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United States33432 Posts
According to some competitors, the current season of WCS EU Challenger League will not give direct seeds into Premier.
On October 02 2013 20:57 Starbuck- wrote:
This season you can't qualify from Season 3 challenger to Premier league season 1 - 2014.
If you finish top at challenger, you get better seed for the qualifiers for Premier, so it's like that
Qualify for challenger (or drop from premier ) --- > Play and try to finish first (top 8) --------> another qualifiers only for top players from challenger.
So it's gonna be really hard to come back in Premier once your out...
I hate Blizzard, this makes rly no sense to do something like that ...
On October 02 2013 23:09 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 22:50 umade wrote:
Can someone actually provide a source to 2014 WCS having new qualifiers and that you won't go up to PL through this seasons' CL? they sent an email to every player in which they explain it and also said that they will announce more changes for wcs 2014 in the near future.
Dayshi: https://www.facebook.com/sc2dayshi/posts/519242961493824"For those who wonder why I played Random, don't panic  First of all you know that at the moment I can barely play StarCraft between 18:00 and 23:00 because of Free (french ISP) / Battle.net Then the last Challenger League doesn't offer a direct spot in Premier League Season 4 (very few people know that, alas) So don't worry, I'm still Terran :D"
On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier.
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I think that's kind of dumb. Hopefully it's just EU
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well, i'm not a fan of the current system, so i hope they do something to change things up..but we'll have to see what happens in the future as to whether this really makes sense
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United States23455 Posts
Well honestly there is no reason this would happen unless they plan on doing some restructuring of the league for 2014 right? Could be a good thing.
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Players who get first of Challenger have a better seed... such a good gift.
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Blizzard killing SC2. You heard it here first folks.
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On October 03 2013 05:02 geokilla wrote:
Blizzard killing SC2. You heard it here first folks.
We've been hearing that all year lol
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Canada1637 Posts
Well, if they were to do something like say all the players competing in regions they don't have residency/citizenship are no longer eligible, this type of warning seems appropriate. The question is, will they pull the trigger?
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Honestly, while I agree that the WCS system is meh, I would rather Blizzard focus on improving the game itself than not focus on the biggest thing hurting the scene's -- effectively the game's -- longevity.
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It's not just this Challenger Season that is not feeding into next season's Premier, even this Premier Season will not feed into next season's Premier. I think they will restart everything due to some huge upcoming changes. Possiblities would be a region lock of some sort, which will make it impossible for lots of players currently in Premier to attend next season.
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So whats the point of challenger then?
Dafuq?
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how the koreans on EU and NA premier will be back to korea?? a giant qualify for first gsl of the year?? or they are screwed?
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On October 03 2013 05:08 cladoliver wrote:
how the koreans on EU and NA premier will be back to korea?? a giant qualify for first gsl of the year?? or they are screwed?
They could also move to EU or NA.
edit: In the original announcement of the WCS, it was explicitely written that blizzard aims to make everything offline next year. So something like a soft region lock shouldn't come with a surprise.
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If they aren't transitioning the Challenger league players to Premier league, there must be some restructuring going on for 2014.
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maybe preparing for big changes (region lock?)
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This has been talked a million years ago in Korean websites. I posted the article. Few people gave a shit back then.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
So basically there's zero reason to care about this season of challenger? I guess this helped influence MVP's decision to forfeit.
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On October 03 2013 05:05 JustPassingBy wrote:
It's not just this Challenger Season that is not feeding into next season's Premier, even this Premier Season will not feed into next season's Premier. I think they will restart everything due to some huge upcoming changes. Possiblities would be a region lock of some sort, which will make it impossible for lots of players currently in Premier to attend next season.
Source? If that's true, then there's no point of Challenger league or anything to begin with, aside from getting WCS points for this year's Blizzcon and a couple hundred bucks.
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Speculation on rumors about a season taking place next year. I think anyone acting like this is final might be jumping the gun.
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In other words it's making everyone play in the premier league qualifiers that will be in 2014 after the region lock... Even though the region lock will make for less exciting games at next year's season finals and global finals.
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Well this surely does seem like region locking.
I just can't believe GOM would be okay with this. I'd be very surprised if that applied for GSL too.
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sounds to me like they want to change something up drastically so players that switched region can easily switch for the next year.
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I must say this is very confusing, maybe blizzard show release a book or pdf files intitled How does It work here are blizzard
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Well it makes sense, since many will probably have to switch regions etc. I don't mind this too much. The qualifer seeds are a nice extra, I thought they were only playing for some extra money and points at this point in challenger.
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On October 03 2013 05:15 FeyFey wrote:
sounds to me like they want to change something up drastically so players that switched region can easily switch for the next year.
That's a really good point that people switching regions would be back to square one if the rules remain the same. I bet it's only for the first season.
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On October 03 2013 05:13 Aunvilgod wrote:
Well this surely does seem like region locking.
I just can't believe GOM would be okay with this. I'd be very surprised if that applied for GSL too.
I'm willing to bet that GSL isn't affecting seeing how foreigners aren't playing in WCS Korea... Unless it does something like transfer the Koreans in AM/EU Premier/Challenger to Korea Premier/Challenger qualifiers.
