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Canada13389 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.-
I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:09 Zax19 wrote:
Meh, they still don't know that a straight up nerf isn't a proper fix for the widow mine.
They are staying withing balance patch limits.
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On October 15 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 02:35 TheDwf wrote:
Still completely out of touch with the real world, weakening Mines without anything substantial to compensate when TvZ is already becoming Zerg-favored. Zerg recently winning a couple matches doesn't mean it's becoming zerg favored wtf.
Yet Terran winning a few, and not being the most represented in the best 32 players in Korea/Europe/America in any season does show terran is overpowered? Terran has done good in the top 8 players in the world for 1.5 seasons. Thats it. Not even the top 32 players were they well represented. Yet that top 8 performance was enough to nerf terran apparantly.
And now terran also isn't doing good in the top 8 we should just go ahead and nerf them to be sure?
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On October 15 2013 05:08 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:00 avilo wrote:
Imo, they need to hold off on Terran nerfs. They made the mistake with WOL where they had a nerfbat-spree and nerfed lots of Terran units after a few events to the detriment of the entire game.
Zergs already have figured out widow mines, and at the current rate the match-up is going, people will soon start complaining about mass mutalisk. Does that mean mass muta will be nerfed soon? (edit: trying to make the point that it should not be). Widow mines are the last untouched Terran HOTS unit - they need to leave it alone imo. Something tells me you have switched to mass mines mech :S
God no. Mines are terrible with Mech against Zerg because of swarmhosts. It's quite backwards, at first glance you'd think, "hey mines are a factory unit, so you use those with mech right?" But they are just much, much better with bio than they are with mech. That being said i rarely use mines with Mech vs Zerg.
Bio mine will take a huge hit though, and regardless of it being the more prevalent strategy at the moment in TvZ, blizzard should not eliminate strategic options when there are already so few in the game.
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Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
The widow mine change is actually a much better change than a straight up nerf damage or radius. Looks like blizzard are actually listening or are thinking outside the box here a bit!
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I think they should wait on widow mine nerfs. I'm not sure if 4M tvz is as OP as we had thought, or just there have been a couple of high level ZvT games where zergs played amazingly well (see DRG vs Innovation).
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I don't get the mine nerf, TvZ is looking pretty zerg favored, mutas dominate.
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Nice. Tanks need more buffing TvZ, though. My suggestion: Nerf Blinding Cloud so instead of reducing range to 0, it decreases range by 6. So it would work as it used to versus marines and marauders, but would only reduce siege tank range to 7.
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On October 15 2013 05:14 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.- I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations.
when was the last time you saw burrowing/cloaking being the issue with oracles in a high level game?
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Here's a suggestion of mine : since the ebay block and proxy hatch have gotten quite common against protoss, I suggest Blizzard removes the unbuildable mini rocks/plate. It was made to prevent the pylon blocks but it should come back to make protoss on par with the equivalent zerg and terran blocks.
About these test maps, people shouldn't really care because they're just a way to keep players busy while they don't patch the game. They do know some of the problems of Starcraft 2, they showed it when they mentionned the swarm hosts being used as a way to turtle and they've talked about the mutas when they made a unit to counter them (the tempest). They just want to keep the balance more or less as it is now and keep people talking on forums so they can come with answers with Legacy of the Void. The previous interviews, patches and now the oracle bugfix just show they don't really want to change anything major, and pretty much nothing about protoss. Because Lotv.
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On October 15 2013 05:24 bGr.MetHiX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.- I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations. when was the last time you saw burrowing/cloaking being the issue with oracles in a high level game?
Something tells me you aren't getting the point
It's not supposed to matter at high level play, if anything it should be marked as a bug fix
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:26 chuky500 wrote:
Here's a suggestion of mine : since the ebay block and proxy hatch have gotten quite common against protoss, I suggest Blizzard removes the unbuildable mini rocks/plate. It was made to prevent the pylon blocks but it should come back to make protoss on par with the equivalent zerg and terran blocks..
Not sure if serious.
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Not playing till next Expansion beta will be key to enjoy SC2 I guess.
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On October 15 2013 05:26 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:24 bGr.MetHiX wrote:On October 15 2013 05:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.- I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations. when was the last time you saw burrowing/cloaking being the issue with oracles in a high level game? Something tells me you aren't getting the point It's not supposed to matter at high level play, if anything it should be marked as a bug fix
something tells me you aren't getting the point.
blizzard intended to buff oracles so they would be more useful mid-late game. well fixing that "bug" of yours wont be noticeable. guess why? because seeing units after they unburrow \ uncloak will reap no benefits at high level play.guess why? because oracles arent seen mid-late-game because they have little to no use. something blizzard intended to fix, but i guess it wont happen.
On October 15 2013 05:26 chuky500 wrote:
they've talked about the mutas when they made a unit to counter them (the tempest)
please man if u are going to post about starcraft make sure u've played the game recently or you at least know which units counter which
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I really dont think there is ANY reason to nerf terran at the current state of the game. Why Blizzard, why?! TL-whiners seem to have a bigger impact on your decision making progress than current tourney results...
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On October 15 2013 05:26 chuky500 wrote:
Here's a suggestion of mine : since the ebay block and proxy hatch have gotten quite common against protoss, I suggest Blizzard removes the unbuildable mini rocks/plate. It was made to prevent the pylon blocks but it should come back to make protoss on par with the equivalent zerg and terran blocks.
Why not just give toss an always-on planetary nexus with range (and vision of course) to reach the natural with the main nexus. That also seems reasonable...
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On October 15 2013 05:39 bGr.MetHiX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:26 Antylamon wrote:On October 15 2013 05:24 bGr.MetHiX wrote:On October 15 2013 05:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.- I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations. when was the last time you saw burrowing/cloaking being the issue with oracles in a high level game? Something tells me you aren't getting the point It's not supposed to matter at high level play, if anything it should be marked as a bug fix something tells me you aren't getting the point. blizzard intended to buff oracles so they would be more useful mid-late game. well fixing that "bug" of yours wont be noticeable. guess why? because seeing units after they unburrow \ uncloak will reap no benefits at high level play.guess why? because oracles arent seen mid-late-game because they have little to no use. something blizzard intended to fix, but i guess it wont happen.
Bashing Revelation really isn't the best way to vent out your anger towards how underused Oracles are
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On October 15 2013 05:24 bGr.MetHiX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 05:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 15 2013 05:12 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
burrowing/unburrowing/cloaking/uncloaking who cares man.that's never been the issue with oracles. once again blizzard proves to be totally clueless ................................................ -.- I think this is more of a Quality of Life change for revelation. The fact you could cloak or burrow then unburrow or uncloak to remove it wasn't necessarily intended. Its not meant to fix the entire oracle, just to make revelation more useful in some situations. when was the last time you saw burrowing/cloaking being the issue with oracles in a high level game?
Just the threat of it happening forces players to defend against it. Once that element of the game is removed, players can free up a little apm since they don't have to take it into consideration this reasonably significant detail of the inner game mechanics (especially players like innovation who is 100% mechanics!)
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WM change is good. I can't say anything about oracle, I have never seen remove revelation by burrowing/cloaking,
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:40 kinsky wrote:
I really dont think there is ANY reason to nerf terran at the current state of the game. Why Blizzard, why?! TL-whiners seem to have a bigger impact on your decision making progress than current tourney results...
If TL-whiners had a bigger impact on Blizzard's decision making, they would already renamed this game into YetAnotherBlizzardRTS4 instead of SC2. Blizzard just happens to believe that the area being what it used to be is too punishing, considering that good players usually do not even get the hits that cover the whole area to begin with, so it does not change much IMO.
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