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I can only agree with ETisME.
"OK, so I must not say this is imbalanced, else they will call me a whiner. And maybe it really isn't because someone, somewhere can deal with it. So why am I still losing against this?
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Oh, it must be because it is horribly designed, because what I - the most strategic genius in the world - am doing should be working against it but it doesn't. Quick, make a thread about it."
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On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time  . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities.
Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3!
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This article is very good, but i really fear blizzard simply doesn't read such stuff
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On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun. When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault. Interesting.
Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.
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On October 03 2013 00:46 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun. When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault. Interesting. Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.
I explicitly stated my love for BW died after 5 games of it. I never said i played 5 games of it (more like 50 + who the hell knows how many games watched, but around 50 as well probably, as i never really liked to watch BW, it sucks as spectator sport) . So, yes, do not make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me, you will just confuse everyone. Granted, i won't deny i was not good at it, i was rather casual at it (D level).
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I occasionally play a game of dota, ineptly since I don't care to understand it and rarely play it, and usually some try-hard will insult me and complain about my item choices or so. I don't see how a game like this can be so popular but whatever. It's like WoW where the pick up group thing is just so awful and toxic and you need to find a sanctuary (a guild) just for your mental sanity, except that most people just do pick-ups and it's clearly my problem.
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On October 03 2013 01:15 Grumbels wrote:
I occasionally play a game of dota, ineptly since I don't care to understand it and rarely play it, and usually some try-hard will insult me and complain about my item choices or so. I don't see how a game like this can be so popular but whatever. It's like WoW where the pick up group thing is just so awful and toxic and you need to find a sanctuary (a guild) just for your mental sanity, except that most people just do pick-ups and it's clearly my problem.
Yep, the DotA community is awful. The community of ARTS games in general is awful, HoN being the absolute worse. Don't be fooled though, the DotA community was bad even back on WC3. This is the internet, most people are jackasses, and team games tend to exacerbate that.
Nonetheless, the game remains fun and competitive and as far as DotA is concerned, I think the popularity largely lies with the facts that it is Valve + IceFrog working on an exact replica of DotA 1 with better graphics. Big names working on a big game which massively grew over the years, etc.
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On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:The problem with SC2 is very simple: The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". + Show Spoiler +Let's compare it to BW: I was terrible at BW, but it was fun trying to use vultures' mines and dragoons, and some other units, it's even fun to run an army of zealots into a bunch of lurkers and see them all die and think "Oh shit I screwed up", also the sound of units and death animations were far superior to SC2, which is very important from an spectator point of view.
WC3: Was fun to play both at the highest level and the lowest level, when I started playing WC3 I mainly played 2v2 with friends and the combination of unit/heroes made for very different games every time, then I decided to play competitively and I got to be a decent player (Nevermind, night elf in WCreplays.com), I talked a lot with top players and we all had fun playing the game, some match ups were stressing like Orc vs Und, but when you decided to relax a bit and play a little bit of ladder you could always mess around and use fun strategies like Human tower rushes vs all, mass batriders, mass hunts with a bunch of expos or hell even Und tower rushes for the sake of it. The game was not good for spectators though, it was hard to show it to friends that didn't play it.
When a game is fun it is fun, period. DOTA with all it's flaws was a very fun game and you could enjoy it if you were bad or good or take a break from competitive play and just mess around with a unkillable Faceless Void with Vanguard/Hood to piss off your team, or something.
SC2 was supposed to be well designed, but the emphasis on competition ruined the game. Of course that should always be kept in mind but where is the fun. I cannot watch SC2 anymore or I would fall asleep, and if I show it to friends they would fall asleep too, unlike the good to be seen BW where everybody understood what was happening or the horrible to watch but very fun DOTA that everyone played.
This is how a fun as hell and competitive game looks like, it doesn't need explanations and the commentators always have something good to say because something actually happends, SC2 it's a RTS of course but lacks Reaver moments or something that makes the commentators actually get excited about the game they are casting, even a hell of a caster like Husky, doesn't get truly excited about the game he loves and it seems more of a routine.
Excellent, excellent, yeah, that's a good point...
Marvel? Seriously? 