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its hilarious and pathetic the lengths they will go to to keep the koreans out. What will happen if more koreans actually move to north america and europe like MC and MMA and they still keep winning? are you then going to ban them from tournaments because of their ethnicity? the "residency and region lock" argument wont work anymore.. lol
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Wow that would really suck, I hope that's not for KR...
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WCS system is so bad, it is lessening opportunity in SC2 esports...
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On October 03 2013 05:20 for_the_swarm wrote:
its hilarious and pathetic the lengths they will go to to keep the koreans out. What will happen if more koreans actually move to north america and europe like MC and MMA and they still keep winning? are you then going to ban them from tournaments because of their ethnicity? the "residency and region lock" argument wont work anymore.. lol
We will love them, because they moved, rather than visited for 3 weeks and left with whatever prize money they could win. Everyone loves Polt.
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there might be some kind of plan behind that, let´s just wait and see for once...
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On October 03 2013 05:24 PsionicLord wrote:
WCS system is so bad, it is lessening opportunity in SC2 esports...
Hey. It's a lot more opportunity for Koreans to make money than before... and foreigners. Even if Koreans take 27 of the foreign premier league spots.
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Seriously.... 100% agree with plansix I don't think there is a single american that doesn't love the fact that polt has moved here and is competing under the AM flag
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Hopefully its to introduce a region lock. Seems like that could be the only way to eliminate the seeds.
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France7248 Posts
I'll wait for the official announcement but it sounds like a really stupid idea
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On October 03 2013 05:20 for_the_swarm wrote:
its hilarious and pathetic the lengths they will go to to keep the koreans out. What will happen if more koreans actually move to north america and europe like MC and MMA and they still keep winning? are you then going to ban them from tournaments because of their ethnicity? the "residency and region lock" argument wont work anymore.. lol
Limiting the number of people from the same nation competing in a WC tournament is standard in sports. I'm not for locking or limiting anything, just make ro32 offline, just saying it would be normal and not racist or stupid.
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Netherlands165 Posts
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier.
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That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues).
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United States97276 Posts
I'm interested in seeing what/how many changes there will be 2014
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On October 03 2013 05:30 Pirfiktshon wrote:Seriously.... 100% agree with plansix I don't think there is a single american that doesn't love the fact that polt has moved here and is competing under the AM flag
I have no problem declaring any Korean an all America SC2 hero. Just move over, rent an apartment and try our beer and food. Play on our ladder and make our scene better. But coming over for 3 weeks is not what I am looking for.
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On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier.
Whaaaat, removing challenger completely? So code A gone? That's some big news right here.
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The GSL tournament format has always felt a bit forced in the other regions in my humble opinion. The community has been trashing Blizzard with fury recently and rightfully so, I hope they really get their act together and this move might be the first step of many.
Not many people have hope for the scene according to the forums and I don't like when the internet mob talk trash like they know everything what's going to happen with certainty.
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On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier.
Meh. o_o
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To be fair it makes sense to restart everything if they are planning on doing a region lock. While it would be nice to make this years challenger important, it would be quite a hassle to look who is going to play where and everything. And one should not underestimate being seeded in a 1000 person bracket, makes for a lot less games and way more relaxing 
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On October 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:30 Pirfiktshon wrote:Seriously.... 100% agree with plansix I don't think there is a single american that doesn't love the fact that polt has moved here and is competing under the AM flag I have no problem declaring any Korean an all America SC2 hero. Just move over, rent an apartment and try our beer and food. Play on our ladder and make our scene better. But coming over for 3 weeks is not what I am looking for.
I guess that is what the region lock is meant to stop (hopefully). Though sometimes i do wonder what would have happened if wcs would have just been a teamleague with weekly matches and each team like say 6 or 8 "pros" on them, and keep the gsl/osl/dreamhack/nasl/mlg/iem and all those as the individuals. I feel region locking teams would be much easier than players, who might just want to move around :/.
But yeah i think if someone is willing to actually MOVE country, i see no reason to stop them.
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lets just hope that this means that there will be some changes to the current system, perhaps something which will make it even more awesome :D!!
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Very puzzling, I can't even begin to guess which changes they will implement.
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On October 03 2013 05:35 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier. Whaaaat, removing challenger completely? So code A gone? That's some big news right here.
If that is true, I can imagine it will be a gigantic qualfier for 24 spots after every season and only top8 from the previous season stays in. That might lead to some insanely amazing qualifiers but I feel this screws over the players right now who are competing in Challenger. Atleast the turnover from season to season would be more drastic than 8 players.
And it can be said for certain this wont apply to Korea, Blizzard wouldnt dare to pull something like this there.
E: Oh and it puts heavy pressure on Korean players competing in foreign regions, you wouldnt want to play in one of these gigantic and stacked qualifiers if you are playing from Korea.
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Canada16217 Posts
seems like they don't care at all about challenger, wcs am starts in under 2 hours and they don't even have the bracket posted with the matches. apparently the 5 matches they were casting today were said at the end of last nights premier broadcast but it's not posted on the website(battle.net wcs portal or nasl's) so it makes sense about what will happen to challenger league if it's true about NA too which it probably is, I don't think the same will happen to korea though.
