EPTWCS just ignited the fire faster
Choya says team will continue, criticizes WCS system (TIG)…
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Imagine that WCS was not being in place, there will be many players forced to retire due to being stuck in Korea with the arrival of Kespa. This forced them to move out and seek more opportunities. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
"We respect FXO's decision, and we are grateful for all their support . Even before FXO's sponsorship, I ran the team with my personal funds and funds from team league. There will be no problem in continuing to operate the team." Choya is a true hero. Saving his team will definitely help save esports. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
For what it's worth, WCS NA and WCS EU is simply Koreans fighting Koreans and lag. Thing is, they then all get lumped together for a what is supposedly a "huge" seasonal finals. But it's anticlimactic in that the Koreans who played in NA and EU didn't have to work as hard as those from WCS KR. They're not bad (Taeja? JD? they're FAR from bad) but they didn't have to go through the same grueling competition as their WCS KR counterparts. So, as Fionn mentioned, WCS seasonal finals is basically a boring version of WCS KR where 2/3 of the players in that tournament simply bashed foreigners to get there. The last third "already had" their prestigious tournament and having another one back to back just doesn't make sense. The thing is, if WCS were region locked, no one would care about WCS NA. As for WCS EU .. well I guess it might be interesting? I don't know, I don't follow the European players at all. Everyone would watch WCS KR and afterwards, in the seasonal finals, WCS KR would just crush the other two regions (minus a couple of excellent foreigners who might make a nice run). If we're speaking purely of how interesting a tournament is, WCS is pretty uninteresting and flawed. Blizzard had the good sense to try to inject some vitality into the scene but the way they tried to do that had more negative repercussions than anything else. I remember pre-WCS SC2 was already pretty good to watch. I don't know why they wanted to fix something that wasn't broken. If anything needed fixing, it was the game's design. They had a shot to do so in HOTS but many of the underlying flaws are still there. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On October 04 2013 17:34 Incognoto wrote: I actually consider WCS KR (ie GSL/OSL) a much more interesting tournament to watch than WCS Season finals. For what it's worth, WCS NA and WCS EU is simply Koreans fighting Koreans and lag. Thing is, they then all get lumped together for a what is supposedly a "huge" seasonal finals. But it's anticlimactic in that the Koreans who played in NA and EU didn't have to work as hard as those from WCS KR. They're not bad (Taeja? JD? they're FAR from bad) but they didn't have to go through the same grueling competition as their WCS KR counterparts. So, as Fionn mentioned, WCS seasonal finals is basically a boring version of WCS KR where 2/3 of the players in that tournament simply bashed foreigners to get there. The last third "already had" their prestigious tournament and having another one back to back just doesn't make sense. The thing is, if WCS were region locked, no one would care about WCS NA. As for WCS EU .. well I guess it might be interesting? I don't know, I don't follow the European players at all. Everyone would watch WCS KR and afterwards, in the seasonal finals, WCS KR would just crush the other two regions (minus a couple of excellent foreigners who might make a nice run). If we're speaking purely of how interesting a tournament is, WCS is pretty uninteresting and flawed. Blizzard had the good sense to try to inject some vitality into the scene but the way they tried to do that had more negative repercussions than anything else. I remember pre-WCS SC2 was already pretty good to watch. I don't know why they wanted to fix something that wasn't broken. If anything needed fixing, it was the game's design. They had a shot to do so in HOTS but many of the underlying flaws are still there. They ruined the prestige of the GSL/OSL, which is my main reason for disliking the system. Now several of the top Korean players don't participate in that tournament, and the winner will have to prove himself a week after in an inferior tournament for his title to be meaningful. People talked about Innovation, not Soulkey after the WCS S1 finals. Soulkey winning the GSL was easily forgotten. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18752 Posts
