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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On September 17 2013 05:07 darkness wrote: They probably don't want to make their team's business crippled by bashing SC2? We should actually appreciate that. IMO, the teams businesses could be hurt a lot more by seeing the great players leave one after another. Constructive bashing is more welcomed than flat out lies. If blizzard realize that some of the best BW progamers are leaving the game because of how it is, changes could happen. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 17 2013 08:23 DPK wrote: IMO, the teams businesses could be hurt a lot more by seeing the great players leave one after another. Constructive bashing is more welcomed than flat out lies. If blizzard realize that some of the best BW progamers are leaving the game because of how it is, changes could happen. Not sure if you could call s2 a great player... Not to be insensitive but both his BW and SC2 liquipedia pages are pretty much empty. I've never seen a single game from him. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On September 17 2013 08:30 Bagi wrote: Not sure if you could call s2 a great player... Not to be insensitive but both his BW and SC2 liquipedia pages are pretty much empty. I've never seen a single game from him. Maybe he shouldn't have meant s2 or there was misunderstanding, but Bisu, Jangbi and NaDa are good examples. I think Flash would be next, well, not exactly tomorrow or this month, but he is losing passion as well. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:26 N.geNuity wrote: apparently hyuk streams on zergman's stream sometimes/fairly regularly (from snipealot chat) omg great news sospa needs some hyuking  | ||
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
On September 17 2013 08:30 Bagi wrote: Not sure if you could call s2 a great player... Not to be insensitive but both his BW and SC2 liquipedia pages are pretty much empty. I've never seen a single game from him. Watch Winners League final for proleague. Thats all you need to know about this guy. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 17 2013 09:37 rift wrote: I wonder if Kespa is thinking "we shouldn't have switched games". Because I'm certain Bisu and Jangbi wouldn't have retired from BW. I think Kespa is thinking " thank god LoL exists " because It's not like BW wasn't on the decline as well. LoL revitalized the Korean esports scene. Staying on BW longer would have been preferable for some fans and some players but that's about it. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 17 2013 09:39 Dodgin wrote: I think Kespa is thinking " thank god LoL exists " because It's not like BW wasn't on the decline as well. LoL revitalized the Korean esports scene. Staying on BW longer would have been preferable for some fans and some players but that's about it. BW would still trump over SC2's current ratings in Korea any time of the day. They would have profited way more by not initiating the switch. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 17 2013 09:49 Xiphos wrote: BW would still trump over SC2's current ratings in Korea any time of the day. They would have profited way more by not initiating the switch. Profit in terms of what? Wouldn't they be spending more money and giving more support to BW if it was bigger than sc2? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 17 2013 09:57 Dodgin wrote: Profit in terms of what? Wouldn't they be spending more money and giving more support to BW if it was bigger than sc2? And they were able to support it fine. Before they had two legs to stand on, LoL and BW. Now that SC2 is faltering, only one pillar. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On September 17 2013 08:23 DPK wrote: IMO, the teams businesses could be hurt a lot more by seeing the great players leave one after another. Constructive bashing is more welcomed than flat out lies. If blizzard realize that some of the best BW progamers are leaving the game because of how it is, changes could happen. Passion is relative to how well a player is doing/earning. While Flash might be losing passion, Bogus does not, he even said he enjoyed SC2 more. Even if all great BW players retire, it doesn't mean Blizzard will take that as a sign that their game is bad, as many players will retire because of pay cut/ not being competitive. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 17 2013 10:25 Xiphos wrote: And they were able to support it fine. Before they had two legs to stand on, LoL and BW. Now that SC2 is faltering, only one pillar. Right, but now they have a " pillar " just as big as the pillar that BW was in 2006. They don't need anything else, I don't think they would " profit " at all from BW being more popular than sc2 because it would still be a lot less popular than LoL. So while staying with BW would have made more fans in Korea happy, overall to them it probably doesn't matter. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On September 17 2013 10:25 Xiphos wrote: And they were able to support it fine. Before they had two legs to stand on, LoL and BW. Now that SC2 is faltering, only one pillar. Do you usually charge for fortune telling or what? There is absolutely no way that anyone can know how BW's numbers would look today had there been no sc2 switch, but if it makes you feel better to just pretend that you know that BW would weather the MOBA storm, I guess more power to you. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 17 2013 10:33 farvacola wrote: Do you usually charge for fortune telling or what? There is absolutely no way that anyone can know how BW's numbers would look today had there been no sc2 switch, but if it makes you feel better to just pretend that you know that BW would weather the MOBA storm, I guess more power to you. Before Kespa's switch, LoL was already considered to be the powerhouse of esport in 2012 but BW's number still relatively strong. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for SC2. On September 17 2013 10:32 Dodgin wrote: Right, but now they have a " pillar " just as big as the pillar that BW was in 2006. They don't need anything else, I don't think they would " profit " at all from BW being more popular than sc2 because it would still be a lot less popular than LoL. So while staying with BW would have made more fans in Korea happy, overall to them it probably doesn't matter. Just to let you know, BW was still considered as the number one undisputed ESPORT title in Korea even in 2011. Read here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=428498¤tpage=14#269 I'm not sure how much surplus monetary gains they would get from BW vs SC2 but I surely know that by possessing a more domestically popular game in your repertoires is far more efficacious than another inferior one in terms of, together with money-wise, and as you said, fan relationship. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Maybe BW could have continued for longer than sc2 will alongside LoL but It's not some kind of permanent solution, they would still need an exit strategy for when the popularity of the game reached a point where it was no longer feasible to run competitions(something that I fear doesn't exist for sc2). I think part of the reason for Kespa's continued support of Starcraft, more so than Blizzard's support, is them having no idea what to do with all the BW pro players if they abandon their system. 100~ pro players + team staff would suddenly be unemployed and it would look awful for them to abandon them. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 17 2013 10:51 Dodgin wrote: I'm not denying that it would be better for BW to still be alive professionally, just saying that Kespa probably isn't kicking themselves over the death of BW. If anything what Kespa most likely regrets the most is not being able to transfer the fandom of some BW players like Jaedong over to LoL to increase Its popularity even further(LoL has its own stars now, but it wasn't always like that). Maybe BW could have continued for longer than sc2 will alongside LoL but It's not some kind of permanent solution, they would still need an exit strategy for when the popularity of the game reached a point where it was no longer feasible to run competitions(something that I fear doesn't exist for sc2). I think part of the reason for Kespa's continued support of Starcraft, more so than Blizzard's support, is them having no idea what to do with all the BW pro players if they abandon their system. 100~ pro players + team staff would suddenly be unemployed and it would look awful for them to abandon them. LoL has a vibrant foreign scene. SC2 has a much stronger foreign scene than BW. It makes sense for Kespa to use SC2 to bumper their foreign presence with LoL being their primary game. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 16 2013 13:09 Kinky wrote: Wow, SKT losing two players recently is pretty saddening  Team's downsizing less seats; players don't like the direction; etc. There are many variables in play here. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 17 2013 11:01 lichter wrote: LoL has a vibrant foreign scene. SC2 has a much stronger foreign scene than BW. It makes sense for Kespa to use SC2 to bumper their foreign presence with LoL being their primary game. Can we please stop comparing the SC2 scene to the BW scene? It's an unfair comparison. You guys are very fortunate to have the money we do now. | ||
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