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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 03 2013 15:10 GMT
#841
On October 04 2013 00:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:00 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 03 2013 06:19 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 01:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:
[quote]

5 games...*chuckles*
Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options.

I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more.


Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities.


So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun.
When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault.
Interesting.


Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.

I explicitly stated my love for BW died after 5 games of it. I never said i played 5 games of it (more like 50 + who the hell knows how many games watched, but around 50 as well probably, as i never really liked to watch BW, it sucks as spectator sport) . So, yes, do not make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me, you will just confuse everyone. Granted, i won't deny i was not good at it, i was rather casual at it (D level).


"do no make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me."

So the concept of "logical sense" is completely off the table when conversing with you..its cool to know that you can't accept logic. And I suppose that with all evidences attest the authenticity of that statement since you chose to love something even before trying it first and then later contradict yourself by stating that you "never really liked to watch the BW".

That being said, you are the confused, uninformed, and ignorant one here. Please do not attempt to drag everyone down with you on that boat.


Ahah seriously...

This looks like a non-reasoning person's idea of a debate. You are trying to prove he's wrong for disliking something. That is stupid on so many levels.


And you are trying to make an argument without any form of evidence to back up your claim. Now that is just like saying "Oh I dislike the fact at hand, but can't find a method to disprove it so I'm just going to resort to name callings because my ineptitude. " Refrain from doing that in the future.


Have you ever heard of the term "subjective"?


Have you ever heard the term "irrelevance"?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
October 03 2013 15:21 GMT
#842
On October 04 2013 00:00 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 23:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 03 2013 06:19 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 01:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:47 Xiphos wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
My love for SC1 died after 5 games i actually played in it. So, yes, you cannot talk for all.


5 games...*chuckles*
Competitively, you barely know how to even play the game after you play all three races in all matchups to get a sense of the game flow. Stop playing a game with a disgruntle mood, you need to dismiss all personal egos going into the game or else you get frustrated and call it a quit because of BW's complexity and deciding options.

I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more.


Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities.


So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun.
When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault.
Interesting.


Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.

I explicitly stated my love for BW died after 5 games of it. I never said i played 5 games of it (more like 50 + who the hell knows how many games watched, but around 50 as well probably, as i never really liked to watch BW, it sucks as spectator sport) . So, yes, do not make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me, you will just confuse everyone. Granted, i won't deny i was not good at it, i was rather casual at it (D level).


"do no make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me."

So the concept of "logical sense" is completely off the table when conversing with you..its cool to know that you can't accept logic. And I suppose that with all evidences attest the authenticity of that statement since you chose to love something even before trying it first and then later contradict yourself by stating that you "never really liked to watch the BW".

That being said, you are the confused, uninformed, and ignorant one here. Please do not attempt to drag everyone down with you on that boat.


Ahah seriously...

This looks like a non-reasoning person's idea of a debate. You are trying to prove he's wrong for disliking something. That is stupid on so many levels.


And you are trying to make an argument without any form of evidence to back up your claim. Now that is just like saying "Oh I dislike the fact at hand, but can't find a method to disprove it so I'm just going to resort to name callings because my ineptitude. " Refrain from doing that in the future.


Why would I need an argument to back up the claim that I enjoy SC2 more than I enjoy BW?
No will to live, no wish to die
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
October 03 2013 15:26 GMT
#843
On October 04 2013 00:10 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:00 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 03 2013 06:19 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 01:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more.


Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities.


So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun.
When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault.
Interesting.


Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.

I explicitly stated my love for BW died after 5 games of it. I never said i played 5 games of it (more like 50 + who the hell knows how many games watched, but around 50 as well probably, as i never really liked to watch BW, it sucks as spectator sport) . So, yes, do not make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me, you will just confuse everyone. Granted, i won't deny i was not good at it, i was rather casual at it (D level).


"do no make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me."

So the concept of "logical sense" is completely off the table when conversing with you..its cool to know that you can't accept logic. And I suppose that with all evidences attest the authenticity of that statement since you chose to love something even before trying it first and then later contradict yourself by stating that you "never really liked to watch the BW".

That being said, you are the confused, uninformed, and ignorant one here. Please do not attempt to drag everyone down with you on that boat.


Ahah seriously...

This looks like a non-reasoning person's idea of a debate. You are trying to prove he's wrong for disliking something. That is stupid on so many levels.


