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fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:27:49
October 06 2013 19:23 GMT
#421
Let's say Korea goes top 5

Soulkey
Maru
Dear
soO
PartinG


America goes top 6

Polt
Taeja
Jaedong
HerO
Hack
Macsed

And season finals goes top 8

Soulkey
MMA
MC
Maru
duckdeok
HerO
Jaedong
Polt

That would I think guarantee Naniwa being safe, assuming forGG or TLO don't win (or forGG top 4) IEM.

And that was just random picks there are many other scenarios that would be the same. It just requires a certain few players not doing too well.
Trius
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine273 Posts
October 06 2013 19:25 GMT
#422
On October 07 2013 04:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:16 Trius wrote:
sOs is playing at IEM, has more WCS points than Mvp and has less chances than Mvp?

Bear in mind, that this is randomized simulation.

I know, but it looks strange.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 06 2013 19:26 GMT
#423
On October 07 2013 04:20 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:19 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:14 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:11 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:08 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:07 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
How is it that if Naniwa finishes 16th at IEM he has 0% chance? He's rank 16 right now, there must be some chance that no one behind him catches up.. there is a bit of a gap between him and anyone still in the running behind him.

Did you factor in the points people will be getting in the future? There are already 9 players confirmed to the season finals.


Yes the Liquipedia standings include those

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Yea but not all of the players will be making the minimum points, many of them will make much more.


Is that certain? Can't most of the points go to people ahead of Naniwa already?

Half of the 16 players going to the season finals will make more than the minimum amount of points. I think as it is now already it cannot be only players ahead of Naniwa.


If Jaedong Hero Taeja Polt take 4 of the AM slots thats 9 players ahead, only 8 guaranteed to advance. Even if some do advance many need much more than that to pass Nani

I'm curious about this as well, going to investigate.

Oh it's because Naniwa won in challenger league. Hmm I really don't want to program in the challenger leagues lol.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 19:26 GMT
#424
On October 07 2013 04:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Let's say Korea goes top 5

Soulkey
Maru
Dear
soO
PartinG


America goes top 6

Polt
Taeja
Jaedong
HerO
Hack
Macsed

And season finals goes top 8

Soulkey
MMA
MC
Maru
duckdeok
HerO
Jaedong
Polt

That would I think guarantee Naniwa being safe, assuming forGG or TLO don't win (or forGG second) IEM and Naniwa get 16th

That raises question of chances of this happening. For one, Polt, Hack and Macsed may bomb out before getting there (Polt is back to studies, so there is a chance).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:28:35
October 06 2013 19:28 GMT
#425
On October 07 2013 04:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Let's say Korea goes top 5

Soulkey
Maru
Dear
soO
PartinG


America goes top 6

Polt
Taeja
Jaedong
HerO
Hack
Macsed

And season finals goes top 8

Soulkey
MMA
MC
Maru
duckdeok
HerO
Jaedong
Polt

That would I think guarantee Naniwa being safe, assuming forGG or TLO don't win (or forGG second) IEM and Naniwa get 16th

That raises question of chances of this happening. For one, Polt, Hack and Macsed may bomb out before getting there (Polt is back to studies, so there is a chance).


that was just random picks there are many other scenarios that would be the same. It just requires a certain few players not doing too well.

And anyway it's not 0%
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
October 06 2013 19:29 GMT
#426
On October 07 2013 04:26 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:20 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:19 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:14 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:11 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:08 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:07 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
How is it that if Naniwa finishes 16th at IEM he has 0% chance? He's rank 16 right now, there must be some chance that no one behind him catches up.. there is a bit of a gap between him and anyone still in the running behind him.

Did you factor in the points people will be getting in the future? There are already 9 players confirmed to the season finals.


Yes the Liquipedia standings include those

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Yea but not all of the players will be making the minimum points, many of them will make much more.


Is that certain? Can't most of the points go to people ahead of Naniwa already?

Half of the 16 players going to the season finals will make more than the minimum amount of points. I think as it is now already it cannot be only players ahead of Naniwa.


If Jaedong Hero Taeja Polt take 4 of the AM slots thats 9 players ahead, only 8 guaranteed to advance. Even if some do advance many need much more than that to pass Nani

I'm curious about this as well, going to investigate.