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On October 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:30 Pirfiktshon wrote:Seriously.... 100% agree with plansix I don't think there is a single american that doesn't love the fact that polt has moved here and is competing under the AM flag I have no problem declaring any Korean an all America SC2 hero. Just move over, rent an apartment and try our beer and food. Play on our ladder and make our scene better. But coming over for 3 weeks is not what I am looking for.
Yea pretty much hahaha Heck if I had the room I'd let them stay with me to just bolster the NA scene hahahahaha
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United States33432 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues).
translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP!
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Stupid blizztards 
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Let's respond to the stream of retiring players with provking more players, including up and coming ones, to retire.
Damn, I hope this stays in EU. That's bad enough if it takes off, but better than it being implemented everywhere. Hopefully it's implemented nowhere in the end.
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On October 03 2013 05:43 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:35 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier. Whaaaat, removing challenger completely? So code A gone? That's some big news right here. If that is true, I can imagine it will be a gigantic qualfier for 24 spots after every season and only top8 from the previous season stays in. That might lead to some insanely amazing qualifiers but I feel this screws over the players right now who are competing in Challenger. Atleast the turnover from season to season would be more drastic than 8 players. And it can be said for certain this wont apply to Korea, Blizzard wouldnt dare to pull something like this there.
I would prefer a 16/16 distribution (16 from Premier, 16 from qualifiers). 8:24 seems very harsh. But I kinda approve the removal of Challenger League. It takes too much time and participates a lot in the WCS oversaturation.
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Ok bitter and Rotterdam seem to be pretty positive about this on twitter. I'm not that worried and I want to see how Blizzard is switching it up.
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On October 03 2013 05:43 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:35 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 05:32 uThermal wrote:
They are removing challenger league and only making a premier league, the results in challenger league this season will only provide seeds for the premier league qualifier. Whaaaat, removing challenger completely? So code A gone? That's some big news right here. If that is true, I can imagine it will be a gigantic qualfier for 24 spots after every season and only top8 from the previous season stays in. That might lead to some insanely amazing qualifiers but I feel this screws over the players right now who are competing in Challenger. Atleast the turnover from season to season would be more drastic than 8 players. And it can be said for certain this wont apply to Korea, Blizzard wouldnt dare to pull something like this there. E: Oh and it puts heavy pressure on Korean players competing in foreign regions, you wouldnt want to play in one of these gigantic and stacked qualifiers if you are playing from Korea.
Qualifier tournament with RO2096.
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wow, blizzard sees their retarded system killing their own game, whats their solution ? make the an even more retarded system
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Canada16217 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP!
of those who wondered WHY!!? it's simply because i have 15 spikes/mins beetwen 6pm-11pm & challenger bracket does not matter so much. GG!
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France7248 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP!
Ensuite, la dernière Challenger league n'apporte pas de spot direct pour la Premier League S4 (peu de gens le savent, helas)
=> The last Challenger league [the one being played now] does'nt give any direct seed for the Premier League S4 (sadly, few people know about it)
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On October 03 2013 05:44 NovemberstOrm wrote:
seems like they don't care at all about challenger, wcs am starts in under 2 hours and they don't even have the bracket posted with the matches. apparently the 5 matches they were casting today were said at the end of last nights premier broadcast but it's not posted on the website(battle.net wcs portal or nasl's) so it makes sense about what will happen to challenger league if it's true about NA too which it probably is, I don't think the same will happen to korea though.
Its sad really, the players in challenger league are no doubt about as strong as the premier players but from a broadcasting and announcement standpoint they are screwed over season after season.
ESL announced the challenger groups last season a single day before they started, they outsourced the broadcast to someone else(and notably worse, significantly) even though they have 2 full-time casters hired (apollo specifically for WCS).
NASL and MLG did horrible jobs with their qualifiers, nobody knew they were even happening, no public brackets etc. At least their broadcasts are the same level as the Premier broadcasts, but atrocious are both (premier and challenger).
All in all challenger league was shit (as blunt as it sounds) and its sad, there couldve been done so much more
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I don't think Blizzard really has much of a clue about what they're doing. I'm not impressed with their company AT ALL, and I think they're just a bunch of gaming nerds flailing their arms in a capitalist world. They need some consultant help...badly.
WCS is killing SC2 in the Korean scene, it is killing the foreign scene because Korean players are going to EU and NA but not actually moving there, and it is killing sponsorships. To be taken over by games like LoL and DotA is just embarrassing in my opinion--they're not even good, which shows just how bad Blizzard is running things for the only RTS game around.
tl;dr: Blizzard can't even succeed with a monopoly. smh
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I like having a more structured kind of tournament. However, it really fucked every other tournament. I mean, this year we've had what, three DH tournaments and we're going to have a IEM and then? I honestly can't remember any other since the start of WCS.
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Guys.
I don't know what some of the players are talking about, because the statement Blizzard gave them doesn't say half the things they are claiming.
Don't speculate, just wait for Blizzard to release something officially.
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On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP!
People wonder why I played random. First of all you know that I can't play Starcraft between 6.PM and 11.PM thanks to B.net/Free ( French ISP ). Then the last Challenger League doesn't bring you in Premier League for 2014. and a few people know this fact.
Don't wory, I stay Terran.
Bad translation but still a translation
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I'm sure there's a reason for this. I'm confidant that it's a good reason too.