On October 04 2013 17:51 Grumbels wrote: They ruined the prestige of the GSL/OSL, which is my main reason for disliking the system. Now several of the top Korean players don't participate in that tournament, and the winner will have to prove himself a week after in an inferior tournament for his title to be meaningful. People talked about Innovation, not Soulkey after the WCS S1 finals. Soulkey winning the GSL was easily forgotten. thats because Innovation lost the final and not Soulkey won it lol He just had a chance to prove himself right after. And no one is more forgotten than Maru and Bomber our S2 champions XD | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 04 2013 17:51 Grumbels wrote: They ruined the prestige of the GSL/OSL, which is my main reason for disliking the system. Now several of the top Korean players don't participate in that tournament, and the winner will have to prove himself a week after in an inferior tournament for his title to be meaningful. People talked about Innovation, not Soulkey after the WCS S1 finals. Soulkey winning the GSL was easily forgotten. Exactly. It's stupid to have two prestigious tournaments back to back like that. And WCS grand finals aren't even that interesting at all. WCS KR is built up over the course of a month where players have time to prepare, time to practice and you really do see the highest possible level of play. WCS grand finals is a blurp over the weekend where those who lost in WCS KR are given a second chance for no reason. It's insulting to GSL/OSL really. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
The best players in the world are in Korea and all they have done is diluted its player base by fragmenting it across the world. Starcraft 2 has lived off its older brother reputation for 3 years now and now that Broodwar no longer has OSL, it has to fight on its own reputation The “big 3” Broodwar players have been shown to be mortal, and people are questioning why? Is the skill cap to low, is it too fast, why no small engagements on the map but just big deathballs etc? If the heart dies the body usually dies shortly afterwards unless a heart transplant is performed, who will be the donor America or Europe I wonder Somehow the scene needs to survive this, but how? Will Blizzard keep pumping in money and hope they get lucky, redesign the game perhaps, or will they make a huge decision and simply pull out altogether. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On October 04 2013 18:23 Incognoto wrote: Flash, Jaedong and forgive me for my lack of knowledge on the matter but who's the third big player? Bisu: ( | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
q_q Bisu was a god in the game that mattered bro. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 04 2013 18:07 Topdoller wrote: I agree with Incognoto , in my opinion the beating heart of Starcraft is Korea, and I think Blizzard has made a huge tactical mistake by supporting EU and AM so much. The best players in the world are in Korea and all they have done is diluted its player base by fragmenting it across the world. Starcraft 2 has lived off its older brother reputation for 3 years now and now that Broodwar no longer has OSL, it has to fight on its own reputation The “big 3” Broodwar players have been shown to be mortal, and people are questioning why? Is the skill cap to low, is it too fast, why no small engagements on the map but just big deathballs etc? If the heart dies the body usually dies shortly afterwards unless a heart transplant is performed, who will be the donor America or Europe I wonder Somehow the scene needs to survive this, but how? Will Blizzard keep pumping in money and hope they get lucky, redesign the game perhaps, or will they make a huge decision and simply pull out altogether. Problem is, SC2 didn't do bad in Korea because Blizzard supported EU and AM too much. The Korean public just didn't like the game as much as they did for BW. Obviously, a lot of factors are in play like the BW vs SC2 issue, LoL, gameplay, etc, etc. | ||
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MicMacAngl
Germany11 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:27 Fionn wrote: We need some (up)magic and go(go) through this tough time or we'll not have the luxury to enjoy SC2 in Korea anymore. Are they banned for EGF, too or only KESPA? Broodwar rising lately, which I like, but thats also not good for SC2 and Starcraft in general maybe which is dangerous. | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On October 04 2013 17:34 Incognoto wrote: I actually consider WCS KR (ie GSL/OSL) a much more interesting tournament to watch than WCS Season finals. For what it's worth, WCS NA and WCS EU is simply Koreans fighting Koreans and lag. Thing is, they then all get lumped together for a what is supposedly a "huge" seasonal finals. But it's anticlimactic in that the Koreans who played in NA and EU didn't have to work as hard as those from WCS KR. They're not bad (Taeja? JD? they're FAR from bad) but they didn't have to go through the same grueling competition as their WCS KR counterparts. So, as Fionn mentioned, WCS seasonal finals is basically a boring version of WCS KR where 2/3 of the players in that tournament simply bashed foreigners to get there. The last third "already had" their prestigious tournament and having another