And you are trying to make an argument without any form of evidence to back up your claim. Now that is just like saying "Oh I dislike the fact at hand, but can't find a method to disprove it so I'm just going to resort to name callings because my ineptitude. " Refrain from doing that in the future.


Have you ever heard of the term "subjective"?


Have you ever heard the term "irrelevance"?


It means that BW has no inherent quality of good or bad separated from the evaluation of the person thinking about it. This means that you cannot in an argument tell someone to prove BW is boring. Because if a person thinks it is, that makes it so for said person.
n.Die_Jaedong
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
October 03 2013 15:26 GMT
#844
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
October 03 2013 15:33 GMT
#845
bw is both more fun and has more depth than sc2, sure sc2 is more accessible, but its the depth that makes bw a god game.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 03 2013 15:34 GMT
#846
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously

Actually fighting UI in BW is my favorite part and pretty much one of reasons i actually played it for 50+ games. My love was lost in the battle with AI of my own units.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 03 2013 15:37 GMT
#847
On September 21 2013 04:37 larse wrote:
Oh boy, another one of this thread. And this is pretty poorly written and all the points are old and discussed to death long ago.

User was warned for this post


This post is kind of the epitome of the SC2 state currently for me. A lot of the fans recognize there is a problem, but have given up hope as Blizzard is seemingly doing nothing.

For some people, like this fellow I'm quoting, they've accepted defeat and pretty much dismiss anyone trying to change it.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 15:41:08
October 03 2013 15:39 GMT
#848
On October 04 2013 00:10 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:00 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 03 2013 06:19 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 01:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 03 2013 00:01 Xiphos wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
I loved this paragraph of yours. Because you know, i am not fast enough to play the game and love it in the same time . See, i either play the game, or love it :D. BW is good game, but playing it? Pfft, my wrists worth more.


Lol now I know for a fact you suck at it and only quit out of frustration. Quite the indolence, complacency, and baseless arrogance to boost. I bid you good luck with those qualities.


So when someone quits sc2 its cause he had no fun.
When someone quits BW its cause he sucks so hard and its his own fault.
Interesting.


Incomplete at hand, he explicitly stated that he has only played 5 games of BW which is not nearly enough to even understand the game while the other guy have been playing for 1.5 years. After that much time grinding a game, you proved yourself to be adept at its knowledge while someone who played a mere of 5 games is most likely to be full of it.

I explicitly stated my love for BW died after 5 games of it. I never said i played 5 games of it (more like 50 + who the hell knows how many games watched, but around 50 as well probably, as i never really liked to watch BW, it sucks as spectator sport) . So, yes, do not make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me, you will just confuse everyone. Granted, i won't deny i was not good at it, i was rather casual at it (D level).


"do no make a logical conclusions, when you talk to me."

So the concept of "logical sense" is completely off the table when conversing with you..its cool to know that you can't accept logic. And I suppose that with all evidences attest the authenticity of that statement since you chose to love something even before trying it first and then later contradict yourself by stating that you "never really liked to watch the BW".

That being said, you are the confused, uninformed, and ignorant one here. Please do not attempt to drag everyone down with you on that boat.


Ahah seriously...

This looks like a non-reasoning person's idea of a debate. You are trying to prove he's wrong for disliking something. That is stupid on so many levels.


And you are trying to make an argument without any form of evidence to back up your claim. Now that is just like saying "Oh I dislike the fact at hand, but can't find a method to disprove it so I'm just going to resort to name callings because my ineptitude. " Refrain from doing that in the future.


Have you ever heard of the term "subjective"?


Have you ever heard the term "irrelevance"?

way to take an interesting thread and turn it into a "yes"/"no" contest

my gf likes SC2 more than BW.
and WoW more than those 2 games.

but, she has very little time to play games and even less time to prove why she has the particular tastes in games she has.


back on topic.
SC2 is "great fun".. like all other well made RTS games.
people trying to turn it into a sport with "full time pros" are wasting their time.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
October 03 2013 15:43 GMT
#849
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.