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Canada16217 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:50 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP! People wonder why I played random. First of all you know that I can't play Starcraft between 6.PM and 11.PM thanks to B.net/Free ( French ISP ). Then the last Challenger League doesn't bring you in Premier League for 2014. and a few people know this fact. Don't wory, I stay Terran. Bad translation but still a translation
wait what about that isp thing? for what reason is that? o.O
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On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP!
"For those who wonder why I played Random, don't panic First of all you know that at the moment I can barely play StarCraft between 18:00 and 23:00 because of Free (french ISP) / Battle.net Then the last Challenger League doesn't offer a direct spot in Premier League Season 4 (very few people know that, alas) So don't worry, I'm still Terran :D"
https://www.facebook.com/sc2dayshi/posts/519242961493824
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On October 03 2013 05:51 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:50 Aeromi wrote:On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP! People wonder why I played random. First of all you know that I can't play Starcraft between 6.PM and 11.PM thanks to B.net/Free ( French ISP ). Then the last Challenger League doesn't bring you in Premier League for 2014. and a few people know this fact. Don't wory, I stay Terran. Bad translation but still a translation wait what about that isp thing? for what reason is that? o.O
Free obviously reduced french connections because they has issues with YouTube/Twitch and thanks to that you have a shitty ping and you can't play.
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SC2 isn't huge like soccer where you can have a Champions and Europa league, and Premier/Championship leagues, etc. Even LoL LCS doesn't have any sort of minor league. Challenger makes no sense for a game as small as SC2, glad to see it go.
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On October 03 2013 05:50 messioso wrote:
Guys.
I don't know what some of the players are talking about, because the statement Blizzard gave them doesn't say half the things they are claiming.
Don't speculate, just wait for Blizzard to release something officially.
Thanks for your input messioso, I guess you know more than you can share with us.
So I guess its soon-tm.
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United States33432 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:52 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP! Show nested quote +"For those who wonder why I played Random, don't panic First of all you know that at the moment I can barely play StarCraft between 18:00 and 23:00 because of Free (french ISP) / Battle.net Then the last Challenger League doesn't offer a direct spot in Premier League Season 4 (very few people know that, alas) So don't worry, I'm still Terran :D" https://www.facebook.com/sc2dayshi/posts/519242961493824
yay :D
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On October 03 2013 05:53 Cheren wrote:
SC2 isn't huge like soccer where you can have a Champions and Europa league, and Premier/Championship leagues, etc. Even LoL LCS doesn't have any sort of minor league. Challenger makes no sense for a game as small as SC2, glad to see it go.
I agree, 3 entire leagues with Premier/Challenger gather too many players given the size of the scene. I'd prefer a removal of Challenger League and an addition of a 4th region (Asia/Oceania).
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On October 03 2013 05:54 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:50 messioso wrote:
Guys.
I don't know what some of the players are talking about, because the statement Blizzard gave them doesn't say half the things they are claiming.
Don't speculate, just wait for Blizzard to release something officially. Thanks for your input messioso, I guess you know more than you can share with us. So I guess its soon-tm.
You think we would have learned by now, that pro players get shit wrong all the time. Them they say it on twitter and confuse everyone.
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I wouldn't be overly concerned about it like messioso said until blizz releases something official
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Yeah, im fairly sure players weren't suppossed to speak about this, there are changes coming to the format of WCS next year. Blizzard is doing all they can to improve the system, this is good news, not bad. Just sucks for players that got into challenger through qualifiers, everyone else should've known what was going on beforehand.
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Canada16217 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:54 NovaMB wrote:On October 03 2013 05:50 messioso wrote:
Guys.
I don't know what some of the players are talking about, because the statement Blizzard gave them doesn't say half the things they are claiming.
Don't speculate, just wait for Blizzard to release something officially. Thanks for your input messioso, I guess you know more than you can share with us. So I guess its soon-tm. You think we would have learned by now, that pro players get shit wrong all the time. Them they say it on twitter and confuse everyone.
multiple players have said this, it seems accurate.
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Well, some kind of stronger region locking is coming for certain. The current model isn't very exciting for most and it has pretty much completely destroyed the NA scene.
I don't think we will be given more details until Blizzcon though.
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On October 03 2013 05:13 Aunvilgod wrote:
Well this surely does seem like region locking.
I just can't believe GOM would be okay with this. I'd be very surprised if that applied for GSL too.
GOM would be the only ones profiting from a region lock.
if all the Koreans that are currently playing in WCS AM and EU would move back to WCS KR, not only would the level of competition in WCS EU and especially WCS AM be greatly diminshed, but the level of WCS KR would be even higher and it would feel like the most exclusive, awesome thing ever (which it is). if anything, NASL should be scared of a region lock more than anyone.
but we don't even know what's going to end up happening here. so i suggest we just lean back and wait.
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France7248 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:54 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:52 Boucot wrote:On October 03 2013 05:45 Waxangel wrote:On October 03 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
That's what Dayshi said on Facebook yesterday night as an explanation about the fact that he played random vs LucifroN (besides the lag issues). translate his post and post it here and I'll put it in the OP! "For those who wonder why I played Random, don't panic First of all you know that at the moment I can barely play StarCraft between 18:00 and 23:00 because of Free (french ISP) / Battle.net Then the last Challenger League doesn't offer a direct spot in Premier League Season 4 (very few people know that, alas) So don't worry, I'm still Terran :D" yay :D
you should add messioso's post to OP too. He knows better than anyone else here
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I really hope, WCS dont give wcs points anymore to DH, MLG, NASL, IEM etc...
