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Yrr
Germany805 Posts
On October 04 2013 23:56 ffadicted wrote: Player Split:  Korean (16)League Split: WCS Korea (6) WCS America (6) WCS Europe (3)You missed one player from WCS Europe.  | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On October 05 2013 05:33 Waise wrote: if the top 16 were something like 8 koreans and 8 foreigners, the 8 koreans would stomp, the ro8 would just be koreans anyway, and people would still complain. either that or the bracket would have koreans eliminating each other and you would end up with crappy, lopsided korean vs foreigner series in the ro8/ro4, which would make a joke out of the finals we can either have residency locked regional finals or we can throw foreigners into the same pit as koreans, you can't have it both ways and expect foreigners to fall ass backward into top tournament spots they don't deserve yeah right, because Naniwa did absolutely not beat Innovation and Duckdeok at the last season finals, and neither did scarlett beat Maru and MMA. It's impossible that a foreigner ever wins vs a korean. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 05 2013 22:33 phagga wrote: yeah right, because Naniwa did absolutely not beat Innovation and Duckdeok at the last season finals, and neither did scarlett beat Maru and MMA. It's impossible that a foreigner ever wins vs a korean. 2 exceptions that generally confirm the rule. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On October 05 2013 23:18 lolfail9001 wrote: 2 exceptions that generally confirm the rule. I absolutely loathe the expression "the exception confirms the rule". It misuse of a good expression, and very wide spread. It is originally a latin expression "exceptio probat regulem de rebus non exceptis", the first half is that the exception confirms the rule, "de rebus non exceptis" adds "in cases not excepted" which is CRUCIAL. What it then says is that the rule (for example: "you may not ride vehicles in parks") holds in all cases, except for the explicit exceptions (For example, there's an addition to the rule which says "Except for bikes".) So if you have someone driving a motorcycle, you check whether it is among the exceptions. In this case, it is not. As the drafter of the text explicitly specified that bikes are allowed, and did not do so with motorcycles, we conclude that the drafter of the text intended to outlaw motorcycles. So we say that the exception (bike), confirms the rule (no vehicles), for all other cases (motorcycles). | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On October 05 2013 23:18 lolfail9001 wrote: 2 exceptions that generally confirm the rule. There is no rule, only people wanting foreigners doing bad for some reason. The two quoted examples are by far not the only times were foreigners beat koreans, and saying that koreans beat foreigners so often that we can deduce some sort of rule is just plain ignorant. | ||
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Plasmid
57 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ForGG, 30550/300000, started with 1950 WCS points, 10.1833%- Hide Spoiler [IF Game Changers] - ForGG starts in the round of 12 in IEM facing sOs, HuK ForGG loses this match 0.00% of the time, which decreases ForGG's chances to -1.#J%. I dont know where the problem stems for, but it made me laugh  | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On October 05 2013 22:33 phagga wrote: yeah right, because Naniwa did absolutely not beat Innovation and Duckdeok at the last season finals, and neither did scarlett beat Maru and MMA. It's impossible that a foreigner ever wins vs a korean. I agree with Scarlett, but not with Naniwa. for Naniwa vs duckdeok, sure Naniwa won, but duckdeok wouldnt be anywhere near a top 8 korean lists. for Naniwa va Inno, to my eyes Inno was on massive tilt after losing to taeja. Inno played TERRIBLE. was all caps necessary? YES; because he played that bad. So basically in my opinion, if you try to make an argument in favor of foreigners, do it around Scarlett straight up beating the KR champ, not Naniwa winning 2 games of inno throwing tons of units away. just my 2 cents on the issue. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 06 2013 00:11 phagga wrote: There is no rule, only people wanting foreigners doing bad for some reason. The two quoted examples are by far not the only times were foreigners beat koreans, and saying that koreans beat foreigners so often that we can deduce some sort of rule is just plain ignorant. But they are only example of foreigners beating top koreans. P. S. thanks for reminding me about origin of expression. But in my case, it just confirms the rule, that players, who actually practiced ALOT in Korea's team house environment are more then capable of taking games and series from koreans, compared to most of other foreigners, who did not practice there. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On October 06 2013 01:36 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: I agree with Scarlett, but not with Naniwa. for Naniwa vs duckdeok, sure Naniwa won, but duckdeok wouldnt be anywhere near a top 8 korean lists. for Naniwa va Inno, to my eyes Inno was on massive tilt after losing to taeja. Inno played TERRIBLE. was all caps necessary? YES; because he played that bad. So basically in my opinion, if you try to make an argument in favor of foreigners, do it around Scarlett straight up beating the KR champ, not Naniwa winning 2 games of inno throwing tons of units away. just my 2 cents on the issue. Naniwa has won against strong koreans before and at IEM he will have to do this again in order to qualify. | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On October 06 2013 02:00 Sandermatt wrote: Naniwa has won against strong koreans before and at IEM he will have to do this again in order to qualify. Yeah I know, sorry if i went off a bit there  I really just hate when people use that match as an example for something. | ||