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On October 03 2013 01:19 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:15 Grumbels wrote:
I occasionally play a game of dota, ineptly since I don't care to understand it and rarely play it, and usually some try-hard will insult me and complain about my item choices or so. I don't see how a game like this can be so popular but whatever. It's like WoW where the pick up group thing is just so awful and toxic and you need to find a sanctuary (a guild) just for your mental sanity, except that most people just do pick-ups and it's clearly my problem. Yep, the DotA community is awful. The community of ARTS games in general is awful, HoN being the absolute worse. Don't be fooled though, the DotA community was bad even back on WC3. This is the internet, most people are jackasses, and team games tend to exacerbate that. Nonetheless, the game remains fun and competitive and as far as DotA is concerned, I think the popularity largely lies with the facts that it is Valve + IceFrog working on an exact replica of DotA 1 with better graphics. Big names working on a big game which massively grew over the years, etc.
MOBAs are built to deflect blame away from yourself. You can always blame, lag, imbalance, other players, whatever. The team nature and snowballyness of the game doesn't really help, though. For many people it's frustrating as hell. The player should know what he's signing up for, though. The occasional mana screw is expected in MTG, for example, and I knew that when I picked my poison. They'll never really improve if they keep blaming others and feeding their Dunning-Kruger effect fueled illusion of competence.
It's one reason I don't play them: Losses to my own incompetence, I can take. I can make arrangements that eliminate excuses, like playing top tier characters in fighting games so I know my character has the tools to deal with a problem, I just need to learn to use them. Tolerating losses due to clueless teammates is hard. Tolerating clueless people who think they're geniuses, even harder. I don't want to turn into a jackass, so I stay well away
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On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3!
you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't
come here after you make c rank at least
i have played both at serious level
BW b-
SC2 master
and BW is miles ahead in term of fun
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On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun
Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right?
And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective..
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BW would be very hard for anyone to get into at a later period of time because there are many things working against you.
lol it's not even worth mentioning considering you pretty much start at D on iccup anyway and your experience is very, very limited. Personal preference and opinion is just that and he's only comparing the two. It's fairly complicated to make any sort of conclusions about a game when your experience is very limited. You don't have to be the best in the world, but you should have good insight.
On October 03 2013 04:44 Coffee Zombie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:19 Spaylz wrote:On October 03 2013 01:15 Grumbels wrote:
I occasionally play a game of dota, ineptly since I don't care to understand it and rarely play it, and usually some try-hard will insult me and complain about my item choices or so. I don't see how a game like this can be so popular but whatever. It's like WoW where the pick up group thing is just so awful and toxic and you need to find a sanctuary (a guild) just for your mental sanity, except that most people just do pick-ups and it's clearly my problem. Yep, the DotA community is awful. The community of ARTS games in general is awful, HoN being the absolute worse. Don't be fooled though, the DotA community was bad even back on WC3. This is the internet, most people are jackasses, and team games tend to exacerbate that. Nonetheless, the game remains fun and competitive and as far as DotA is concerned, I think the popularity largely lies with the facts that it is Valve + IceFrog working on an exact replica of DotA 1 with better graphics. Big names working on a big game which massively grew over the years, etc. MOBAs are built to deflect blame away from yourself. You can always blame, lag, imbalance, other players, whatever. The team nature and snowballyness of the game doesn't really help, though. For many people it's frustrating as hell. The player should know what he's signing up for, though. The occasional mana screw is expected in MTG, for example, and I knew that when I picked my poison. They'll never really improve if they keep blaming others and feeding their Dunning-Kruger effect fueled illusion of competence. It's one reason I don't play them: Losses to my own incompetence, I can take. I can make arrangements that eliminate excuses, like playing top tier characters in fighting games so I know my character has the tools to deal with a problem, I just need to learn to use them. Tolerating losses due to clueless teammates is hard. Tolerating clueless people who think they're geniuses, even harder. I don't want to turn into a jackass, so I stay well away
MOBA's aren't built that way. It's a very human thing to do, "Not my fault." <<excuse, excuse, excuse>> That's all it is excuses. The players who want to develop would avoid such tactics and know there are always ways to improve their game. The reality is there is no such thing as a perfect game. You didn't lose a tower? You didn't die? You didn't lose any CS? How was your instigation? The truth is there are always things to work on. Even if your name is Usain Bolt and you are arguably the King of your sport. Anyway, it helps when you play with the right people who will help you develop when it comes to MOBAs. So for every 10 or so bad players you come across maybe just maybe you will find one nice guy out of the group who is tolerable to hang around and game from time to time. That's the way I look at it at least. People gravitate towards positive energy. If you bring the positive energy they will most likely gravitate towards you too.