This was just terrible and killed everything. We need a lot more independence.
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Does anybody at all like this?
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the only thing that is certain is the fact that you don't get into premier directly from this challenger season but it still has some impact on it. that's basically all blizzard told the wcs players.
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On October 03 2013 06:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
Does anybody at all like this?
I dont as it made this challenger a bit less interesting
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On October 03 2013 06:03 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
the only thing that is certain is the fact that you don't get into premier directly from this challenger season but it still has some impact on it. that's basically all blizzard told the wcs players.
Of course, but you know, this is TL, so we need not one, not two, not three, but five separate people telling how the new system sucks even more (when they don't even know what it is yet).
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On October 03 2013 05:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:56 Plansix wrote:On October 03 2013 05:54 NovaMB wrote:On October 03 2013 05:50 messioso wrote:
Guys.
I don't know what some of the players are talking about, because the statement Blizzard gave them doesn't say half the things they are claiming.
Don't speculate, just wait for Blizzard to release something officially. Thanks for your input messioso, I guess you know more than you can share with us. So I guess its soon-tm. You think we would have learned by now, that pro players get shit wrong all the time. Them they say it on twitter and confuse everyone. multiple players have said this, it seems accurate.
I am sure some parts are accurate. It's only part of what is going on however. It's half the info needed to form an opinion.
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So does anybody know when Blizzard will announce something about the new format?
Soonish?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 03 2013 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So does anybody know when Blizzard will announce something about the new format?
Soonish?
Knowing blizzard they will announce it around May 2014.
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Canada13389 Posts
On October 03 2013 06:03 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
the only thing that is certain is the fact that you don't get into premier directly from this challenger season but it still has some impact on it. that's basically all blizzard told the wcs players.
I wouldn't mind if challenger league goes away to be honest, and instead we get a high turnover qualification system with seeding from one premiere to the next for the top placing players.
The money being spent on challenger would be better invested into other things like daily or weekly cups linked to ladder worth small sums for a win and other such things for players NOT in premiere league. So those that aren't in premiere can do stuff. With the challenger league not taking up so much broadcasting time it also opens up the scene to more tournaments and personal player streams once again which is what we had more of before WCS 2013 really kicked into gear.
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On October 03 2013 06:10 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So does anybody know when Blizzard will announce something about the new format?
Soonish? Knowing blizzard they will announce it around May 2014 2015.
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On October 03 2013 06:05 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:03 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
the only thing that is certain is the fact that you don't get into premier directly from this challenger season but it still has some impact on it. that's basically all blizzard told the wcs players. Of course, but you know, this is TL, so we need not one, not two, not three, but five separate people telling how the new system sucks even more (when they don't even know what it is yet).
And at least 5 more people talking about flawed design and bnet 2.0. We got to get our hate on based on little to no information.
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Most likely during or after Blizzcon
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I don't think happyzerg got the mail .
Sviatoslav Vlasiuk @HappyZerg1 1m
I DID IT! I WON #WCS CHALLENGER LEAGUE! :D I am soooooooooo happy right now :D!
+ Show Spoiler +Just kidding, huge congrats, winning here is still great! The guy deserves it, just sad it wasn't in season 2.
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Well it's not as though anybody watches challenger for NA and EU. It makes way more sense for those regions to just have premier qualifiers.
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On October 03 2013 05:20 for_the_swarm wrote:
its hilarious and pathetic the lengths they will go to to keep the koreans out. What will happen if more koreans actually move to north america and europe like MC and MMA and they still keep winning? are you then going to ban them from tournaments because of their ethnicity? the "residency and region lock" argument wont work anymore.. lol
They? Blizzard is only doing this (if they even are) because most people wanted region locks. Don`t act as if Blizzard always wanted this because they could have done that this season.
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On October 03 2013 06:15 GoodSirTets wrote:
Well it's not as though anybody watches challenger for NA and EU. It makes way more sense for those regions to just have premier qualifiers.
lots of people watch challenger but it's hard to care when the organizers don't actually care and it shows.
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My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!!
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Makes sense why Mvp forfeited if this is true. Hopefully he will return to Korea in 2014 and get that G5L before he retires.
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On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!!
I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out.
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On October 03 2013 06:12 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:10 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So does anybody know when Blizzard will announce something about the new format?
Soonish? Knowing blizzard they will announce it around May 2014 2015.
The announcement will be made during the commercials of the Warcraft movie, december 2015.
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Holy shit, allot of stuff happening all at once O_o.
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On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out.
I don't know what gives you such confidence.
What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3?
There are less and less RTS coming out year by year.
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Hopefully we get some info from Blizz and we don't have to wait til Blizzcon to hear about all next years plans.
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On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year.
What else are people who like RTS'es supposed to watch if not starcraft2?
As long as there is no competition in the RTS scene... starcraft2 wont completely die out. And so far only hope's for competition is probably WC4 or that day9+artillery project ( but both of those are at concept stage at best so far ).