n.Die_Jaedong
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 03 2013 15:52 GMT
#850
By the way, since this thread leads pretty much to nowhere. IIRC Blizzard did not give a **** about e-Sports in SC1. Hell, they made a single player game with multiplayer (good one), fixed some relatively obvious stuff and said: okay, we have WC3 done, time to milk money from there. Then Korea happened and BW SUDDENLY became e-Sports. Then Blizzard sees what has happened and starts to slowly develop SC2, thinking about possibility of milking money from e-Sports, since they did consider the fact that WoW won't last forever (yes, SC2 development started around the time WoW was done/released , but i do not remeber when exactly). Then they came to situation where they actually needed someone, who can design the new game, since story continuation have been written already by then i believe (yes, StarCraft 2 it is because of story, not because of e-Sports) (remark: i do not deny story is bad, as i give 0 ***** about it) and it was time to think about the actual cash cow in their opinion called e-Sports. I won't dive in reasons why they chose Dustin Browder to design the game, as i honestly have no clue about how he became one, or why they chose DK (he does his job great though, IMO), but i will just state as fact, that they hired them and they started to write down the design and balance of SC2, keeping in mind it's new engine's features, including new pathing, not-so-braindead AI (just stubborn one) and what not. Then we got this game. Now it's up to you to find where the tipping point happened.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 03 2013 15:52 GMT
#851
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
October 03 2013 15:59 GMT
#852
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


No it's not like this at all.

There are arguments why a good band is good. There are arguments why a good game is good. There are no arguments why something is fun or not, especially not something that involves little units fighting each other on a computer screen.

Just because a music is good doesn't mean you will enjoy it. "Metal" (cause I don't mean to develop) and classical music are solid examples of that.
No will to live, no wish to die
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
October 03 2013 16:02 GMT
#853
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?
n.Die_Jaedong
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 03 2013 16:06 GMT
#854
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 03 2013 16:07 GMT
#855
On October 04 2013 01:06 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.

And what about opinions on the former?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
October 03 2013 16:09 GMT
#856
On October 04 2013 01:06 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.


My previous post is still a valid answer because you don't seem to understand what the difference between objective and subjective means.
n.Die_Jaedong
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
October 03 2013 16:11 GMT
#857
the only thing that can save starcraft2 is a really good mod

the community has to take matters into their own hands, blizzard is clearly incompetent
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 03 2013 16:13 GMT
#858
On October 04 2013 01:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
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On October 04 2013 01:06 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.


My previous post is still a valid answer because you don't seem to understand what the difference between objective and subjective means.

You can't judge Brood War if you've played five games of it. Your opinion being subjective does not guarantee that it's relevant.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
October 03 2013 16:17 GMT
#859
On October 04 2013 01:13 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:06 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.


My previous post is still a valid answer because you don't seem to understand what the difference between objective and subjective means.

You can't judge Brood War if you've played five games of it. Your opinion being subjective does not guarantee that it's relevant.


Do you regularly disqualify your own opinions on the basis that you haven't done something enough to meet your own arbitrary standards of what classifies as experience?
n.Die_Jaedong
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 03 2013 16:18 GMT
#860
On October 04 2013 01:17 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:13 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:06 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:02 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Grumbels wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:43 Dundron2000 wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:26 Garmer wrote:
because it's false, you don't enjoy BW for the same reason everyone else, the UI, this is why everyone who said BW isn't fun after 5 games, cannot be taken seriously


Lets break this down. Your argument is: people who don't like BW are not allowed to not like BW because the fact that they stopped playing it (because they didn't like it) disqualifies them from having that opinion.


It's like deciding you don't like a music band because you listened to them for one minute and thought the music was too complicated and difficult to understand. If you don't wish to further subject yourself to this sound, then that's your right, but then others don't have to take you seriously if you start talking about the band.


Why not? What if the music is real simple and you don't like it? Who gets to decide then? Your argument only works in a world where there is an objective reality and by chance it happened to correspond 100% to your own tastes and opinions, even when your opinions and tastes change over time. Doesn't this seem like an improbable scenario?

I can listen to five minutes of Taylor Swift and conclude it has no redeeming value, but I can't listen to something that's very complicated for five minutes because I haven't had enough time to judge it yet. If I would start giving opinions about the latter they are not legitimate because they are based on nothing, regardless of whether it's my opinion or not.


My previous post is still a valid answer because you don't seem to understand what the difference between objective and subjective means.

You can't judge Brood War if you've played five games of it. Your opinion being subjective does not guarantee that it's relevant.


Do you regularly disqualify your own opinions on the basis that you haven't done something enough to meet your own arbitrary standards of what classifies as experience?

Yes I do. I didn't know ignorance was something to be proud of.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
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