Oh it's because Naniwa won in challenger league. Hmm I really don't want to program in the challenger leagues lol.


Can you just add 75 points to his baseline?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 06 2013 19:29 GMT
#427
On October 07 2013 04:28 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Let's say Korea goes top 5

Soulkey
Maru
Dear
soO
PartinG


America goes top 6

Polt
Taeja
Jaedong
HerO
Hack
Macsed

And season finals goes top 8

Soulkey
MMA
MC
Maru
duckdeok
HerO
Jaedong
Polt

That would I think guarantee Naniwa being safe, assuming forGG or TLO don't win (or forGG second) IEM and Naniwa get 16th

That raises question of chances of this happening. For one, Polt, Hack and Macsed may bomb out before getting there (Polt is back to studies, so there is a chance).


that was just random picks there are many other scenarios that would be the same. It just requires a certain few players not doing too well.

And anyway it's not 0%

No you're right, it's the extra 75 points that he won in challenger league that I'm not counting making a pretty big difference.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:37:02
October 06 2013 19:30 GMT
#428
On October 07 2013 04:29 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:20 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:19 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:14 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:11 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:08 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:07 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
How is it that if Naniwa finishes 16th at IEM he has 0% chance? He's rank 16 right now, there must be some chance that no one behind him catches up.. there is a bit of a gap between him and anyone still in the running behind him.

Did you factor in the points people will be getting in the future? There are already 9 players confirmed to the season finals.


Yes the Liquipedia standings include those

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Yea but not all of the players will be making the minimum points, many of them will make much more.


Is that certain? Can't most of the points go to people ahead of Naniwa already?

Half of the 16 players going to the season finals will make more than the minimum amount of points. I think as it is now already it cannot be only players ahead of Naniwa.


If Jaedong Hero Taeja Polt take 4 of the AM slots thats 9 players ahead, only 8 guaranteed to advance. Even if some do advance many need much more than that to pass Nani

I'm curious about this as well, going to investigate.

Oh it's because Naniwa won in challenger league. Hmm I really don't want to program in the challenger leagues lol.


Can you just add 75 points to his baseline?

Well that would be easy, I could just manually give the points to the players in challenger league who actually have a chance <100% and >0% (in reality).

I think it's just sOs, aLive, Mvp, Revival (but these matches haven't been played yet), Naniwa, ForGG. Are there any others?
Only sOs and Naniwa have already earned more than the 25 minimum points, so those are the only 2 I need to change?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
October 06 2013 19:33 GMT
#429
I think that Hyun is Naniwas biggest obstacle. If Hyun makes it to top 6 in NA and finishes just a single round later than Naniwa at IEM, he will take Naniwas spot.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:41:57
October 06 2013 19:38 GMT
#430
On October 07 2013 04:30 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:29 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:20 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:19 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:14 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:11 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:08 Die4Ever wrote:
[quote]
Did you factor in the points people will be getting in the future? There are already 9 players confirmed to the season finals.


Yes the Liquipedia standings include those

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Yea but not all of the players will be making the minimum points, many of them will make much more.


Is that certain? Can't most of the points go to people ahead of Naniwa already?

Half of the 16 players going to the season finals will make more than the minimum amount of points. I think as it is now already it cannot be only players ahead of Naniwa.


If Jaedong Hero Taeja Polt take 4 of the AM slots thats 9 players ahead, only 8 guaranteed to advance. Even if some do advance many need much more than that to pass Nani

I'm curious about this as well, going to investigate.

Oh it's because Naniwa won in challenger league. Hmm I really don't want to program in the challenger leagues lol.


Can you just add 75 points to his baseline?

Well that would be easy, I could just manually give the points to the players in challenger league who actually have a chance <100% and >0% (in reality).

I think it's just sOs, aLive, Mvp, Revival (but these matches haven't been played yet), Naniwa, ForGG. Are there any others?
Only sOs and Naniwa have already earned more than the 25 minimum points, so those are the only 2 I need to change?