one back to back just doesn't make sense. The thing is, if WCS were region locked, no one would care about WCS NA. As for WCS EU .. well I guess it might be interesting? I don't know, I don't follow the European players at all. Everyone would watch WCS KR and afterwards, in the seasonal finals, WCS KR would just crush the other two regions (minus a couple of excellent foreigners who might make a nice run). If we're speaking purely of how interesting a tournament is, WCS is pretty uninteresting and flawed. Blizzard had the good sense to try to inject some vitality into the scene but the way they tried to do that had more negative repercussions than anything else. I remember pre-WCS SC2 was already pretty good to watch. I don't know why they wanted to fix something that wasn't broken. If anything needed fixing, it was the game's design. They had a shot to do so in HOTS but many of the underlying flaws are still there. This bolded comment is brought up all the time and as the token guy to respond to it I'll say the same honest thing I say every time I see it: Region locking would not affect the amount of time I spend watching KR games in the least. It would increase the amount of time I would watch NA and EU games. I don't think I'm in the minority, I think I'm in the minority of outspoken viewers, but I think that the amount of people who would love to watch NA based players (Korean or otherwise) compete with other NA based players, EU based players (Korean or otherwise) compete with other EU based players is very close to equal. Don't underestimate the value of something because it's not what you want to see. I mean no malice with this statement, but I feel like it's an incredibly common statement from the more vocal individuals when there is no proof to it. The only purely NA tournament in the past 2 years that had any sort of viewership was shoutcraft and that did exceptionally well considering it had to wrap itself around WCS in some kind of crazy contortion just to allow it to be played. I think at the very least it's an experiment that deserves a season's chance to be successful. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On October 04 2013 21:46 MicMacAngl wrote: Are they banned for EGF, too or only KESPA? Broodwar rising lately, which I like, but thats also not good for SC2 and Starcraft in general maybe which is dangerous. When there was a rumor that Savior was going to try out for GSL, Gom said they were going to honor Kespa's ban, so I assume they meant all of those guys are out too. On October 04 2013 19:17 vthree wrote: Problem is, SC2 didn't do bad in Korea because Blizzard supported EU and AM too much. The Korean public just didn't like the game as much as they did for BW. Obviously, a lot of factors are in play like the BW vs SC2 issue, LoL, gameplay, etc, etc. Right, Korea didn't take to SC2 for a variety of reasons and it's unlikely that Blizzard would really take to accepting SC2 being like BW (as in, only big in S. Korea) as a success anyways. So not ignoring NA / EU is the right move. Afterall, world-wide WC3 was already a much bigger deal than BW, so it's not like Blizzard has to settle for SC2 being only played in 1 country. | ||
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theatreofwar
Canada60 Posts
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:31 playerboy345 wrote: This, I've pretty much stopped watching sc2 because of WCS. +1 The WCS is terrible. I don't know anyone who is actually a fan of it. People will watch it. Hell, it's the only thing to watch on most night that involves some of the better know players. The problem is that it strangles everything else. I've stopped playing and watching a lot of SC2. Every now and then, I'll catch some GOM when I can or that team tournament that EG runs. Other than that, SC2 is dead to me. | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On October 05 2013 08:40 chaos021 wrote: +1 The WCS is terrible. I don't know anyone who is actually a fan of it. People will watch it. Hell, it's the only thing to watch on most night that involves some of the better know players. The problem is that it strangles everything else. I've stopped playing and watching a lot of SC2. Every now and then, I'll catch some GOM when I can or that team tournament that EG runs. Other than that, SC2 is dead to me. I am a fan of it.  | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 05 2013 08:40 chaos021 wrote: +1 The WCS is terrible. I don't know anyone who is actually a fan of it. People will watch it. Hell, it's the only thing to watch on most night that involves some of the better know players. The problem is that it strangles everything else. I've stopped playing and watching a lot of SC2. Every now and then, I'll catch some GOM when I can or that team tournament that EG runs. Other than that, SC2 is dead to me. What makes you dislike it or is it only the fact that it reduces other content? | ||
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