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QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands281 Posts
November 10 2013 01:35 GMT
#661
i dont get the entire point of using winrates from ladder as for balance purposes anyways, isnt mmr supposed to give you a 50% winrate anyways? even IF it was 60% winrate in terran's favor in the matchup TvZ, what does it really mean? that he is worse at the other 2 matchups?
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
November 10 2013 01:42 GMT
#662
On November 10 2013 09:53 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 08:53 Faust852 wrote:
On November 10 2013 08:50 TurboMaN wrote:
Just found these statistics on Blizzards page lol

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Where did they get them from?
I don't think those numbers are representative for the current state of the game.

Source:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11523759


Probably top1000 (GM players) in ladder. Aligulac had something very similar the past month or so.

http://aligulac.com/reports/


Flawed statistic because its a lower percentile of terran players that gets matched up against a higher percentile of zerg/protoss players. Thus the terran players that faces the protoss/zergs are superioer relatively.

Source: Sc2ranks.com


I'm not the one who decided this stupid nerf .
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
November 10 2013 01:43 GMT
#663
I do hope the widow mine nerf doesn't end up being a huge deal, there have been mentions that it also helps terran when lings can't just wrap around the marines and cause as much friendly fire. Maybe it will balance itself out somewhat and terran will continue to see the same relative success.

One design issue with terran is how vulnerable it is in the early game compared to its opponents, this is something they should look at if terran starts underperforming after the patch.
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
November 10 2013 02:10 GMT
#664
When does the new patch come out? When the new season starts? Are both of those things happening on Tuesday during their regular maintenance window?
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wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1126 Posts
November 10 2013 05:47 GMT
#665
On November 10 2013 11:10 NKexquisite wrote:
When does the new patch come out? When the new season starts? Are both of those things happening on Tuesday during their regular maintenance window?


Hopefully...

I just played on one of the balance maps and the new roaches are super fun. Is this one season before a new season for WCS?
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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
November 10 2013 05:53 GMT
#666
On November 10 2013 14:47 wUndertUnge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 11:10 NKexquisite wrote:
When does the new patch come out? When the new season starts? Are both of those things happening on Tuesday during their regular maintenance window?


Hopefully...

I just played on one of the balance maps and the new roaches are super fun. Is this one season before a new season for WCS?

The BlizzCon SC2 panel said the update would come "next week" and the new map post for this season called it "the WCS off-season."
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wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1126 Posts
November 11 2013 17:25 GMT
#667
On November 10 2013 14:53 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 14:47 wUndertUnge wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:10 NKexquisite wrote:
When does the new patch come out? When the new season starts? Are both of those things happening on Tuesday during their regular maintenance window?


Hopefully...

I just played on one of the balance maps and the new roaches are super fun. Is this one season before a new season for WCS?

The BlizzCon SC2 panel said the update would come "next week" and the new map post for this season called it "the WCS off-season."


Cool, thanks for the info. So happy they're doing an off-season for balance feedback and map feedback. Should be a good time. And the perfect time to be getting back into SC. I took a 3 month break, and goddamn, it's like coming home.
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
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awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 11 2013 17:28 GMT
#668
I really like that Blizzard seems to have settled on the "off season" as the time to make balance patches. it gives everyone time to practice and get used to them, rather than instituting changes while tournaments are ongoing and upsetting everything in the process.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
November 11 2013 21:26 GMT
#669
On November 12 2013 02:28 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I really like that Blizzard seems to have settled on the "off season" as the time to make balance patches. it gives everyone time to practice and get used to them, rather than instituting changes while tournaments are ongoing and upsetting everything in the process.

I suppose IEM Singapore, Dreamhack winter, Redbull battlegrounds and Homestory cup don't count?
Because otherwise now is the time when plenty of tournaments happens just as the patch drops.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 21:31:40
November 11 2013 21:31 GMT
#670
On November 12 2013 06:26 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 02:28 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I really like that Blizzard seems to have settled on the "off season" as the time to make balance patches. it gives everyone time to practice and get used to them, rather than instituting changes while tournaments are ongoing and upsetting everything in the process.

I suppose IEM Singapore, Dreamhack winter, Redbull battlegrounds and Homestory cup don't count?
Because otherwise now is the time when plenty of tournaments happens just as the patch drops.


This sounds awfully and unnecessarily aggressive >.<

I love HSC and Dreamhack, and they are certainly important. But, as none of them award WCS points, which happen to lead to the big $100k first prize tournament, I think most pros would rather have it now as opposed to right before a big WCS event that could ultimately affect their performance in one of the lead-up tournaments.
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
November 11 2013 21:43 GMT
#671
Sorry for being aggressive then but Blizzard could have easily waited for new year period.
Doing a major patch with 5 off-line tournaments within a month is simply BS.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
November 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#672
Unless the friendly fire reduction turns out to be a buff, I think this matchup is gonna be really rough.

Tanks were only in wol because after you traded with banes, any damage you put in mutas remained. Now with regenmutas, tanks with 11% buff is not gonna trade well enough against banes to allow you to swing momentum against muta.

I suspect tank buff is only to address roach bane busts.
tpfkan
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#673
On November 12 2013 06:26 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 02:28 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I really like that Blizzard seems to have settled on the "off season" as the time to make balance patches. it gives everyone time to practice and get used to them, rather than instituting changes while tournaments are ongoing and upsetting everything in the process.

I suppose IEM Singapore, Dreamhack winter, Redbull battlegrounds and Homestory cup don't count?
Because otherwise now is the time when plenty of tournaments happens just as the patch drops.


All of those are weekend tournaments which don't tie into WCS. There's a big difference between patching the game now, vs. patching it while a WCS season is ongoing.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 11 2013 22:15 GMT
#674
On November 12 2013 07:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:26 pmp10 wrote:
On November 12 2013 02:28 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I really like that Blizzard seems to have settled on the "off season" as the time to make balance patches. it gives everyone time to practice and get used to them, rather than instituting changes while tournaments are ongoing and upsetting everything in the process.

I suppose IEM Singapore, Dreamhack winter, Redbull battlegrounds and Homestory cup don't count?
Because otherwise now is the time when plenty of tournaments happens just as the patch drops.


All of those are weekend tournaments which don't tie into WCS. There's a big difference between patching the game now, vs. patching it while a WCS season is ongoing.

The would be like Dota 2 and drop a massive patch during the semi finals? Patches have to happen at some point and tub can't be delayed for every single event, because there will always be another event.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:25:17
November 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#675
blizzard pls show some balls and use the PTR Server as a playground for fun. new. innovative stuff. maps ~
give lalushs micro a try. just try a different eco system. try to change the warpgate tech. try some bw units ... modify them for sc2 etc... add player cards to profil. purchase wcs player pics (30cents ... players earn some money etc).
the PTR can be so powerful.
JANGBI never forget
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