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Wat in the F is the point of the challenger league then?? Just give better seeding? C'mon thats dumb, I really dont like where the scene is goin anymore....
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On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year.
Well Blizzard has a monopoly on competitive rts games and warcraft and starcraft are two of their biggest franchises. There are way less successful games out there getting sequels. Less and less rts coming out is the reason why sc and wc will stay successful while every other publishers focuses on mobas. It's a niche. I think there will always be a healthy but maybe smaller rts scene, and Blizzard are the best when it comes to rts.
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Can't we just blow up Blizzard HQ, pirate SC2 (and call it like Intergalactic Wars) and just run SC2 ourselves? Seriously, this is ridiculous. Maybe this is why Naniwa lost his match - cause it doesn't mean jack shit and we know what Naniwa likes to do when his matches don't mean jack shit (PROBE RUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH).
But in all seriousness, if we pirate SC2 and run it ourselves, we can actually get some good game changes (as well as redesigning Protoss) and revitalize the damned thing ourselves. Or we can just say fuck it, and remake Brood War with up-to-date graphics.
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Canada16217 Posts
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Shit nvm. Was thinking of Grubby and TLO. ><
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On October 03 2013 06:56 RyLai wrote:
cause it doesn't mean jack shit and we know what Naniwa likes to do when his matches don't mean jack shit (PROBE RUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH).
If MC and duckdeok both lose in ro8, naniwa jumps from 15th to 13th place if he places 1-8th in challenger league thanks to those extra 75 points.
Those 75 points possibly can earn him a blizzcon spot.
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Hmmmm. No challenger league, eh? Just qualifiers?
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It's a good thing.
You can't change a bad system if you are reluctant to things as basic as who get seeds.
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of all the suggestions for fixing WCS, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "kill Code A"
good job
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Johto4952 Posts
well, what really sucks in my eyes is Blizzards information policy. Why not release this information public?
If there will be a shitstorm for the changes, it will come, no matter when the information is released, but if they don't release the information, the shitstorm will come even if their news are good ones, just because noone knows for sure what will be changed.
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Chinese SC2 players becomes collateral damage yet again.
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On October 03 2013 06:56 RyLai wrote:
Can't we just blow up Blizzard HQ, pirate SC2 (and call it like Intergalactic Wars) and just run SC2 ourselves? Seriously, this is ridiculous. Maybe this is why Naniwa lost his match - cause it doesn't mean jack shit and we know what Naniwa likes to do when his matches don't mean jack shit (PROBE RUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH).
But in all seriousness, if we pirate SC2 and run it ourselves, we can actually get some good game changes (as well as redesigning Protoss) and revitalize the damned thing ourselves. Or we can just say fuck it, and remake Brood War with up-to-date graphics.
Don't be silly we could never keep the game balanced. I mean the community already seems split whether to make the game mechanically harder or not, what importance strategy should play compared to mechanics and so on. Plus the balance whine with every single recommended change. The community is too large to find a good balance there.
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On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year.
WC and SC are both very successful brands that sold well. There will be successors, I'd bet on that - even if RTS' popularity is declining and more casual friendly games such as Mobas are on the rise. To each his own, I guess.
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Just kill WCS. Please. It's not helping anything, and it's becoming increasingly obvious that Blizzard has no idea what they're doing with it. I don't often say things like that, and I think SC2 as a game is great, but WCS!2013-version is hopeless.
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This basically shows that blizzard has absolutely no idea what they will do for next year, the only thing they are sure about is throwing away current system. So current wcs system is a confirmed fail.
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It's kinda funny how everyone took one look at new WCS and said it was a bad idea. Lo and behold a year later, it's a bad idea.
However, removing challenger league is intriguing. We'll see where that goes.
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I wonder whether the high player fluctuation especially in wcs EU is the reason behind this.
either way, relax, blizz is up to something and there is no need in speculating about 2014 when october 2013 barely started.
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On October 03 2013 05:04 purakushi wrote:
Honestly, while I agree that the WCS system is meh, I would rather Blizzard focus on improving the game itself than not focus on the biggest thing hurting the scene's -- effectively the game's -- longevity.
Is it David Kim & Co. who plan WCS, though? Not saying it isn't (because I don't know for sure, but somehow I doubt it), but if they don't, then that argument makes zero sense and I've seen lots of similar arguments so that's why I'm ratting it out. Arguments along the line of "Something is good, while something more important is bad, so I wish they would've made the important thing good instead while sacrificing the unimportant thing" when it's obvious that there's absolutely no chance that there could ever be such a trade-off. If it's not the same people doing both jobs, then ditching one job isn't going to improve the quality of the other job. So, unless the game developers also try to run WCS while balancing HotS and developing LotV, then downscaling WCS will have zero impact on gameplay. It's not like Blizzard is a sentient entity that's only able to focus on one thing at a time. It consists of several persons and if two persons are not working in a tight team, then those one person will be able to do his job regardless of how much or little the other person is focusing on his work.