Yeah, sOs 50, Naniwa 100

TLO also along with the others for unplayed matches
kevorski
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10 Posts
October 06 2013 19:41 GMT
#431
i would love to see the code behind all this, looks fun
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 06 2013 19:45 GMT
#432
On October 07 2013 04:38 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:30 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:29 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:20 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:19 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:14 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:11 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
[quote]

Yes the Liquipedia standings include those

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Yea but not all of the players will be making the minimum points, many of them will make much more.


Is that certain? Can't most of the points go to people ahead of Naniwa already?

Half of the 16 players going to the season finals will make more than the minimum amount of points. I think as it is now already it cannot be only players ahead of Naniwa.


If Jaedong Hero Taeja Polt take 4 of the AM slots thats 9 players ahead, only 8 guaranteed to advance. Even if some do advance many need much more than that to pass Nani

I'm curious about this as well, going to investigate.

Oh it's because Naniwa won in challenger league. Hmm I really don't want to program in the challenger leagues lol.


Can you just add 75 points to his baseline?

Well that would be easy, I could just manually give the points to the players in challenger league who actually have a chance <100% and >0% (in reality).

I think it's just sOs, aLive, Mvp, Revival (but these matches haven't been played yet), Naniwa, ForGG. Are there any others?
Only sOs and Naniwa have already earned more than the 25 minimum points, so those are the only 2 I need to change?


Yeah, sOs 50, Naniwa 100

TLO also along with the others for unplayed matches

So I ran a quick test with Naniwa getting his 100 points for challenger, and getting the 150 points for IEM getting 3rd place in his ro16 group, without aligulac, he has a 1.63% chance. I'm glad to know it wasn't a huge difference lol. Thanks for the catch though, gonna do a new full update.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 06 2013 19:47 GMT
#433
If TLO wins his challenger league bracket and gets the full 100 points, without aligulac, his chances are 0.118%
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Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
October 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#434
On October 07 2013 04:33 Prog455 wrote:
I think that Hyun is Naniwas biggest obstacle. If Hyun makes it to top 6 in NA and finishes just a single round later than Naniwa at IEM, he will take Naniwas spot.

What about Scarlett? Shes not at IEM, but imho she has an easier Ro16 group and is also 350 up on Hyun atm.
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
October 06 2013 19:50 GMT
#435
On October 07 2013 04:45 Die4Ever wrote:
So I ran a quick test with Naniwa getting his 100 points for challenger, and getting the 150 points for IEM getting 3rd place in his ro16 group, without aligulac, he has a 1.63% chance. I'm glad to know it wasn't a huge difference lol. Thanks for the catch though, gonna do a new full update.


On October 07 2013 04:47 Die4Ever wrote:
If TLO wins his challenger league bracket and gets the full 100 points, without aligulac, his chances are 0.118%


So you're telling me there's a chance...

Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:53:42
October 06 2013 19:52 GMT
#436
On October 07 2013 04:47 Die4Ever wrote:
If TLO wins his challenger league bracket and gets the full 100 points, without aligulac, his chances are 0.118%

TLO already lost his challenger league bracket.
He's still in for the group stage, but thats only 50 points possible.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Europe/Challenger#Bracket_Stage
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
October 06 2013 19:53 GMT
#437
Yeah I just remembered TLO, Mvp, and ForGG can only get 50.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 06 2013 20:20 GMT
#438
On October 07 2013 04:52 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:47 Die4Ever wrote:
If TLO wins his challenger league bracket and gets the full 100 points, without aligulac, his chances are 0.118%

TLO already lost his challenger league bracket.
He's still in for the group stage, but thats only 50 points possible.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Europe/Challenger#Bracket_Stage

Oops too late, I already did it with 100, oh well it doesn't make a big difference.
New update with Naniwa earning 100 points instead of 25 from challenger, TLO earning 100 instead of 25, and sOs earning 50 instead of 25.
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Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
October 06 2013 22:51 GMT
#439
It makes me happy to see that among scarlett, Hyun, Vortix, Revival and sOo there is quite a reasonable chance that we'll have 4 zergs in the finals, rather than 2.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 06 2013 22:54 GMT
#440
Mvp's chances are going down, so scary. If two completely random players make top at 2 at season finals and he gets passed by duckduck it could be bad. revival and naniwa have no way to pass him though. even if naniwa wins IEM NYC he would have 3500.
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