31 2013 03:23 Energizer wrote:
This just goes to show that no matter what, there are posters who will find a way to bitch about anything, no matter how insignificant.
Kudos to Naniwa!
Yes, shame on us for wanting fair competition.
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On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 01:49 sd_andeh wrote:
I don't get the people thinking this is bad or wrong :D Worst case scenario - someone in challenger league actually tries to win apart from Revival, who is the only one to have anything to actually try for in this moment.
This challenger league shouldn't even be played in the first place, let alone give any WCS points :D It's all a mess thanks to Blizzard. I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount.
Will $500 make the players cheat? Will they injure Revival? Will the players do anything that they wouldn't do otherwise? Is the only side effect of the incentive to cause the players to take the game more seriously?
More good is good--tautologically.
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On October 31 2013 03:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:19 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:13 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:09 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:52 Storm71 wrote:On October 31 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
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I'm sure Naniwa tried to win in challenger too. And he didn't have to play against players with a bounty on his head. And the difference that the bounty will make is so negligible it will not matter. Theses are professional players, not amatures. We don't know for sure, do we? It's just baseless speculation on your part to assume that. No, I know for sure. I've watched these players for years and they give no fucks $500 bounty. It is fucking minor pressure compared to what these players normally deal with. So all those showmatches which give out $500 or less, it's the same as playing for nothing, huh? I didn't know you could read minds. I don't need to. All the players are professionals and the additional "stress" of the $500 bounty is minor. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not stress, motivation. $500 for winning a Bo3 isn't exactly trivial. And just because you like to refer to them as "professionals", it doesn't mean that $500 is necessarily a meaningless amount. Nothing will change because of the bounty. It won't change how hard Revival plays and his opponents will not go up in skill. If he can't beat a modivated player, he doesn't deserve to be at Blizzcon. The bounty will change nothing? Then why did Naniwa offer it? Maybe because he knows that performance is not merely a product of skill, but also of motivation. And Revival already has 3175 wcs points; he has beaten quite a few motivated players. Using your logic, perhaps we should replay Naniwa's challenger league matches, offer his opponents a bounty to see if HE deserves to be at Blizzcon? He offered it to make a joke and hype the match. And because the community are a bunch of drama sluts that will get down with even the tinyest amount of drama that can dig up. And it worked, because the community had a hard on for this sort of shit.
I didn't know you could read Naniwa's mind. It is hard to convey tone across written text; is that just an assumption you made?
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This was an awesome move by naniwa until it showed just how petty and terrible some people in the sc2 scene are. Seriously, get the fuck off the forums and play the goddamn game you are supposedly so beholden to lol. Either that or log off and go to your room to cry some more.
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