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Stop the League of Legends bashing. Temp bans will be handed out from now on. - Page 32.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
October 11 2013 09:24 GMT
#381
On October 11 2013 18:18 TheSayo182 wrote:
its not (only) about MKP, is about the whole situation, people lefting, wcs system, big teams with money problems,etc..

imho blizzard has to focus in investing in some huge team league instead/with of single tournaments, this should/could give new earnings to the teams directly, instead of giving them to a few bunch of players


If there were still a decent amount of people watching SC2, there would be money.

The only thing Blizzard can be blamed for is not listening when we were saying that SC2 had some serious flaws. I stayed around until HoTS's launch hoping that Blizzard would fix SC2 because I fucking love Starcraft. They did not, so now I play LoL and I lurk around TL's LoL section.

Please read FXOBoss's latest text concerning his decision with FXO Korea. Simply put, teams go well when they get sponsor money. Sponsors sponsor the teams when there are viewers. Viewers come naturally when they enjoy the game, WCS/GSL/MLG/Dreamhack or not.

If there is a demand for events and all, you can be sure that there will be money. Thing is, there is no demand anymore. Whenever I check the twitch viewers, Destiny playing SC2 grabs more than 50% of SC2 viewers, and Avilo has the highest number of viewers on the featured streamers. If I told you this in 2011, you would say there is no way at all (and so would I ), but there we are....
Dead game.
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 09:28:18
October 11 2013 09:27 GMT
#382
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
October 11 2013 09:27 GMT
#383
Players can switch games and be successful! Just look at all the previous BW progamers (who switched as SC2 was released) and how well they performed in SC2
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ScLight
Profile Joined July 2013
United States26 Posts
October 11 2013 09:28 GMT
#384
dam =/ no wonder MKP dropped off he never got knocked out of code s until season 2 wcs. man my favorite player is gone sad day for sc2 for sure
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 09:30:55
October 11 2013 09:29 GMT
#385
Quite a big gamble, I would be surprised if he makes it.

So far no sc2 player switching to LoL has been really succesful as far as I know. Contrary to popular belief here competition in LoL is very high.The only former sc2 players I know of that had at least moderate success in LoL where Rikytan and Nbs (the Lithuanian).
Off-season = best season
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
October 11 2013 09:29 GMT
#386
On October 11 2013 18:27 JonIrenicus wrote:
I feel like what disgusted him the most was the Broodlord infestor composition. Knowing that you probably wasted 1 years of your life knowing that there is a imbalance that Blizzard could have (at least) attempted to fix, and that Blizzard could do it again (and I'm 100% sure they will mess up purposely the balance before the upcoming of the expansion) would have made even me sick and willing to leave, for good.


I have a hard time believing the theory that Blizzard purposely fucks the game up until the 3rd expansion. Even if WoL was perfect, people would have still switched to HoTS.

Same thing with B.net 2.0, especially the 2010 version... The amount of people who left on the early stage of the game was unbelievable.

Now LoTV will be released and I, like many others, will not even bother with it. It's over..
Dead game.
[DVH]Huginn
Profile Joined July 2013
Netherlands32 Posts
October 11 2013 09:30 GMT
#387
One of the few Koreans I really liked to watch
Saddest news of the week i.m.o. even with the large amount of sad news presented to the SCII scene.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
October 11 2013 09:30 GMT
#388
Did someone realised that all those players who didn't get any achievements in last couple of months (and even more) are retiering, and those one who got some success are still in business? Bisu, Dragon, MKP, sC, Shuttle, which of them did rly succeded in HotS?
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 11 2013 09:32 GMT
#389
On October 11 2013 18:29 Redox wrote:
Quite a big gamble, I would be surprised if he makes it.

So far no sc2 player switching to LoL has been really succesful as far as I know. Contrary to popular belief here competition in LoL is very high.The only former sc2 players I know of that had at least moderate success in LoL where Rikytan and Nbs (the Lithuanian).

There are two players who are doing quite well.

Grape and Watch are both former SC players and doing quite well in LoL.
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Dubag
Profile Joined March 2006
Australia82 Posts
October 11 2013 09:33 GMT
#390
Why doesn't some dota2 Team pick up MKP? I mean, there are already several Korean SC2 Pro-Teams with Dota2 Teams (ST, MVP, FXO) and it could be a great popularity-booster for dota2. That's the kind of advertising that will really bring new Players and Viewers to your game and that's exactly where RIOT does everything right - I bet they got MKP an offer or sth. or maybe even the allure of the tons of Prize-money for a moderately hard to play game was enough.