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On October 03 2013 04:44 Coffee Zombie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 01:19 Spaylz wrote:On October 03 2013 01:15 Grumbels wrote:
I occasionally play a game of dota, ineptly since I don't care to understand it and rarely play it, and usually some try-hard will insult me and complain about my item choices or so. I don't see how a game like this can be so popular but whatever. It's like WoW where the pick up group thing is just so awful and toxic and you need to find a sanctuary (a guild) just for your mental sanity, except that most people just do pick-ups and it's clearly my problem. Yep, the DotA community is awful. The community of ARTS games in general is awful, HoN being the absolute worse. Don't be fooled though, the DotA community was bad even back on WC3. This is the internet, most people are jackasses, and team games tend to exacerbate that. Nonetheless, the game remains fun and competitive and as far as DotA is concerned, I think the popularity largely lies with the facts that it is Valve + IceFrog working on an exact replica of DotA 1 with better graphics. Big names working on a big game which massively grew over the years, etc. MOBAs are built to deflect blame away from yourself. You can always blame, lag, imbalance, other players, whatever. The team nature and snowballyness of the game doesn't really help, though. For many people it's frustrating as hell. The player should know what he's signing up for, though. The occasional mana screw is expected in MTG, for example, and I knew that when I picked my poison. They'll never really improve if they keep blaming others and feeding their Dunning-Kruger effect fueled illusion of competence. It's one reason I don't play them: Losses to my own incompetence, I can take. I can make arrangements that eliminate excuses, like playing top tier characters in fighting games so I know my character has the tools to deal with a problem, I just need to learn to use them. Tolerating losses due to clueless teammates is hard. Tolerating clueless people who think they're geniuses, even harder. I don't want to turn into a jackass, so I stay well away
Lol, I assure you "MOBAS" were not "built to deflect blame away from yourself". Is that that was soccer was built for too? Or maybe it has to do with how much strategy and depth a team aspect brings to a game. Hmm.
People talk about how bad the DotA community is but honestly, look no further than the SC2 ladder. Easily 50 percent of my games end with my opponents not only talking shit about imbalance, how bad I am etc.. they even private message me.
People deflecting blame isn't an aspect of a game, it's human nature. People will find something to blame.... the other player, the design of the game, etc.
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On October 03 2013 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:On October 02 2013 23:25 Nevermind86 wrote:
The problem with SC2 is very simple:
The game isn't fun. A game should be fun for both the lowest level players to the highest level players and also be good to watch for spectators, SC2 lacks these 3 things I just mentioned, no amount of hype, tournament price or publicity can make up for this. Some may argue the game is "a little fun" but that is not "fun-fun". So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!". Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right? And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective..
no i was good at dune too lol, i just love rts, but even if i wasn't simple you don't compare it, cuz you know nothing about it....
that doesn't mean dune >>> BW
like it doesn't mean BW >>>SC2 if you know nothing about BW
simply don't say that Sc2 is more fun because you have played only 5 game in BW....
tons of people here haven't play BW seriosly, but they played SC2 seriously, then they pretend to know about BW, just no plz
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In soccer you don't get teamed up with randoms though. Just being face to face drops salt levels a hell of a lot.
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On October 03 2013 05:43 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:
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So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!".
Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right? And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective.. no i was good at dune too lol, i just love rts, but even if i wasn't simple you don't compare it, cuz you know nothing about it.... that doesn't mean dune >>> BW like it doesn't mean BW >>>SC2 if you know nothing about BW simply don't say that Sc2 is more fun because you have played only 5 game in BW.... tons of people here haven't play BW seriosly, but they played SC2 seriously, then they pretend to know about BW, just no plz
Sry but i just dont agree on that. How many games do u have to play to decide if a game is fun for u then??
I mean maybe its just not fun for you to have such a hard mechanical part as in BW. You really dont need 500 games to realize that. The point is that having fun is extremely subjective and there is no system to be objective about that.
So stop pretending that BW is more fun and if anyone says otherwise he is a retard, cause its just not true. (for everyone)
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On October 03 2013 05:43 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:29 KeksX wrote:
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So you don't like the game and think it's not fun and then just assume "Well obviously this game must suck then!".