A similar example: You wouldn't expect Diablo 3 to have been a better game overall, if they had skipped the orchestral soundtrack in order to focus on gameplay, would you? Because there's absolutely no chance that those musicians would have come in and improved the gameplay instead of playing music. So unless David Kim and crew has to take time out of their game development in order to plan and/or run WCS, then it makes absolutely no sense to say that Blizzard should focus on gameplay instead of WCS, because there's no chance of a trade-off there.
(Of course, if it truly is David Kim who plans WCS, then my own post is a waste of space, but I'll take my chances).
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I like the idea of WCS, and I like the idea of having a Premier League only. However, I do not like how they literally hijacked everyones shit and said "there is only WCS and a few other large tournaments. They should have had GSL, OSL, and WCS as their own separate entity, GOM and Ongamenet swapping who does WCS each season while the other would do their own tournament.
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WCS like last year was just so good...
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On October 03 2013 06:41 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year. What else are people who like RTS'es supposed to watch if not starcraft2? As long as there is no competition in the RTS scene... starcraft2 wont completely die out. And so far only hope's for competition is probably WC4 or that day9+artillery project ( but both of those are at concept stage at best so far ).
You can watch Brood war
On subject it's really bad for a lot a reason at the moment (because of what we know. Meaning we know nothing) but production value for challenger is quite bad. Caster droping, games without sound or without video (it was quite weard). When it happens in premier league they fix what they can but it was really amateurish. Also ZG did a nice job games where weird. Happy Game 2 anyone ?
But keep in mind it's the first year of WCS. THey said they will change thing. They just didn't say what. I have hope. A lot of people are hating on blizzard but they will deliver. Not everyone will be happy but i'm sure i will.
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On October 03 2013 06:41 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year. What else are people who like RTS'es supposed to watch if not starcraft2? As long as there is no competition in the RTS scene... starcraft2 wont completely die out. And so far only hope's for competition is probably WC4 or that day9+artillery project ( but both of those are at concept stage at best so far ).
Isn't a F2P C&C coming out soon ?
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On October 03 2013 06:41 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year. What else are people who like RTS'es supposed to watch if not starcraft2? As long as there is no competition in the RTS scene... starcraft2 wont completely die out. And so far only hope's for competition is probably WC4 or that day9+artillery project ( but both of those are at concept stage at best so far ).
that what? never heard of that before, got a link or something?
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On October 03 2013 18:44 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:41 rename wrote:On October 03 2013 06:38 TaishiCi wrote:On October 03 2013 06:28 Musicus wrote:On October 03 2013 06:24 TaishiCi wrote:
My prediction is that there will be a region lock (residency), but EU/NA challenger league will be gone.
KR Code S and A will receive a big boost in funding compared to EU/NA, maybe even adding on another league.
Everything is offline.
24/7 WCS stream with variety of content from the Premiere Leagues and Challenger league.
Hope: They will add on a team league system similar to LCS.
Bottom line: The scene is going to be much smaller in the player pool.
There will be less overall broadcast games by WCS.
Scaling down content amount and increasing the quality of the content will keep the scene alive for another year at least.
In the end: The scene is going to limp along until the release of LoTV at least.
Significant improvements are needed in LoTV to grow the scene.
THERE WILL BE PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 FOR ANOTHER YEAR!!!!! I guarantee you professional SC2 at least until wc4 or sc3 comes out. I don't know what gives you such confidence. What gives you the confidence that there will be a wc4 or sc3? There are less and less RTS coming out year by year. What else are people who like RTS'es supposed to watch if not starcraft2? As long as there is no competition in the RTS scene... starcraft2 wont completely die out. And so far only hope's for competition is probably WC4 or that day9+artillery project ( but both of those are at concept stage at best so far ). that what? never heard of that before, got a link or something?
I guess he was talking about this. Not sure what the game will be like when it's done but they work with Day9 as their RTS expert for ideas / input about the game.
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I don't get the idea of that change. Let's see how it turns out. I guess bad, Blizzard has a reputation to defend.
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On October 03 2013 16:47 Lazzi wrote:
WCS like last year was just so good...
No, it was horrible.
The WCS KR nationals was watchable, but the rest of it was just "wow I wonder who will win? this euro dude noone has heard about or this real actual korean pro?"
(But yeah, it was only KR toss vs foreign zerg so the foreigners had a small chance until parting pulled the soul train pPpp)
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Oh yeez. I wonder how this will work out.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
Just wait for Blizzard to announce what's up, stop the fucking witchhunt and saying Blizzard is killing esports. It's not them, it's you whiny sissies saying I NO LIKE WCS FORMAT, I NO WATCH SC2 NO MOAR.
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DES: WCS 2014 will be region-lock with bigger prize pool. Korean teams criticize.
According to DES, the Korean esports media, WCS 2014 will be region-lock. Only the Korean players that are in foreign teams which have team house in non-Korean countries can participate in non-Korean regions.
Many western teams have been notified about the reform (translator: as seen by some NA/EU players' comments).
An anonymous person said that "Blizzard has negotiated with many teams. Most teams want region-lock, because NA/EU are occupied by Korean."
People in Korean esports criticize this decision. They think that it will further shrink the survival space of Korean players, and sponsors will lose interest.
But the good news is that the prize pool will increase. WCS KR will return to GSL level prize pool. And season finals and global finals will have higher prize pool than this year.