Probably because he's under contract with PRIME and they have two LoL teams and zero Dota 2 teams.
I doubt Riot would worry about making 'offers' to SC2 players who wanted to come over and test the waters.
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Serendipityx
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States595 Posts
October 11 2013 09:35 GMT
#391
apparently hes already high diamond and hes only played for 3 months or something although the difference between diamond and professional in league i still noticeable. I still haven't seen a notable starcraft player successfully transition to league yet though so I won't expect him to accomplish much.
CloudMage
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada221 Posts
October 11 2013 09:35 GMT
#392
NOOOOOOOO whyyyyy! ATLEAST go to dota 2 instead of LoL!
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 09:36:44
October 11 2013 09:35 GMT
#393
Another piece of the SC2 scene dies. :-\

On October 11 2013 18:27 NeThZOR wrote:
Players can switch games and be successful! Just look at all the previous BW progamers (who switched as SC2 was released) and how well they performed in SC2


Going from BW to SC2 is arguably almost playing the same game with better graphics and easier UI.

Going from SC2 to LoL is a totally different ball game.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
October 11 2013 09:36 GMT
#394
On October 11 2013 17:29 fant0m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 16:56 sqrt wrote:
On October 11 2013 16:09 xtyxtbx wrote:
At least switch to Dota 2. This is embarrasing to the starcraft 2 community. At least I'd still hold lots of respect for going into a competitive game like dota 2. Don't get me wrong i respect marineking for his amazing games and effort he put into starcraft but this is just.... no.


But LoL is more competitive - more fans, more money, higher quality of tournaments.

And let's not pretend DotA is not casual - it was that map everyone played because they sucked at Warcraft.

As for the news - expected. There are not a lot more money than the SC2 scene and there is little incentive for new sponsors to chime in, moving to the biggest eSport game is the smart move.

Doesn't mean I won't miss him.



LoL worlds barely got more viewers than the TI3 finals. (LoL was at 1.4m, I don't remember exactly what the final number for TI3 was including all sources such as Highwind, but it was over 1m).

Considering the huge difference in player base, I think that pretty clearly shows that a lot of people think Dota is the better game to *watch* competitively. And if I'm a professional gamer, that's what I care about. Otherwise you'd be playing Candy Crush on Facebook if you decided based on the number of casual players.


bro.... at least do some fact checking. 1.4m was the concurrent viewer from last year. Riot estimated conservatively 6 million concurrent viewer during this year's final.
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
October 11 2013 09:37 GMT
#395
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Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
October 11 2013 09:38 GMT
#396
On October 11 2013 18:35 Nekovivie wrote:
Another piece of the SC2 scene dies. :-\

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 18:27 NeThZOR wrote:
Players can switch games and be successful! Just look at all the previous BW progamers (who switched as SC2 was released) and how well they performed in SC2


Going from BW to SC2 is arguably almost playing the same game with better graphics and easier UI.

Going from SC2 to LoL is a totally different ball game.



I don't even know what to say.
Dead game.
pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
October 11 2013 09:38 GMT
#397
On October 11 2013 18:29 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 18:27 JonIrenicus wrote:
I feel like what disgusted him the most was the Broodlord infestor composition. Knowing that you probably wasted 1 years of your life knowing that there is a imbalance that Blizzard could have (at least) attempted to fix, and that Blizzard could do it again (and I'm 100% sure they will mess up purposely the balance before the upcoming of the expansion) would have made even me sick and willing to leave, for good.


I have a hard time believing the theory that Blizzard purposely fucks the game up until the 3rd expansion. Even if WoL was perfect, people would have still switched to HoTS.

Same thing with B.net 2.0, especially the 2010 version... The amount of people who left on the early stage of the game was unbelievable.

Now LoTV will be released and I, like many others, will not even bother with it. It's over..

Regardless of your feeling about SC2's balance, design, and mechanics, there's no debating SC2 was and is infinitely more popular competitively and audience-wise in the foreign scene than SC1/BroodWar ever was.

It's just that the tables were flipped in Korea with SC2 from the very start, for a variety of well-documented reasons, and the current climate has been especially pessimistic.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
October 11 2013 09:39 GMT
#398
Fucks given: Zero.
Happy dooming and glooming everyone.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 11 2013 09:40 GMT
#399
On October 11 2013 18:38 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 18:35 Nekovivie wrote:
Another piece of the SC2 scene dies. :-\

On October 11 2013 18:27 NeThZOR wrote:
Players can switch games and be successful! Just look at all the previous BW progamers (who switched as SC2 was released) and how well they performed in SC2


Going from BW to SC2 is arguably almost playing the same game with better graphics and easier UI.

Going from SC2 to LoL is a totally different ball game.



I don't even know what to say.


1v1 RTS to 1v1 RTS with the same mechanics. No need to pedantic.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 11 2013 09:40 GMT
#400
Sad to see such a personality go but his style of Sc2 always had a rather low ceiling and as players got better and better he didn't. A game where he can just micro all day without worrying about macro or multitasking seems like a better fit for him to be honest.
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