Alright. You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right? And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective.. no i was good at dune too lol, i just love rts, but even if i wasn't simple you don't compare it, cuz you know nothing about it.... that doesn't mean dune >>> BW like it doesn't mean BW >>>SC2 if you know nothing about BW simply don't say that Sc2 is more fun because you have played only 5 game in BW.... tons of people here haven't play BW seriosly, but they played SC2 seriously, then they pretend to know about BW, just no plz
Casual meaning of 'fun' implies lack of deep game experience with either game to make a comparison. One can say that i played around the same amount of games in both BW and SC2 (and in both cases, it is rather low one, around hundred probably, but 50+ for sure) and i can conclude for myself what is more fun for me. For me it is SC2.
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On October 03 2013 05:45 Coffee Zombie wrote:
In soccer you don't get teamed up with randoms though. Just being face to face drops salt levels a hell of a lot.
Never played a pick-up game? I don't agree with the face to face thing either... ever watch pro hockey?
I've honestly never encountered the consistent toxicity of the SC2 1v1 ladder in any form of video game--including team games. I played tons of 4v4, 3v3 WC3/SCBW, DOTA, HoN etc. In team games, there's the ability to blame teammates, but also the ability to have positive interactions that lead to winning the game. The ladder happens waaay more than the former, because there's an incentive. Unlike a 1v1 game.
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On October 03 2013 05:57 xsevR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:45 Coffee Zombie wrote:
In soccer you don't get teamed up with randoms though. Just being face to face drops salt levels a hell of a lot. Never played a pick-up game? I don't agree with the face to face thing either... ever watch pro hockey? I've honestly never encountered the consistent toxicity of the SC2 1v1 ladder in any form of video game--including team games. I played tons of 4v4, 3v3 WC3/SCBW, DOTA, HoN etc.
Pfft, i almost never encountered it either. Probably because i do not read in-game chat :O
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On October 03 2013 05:53 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:43 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:
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You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right? And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective.. no i was good at dune too lol, i just love rts, but even if i wasn't simple you don't compare it, cuz you know nothing about it.... that doesn't mean dune >>> BW like it doesn't mean BW >>>SC2 if you know nothing about BW simply don't say that Sc2 is more fun because you have played only 5 game in BW.... tons of people here haven't play BW seriosly, but they played SC2 seriously, then they pretend to know about BW, just no plz Casual meaning of 'fun' implies lack of deep game experience with either game to make a comparison. One can say that i played around the same amount of games in both BW and SC2 (and in both cases, it is rather low one, around hundred probably, but 50+ for sure) and i can conclude for myself what is more fun for me. For me it is SC2.
and this is exactly my point, i accept this, because you have tried them both, but the guy above you, didn't...
50 are not 5 games, at least...
On October 03 2013 05:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:43 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 03 2013 04:53 Garmer wrote:On October 03 2013 00:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 02 2013 23:33 Nevermind86 wrote:
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You may want to read my arguments in it's entirety. And no, I love SC and loved SC2, but my love for SC2 quickly died, in about a year and a half but I'm sure I was not the only one that went through that. My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all. 5 games...*chuckles* Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options. I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more. Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities. Okay, sir, BW is the greatest RTS game with the worst fans evah <3! you haven't played long enough to really think it isn't come here after you make c rank at least i have played both at serious level BW b- SC2 master and BW is miles ahead in term of fun Sry that doesnt even make sense. By your logic you would have to play all Rts games ever made at a decent level to make any comments about it. So what was your lvl in dune? Pretty bad? Well then i can say dune >>>> bw right? And to say that bw is more fun than x is a funny statement. Well maybe its more fun for you, but there will be a lot of people who think that sc2 is more fun, and even more people will say that lol is more fun and u know what, its pretty subjective.. no i was good at dune too lol, i just love rts, but even if i wasn't simple you don't compare it, cuz you know nothing about it.... that doesn't mean dune >>> BW like it doesn't mean BW >>>SC2 if you know nothing about BW simply don't say that Sc2 is more fun because you have played only 5 game in BW.... tons of people here haven't play BW seriosly, but they played SC2 seriously, then they pretend to know about BW, just no plz Sry but i just dont agree on that. How many games do u have to play to decide if a game is fun for u then?? I mean maybe its just not fun for you to have such a hard mechanical part as in BW. You really dont need 500 games to realize that. The point is that having fun is extremely subjective and there is no system to be objective about that. So stop pretending that BW is more fun and if anyone says otherwise he is a retard, cause its just not true. (for everyone)
it's also retarded to say it's not fun after only 5 games
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