Source: http://s.163.com/13/1009/22/9APFGNQH00314Q8M.html
Korean source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=439&article_id=0000000610&date=20131009&page=5
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On October 10 2013 02:56 larse wrote:DES: WCS 2014 will be region-lock with bigger prize pool. Korean teams criticize. According to DES, the Korean esports media, WCS 2014 will be region-lock. Only the Korean players that are in foreign teams which have team house in non-Korean countries can participate in non-Korean regions. Many western teams have been notified about the reform (translator: as seen by some NA/EU players' comments). An anonymous person said that "Blizzard has negotiated with many teams. Most teams want region-lock, because NA/EU are occupied by Korean." People in Korean esports criticize this decision. They think that it will further shrink the survival space of Korean players, and sponsors will lose interest. But the good news is that the prize pool will increase. WCS KR will return to GSL level prize pool. And season finals and global finals will have higher prize pool than this year. Source: http://s.163.com/13/1009/22/9APFGNQH00314Q8M.htmlKorean source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=439&article_id=0000000610&date=20131009&page=5
So that would basically mean something like this:
-Polt in WCS AM
-EG Koreans in WCS AM
-Quantic Koreans in WCS AM
-Root Koreans in WCS AM
-MC in WCS EU
-Stardust, jakjji in WCS EU
-ForGG in WCS EU
-maybe check in WCS EU? Dunno if WW wants him to relocate and if they have team house
-Liquid in WCS EU? (They don't have house in US afaik and relocated headquarters to EU recently)
-MMA and Inno also in WCS EU
Anyone else?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
MMA in WCS EU too then.
Liquid is unclear.
Axiom is screwed, since their players will have a luxury of trying to qualify for Code A in it's current form, granted they would probably be able to do that.
I am predicting WW-mYi partnership to allow Daisy, Sting and check to play in WCS EU too (Daisy already hangs with StarDust).
Mvp and Nestea return to Abyss of Code B T_T.
Either way, this made Polt the most clever player in the world, to make the best decision possible long before he knew about the whole deal.
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We might see a partnership between Millenium and StarTale or LG-IM.
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On October 10 2013 03:22 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 02:56 larse wrote:DES: WCS 2014 will be region-lock with bigger prize pool. Korean teams criticize. According to DES, the Korean esports media, WCS 2014 will be region-lock. Only the Korean players that are in foreign teams which have team house in non-Korean countries can participate in non-Korean regions. Many western teams have been notified about the reform (translator: as seen by some NA/EU players' comments). An anonymous person said that "Blizzard has negotiated with many teams. Most teams want region-lock, because NA/EU are occupied by Korean." People in Korean esports criticize this decision. They think that it will further shrink the survival space of Korean players, and sponsors will lose interest. But the good news is that the prize pool will increase. WCS KR will return to GSL level prize pool. And season finals and global finals will have higher prize pool than this year. Source: http://s.163.com/13/1009/22/9APFGNQH00314Q8M.htmlKorean source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=439&article_id=0000000610&date=20131009&page=5 So that would basically mean something like this: -Polt in WCS AM -EG Koreans in WCS AM -Quantic Koreans in WCS AM -Root Koreans in WCS AM -MC in WCS EU -Stardust, jakjji in WCS EU -ForGG in WCS EU -maybe check in WCS EU? Dunno if WW wants him to relocate and if they have team house -Liquid in WCS EU? (They don't have house in US afaik and relocated headquarters to EU recently) -MMA and Inno also in WCS EU Anyone else?
Innovation and MMA in WCS EU will usher in the beginning of Acer's domination of the European continent. Throw in Nerchio as well, and it'll be insane how hard the team will dominate.
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On October 10 2013 03:52 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 03:22 Ammanas wrote:On October 10 2013 02:56 larse wrote:DES: WCS 2014 will be region-lock with bigger prize pool. Korean teams criticize. According to DES, the Korean esports media, WCS 2014 will be region-lock. Only the Korean players that are in foreign teams which have team house in non-Korean countries can participate in non-Korean regions. Many western teams have been notified about the reform (translator: as seen by some NA/EU players' comments). An anonymous person said that "Blizzard has negotiated with many teams. Most teams want region-lock, because NA/EU are occupied by Korean." People in Korean esports criticize this decision. They think that it will further shrink the survival space of Korean players, and sponsors will lose interest. But the good news is that the prize pool will increase. WCS KR will return to GSL level prize pool. And season finals and global finals will have higher prize pool than this year. Source: http://s.163.com/13/1009/22/9APFGNQH00314Q8M.htmlKorean source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=439&article_id=0000000610&date=20131009&page=5 So that would basically mean something like this: -Polt in WCS AM -EG Koreans in WCS AM -Quantic Koreans in WCS AM -Root Koreans in WCS AM -MC in WCS EU -Stardust, jakjji in WCS EU -ForGG in WCS EU -maybe check in WCS EU? Dunno if WW wants him to relocate and if they have team house -Liquid in WCS EU? (They don't have house in US afaik and relocated headquarters to EU recently) -MMA and Inno also in WCS EU Anyone else? Innovation and MMA in WCS EU will usher in the beginning of Acer's domination of the European continent. Throw in Nerchio as well, and it'll be insane how hard the team will dominate.
Kaoru said that Innovation will stay in Korea in 2014.
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