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trudodyr
182 Posts
On October 05 2013 23:23 Ghanburighan wrote:I absolutely loathe the expression "the exception confirms the rule". It misuse of a good expression, and very wide spread. It is originally a latin expression "exceptio probat regulem de rebus non exceptis", the first half is that the exception confirms the rule, "de rebus non exceptis" adds "in cases not excepted" which is CRUCIAL. What it then says is that the rule (for example: "you may not ride vehicles in parks") holds in all cases, except for the explicit exceptions (For example, there's an addition to the rule which says "Except for bikes".) So if you have someone driving a motorcycle, you check whether it is among the exceptions. In this case, it is not. As the drafter of the text explicitly specified that bikes are allowed, and did not do so with motorcycles, we conclude that the drafter of the text intended to outlaw motorcycles. So we say that the exception (bike), confirms the rule (no vehicles), for all other cases (motorcycles). Thanks, I didn't know that (and can see why it would anger you to hear the expression misused so frequently). | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
Which makes MC basically a lock! yay! Unfortunately for duckdeok, his year now basically depends on whether or not he can win the 5th place spot to season 3 finals. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On October 06 2013 01:36 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: I agree with Scarlett, but not with Naniwa. for Naniwa vs duckdeok, sure Naniwa won, but duckdeok wouldnt be anywhere near a top 8 korean lists. for Naniwa va Inno, to my eyes Inno was on massive tilt after losing to taeja. Inno played TERRIBLE. was all caps necessary? YES; because he played that bad. So basically in my opinion, if you try to make an argument in favor of foreigners, do it around Scarlett straight up beating the KR champ, not Naniwa winning 2 games of inno throwing tons of units away. just my 2 cents on the issue. Exactly as I said, people wanting foreigners to do bad for some reason. | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On October 06 2013 03:25 phagga wrote: Exactly as I said, people wanting foreigners to do bad for some reason. Rather than saying we want them to do bad, I'd say its more of a collective observation of the tournaments for the last year and a half or so and seeing 0 foreigners win. Upsets here and there are always pleasant surprises, but if you never ever win, you arent really competing. Thus we have kinda lost faith in foreigners due to lack of tourney wins. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. Its just where many of us are at and will stay until a foreigner wins a tourney to change our minds. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I'm just frustrated that some people are so extremely negative towards foreign players. I know that Blizzcon is going to be won by a korean, but I also know that there are a few foreigners who could get far at Blizzcon. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On October 06 2013 04:35 painkilla wrote: So it Mvp qualifies for Blizzcon, it will be by the skin of his teeth. If not I will be hating on Alive for getting them free WCS points. I think the simulation might not have used the correct probabilities. It is safe to say that Korean Z/P ALWAYS win against foreigner in Bo5+. Thus the odds for matches like MC - Targa, DD-foreigner, Hyun-foreigner... etc should be like 100%. VortiX is korean? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On October 06 2013 04:35 painkilla wrote: So it Mvp qualifies for Blizzcon, it will be by the skin of his teeth. If not I will be hating on Alive for getting them free WCS points. I think the simulation might not have used the correct probabilities. It is safe to say that Korean Z/P ALWAYS win against foreigner in Bo5+. Thus the odds for matches like MC - Targa, DD-foreigner, Hyun-foreigner... etc should be like 100%. 99% is "the skin of his teeth" ? Mvp will easily qualify for BlizzCon. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
So NaNiwa needs pretty much a ro4 at IEM NY now, with the results from today and bad luck in Europe and Koreas placement matches he might find himself in 17th place soon (no idea at what date KR placement matches are though | ||
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