On September 02 2013 13:34 Arco wrote: It's kind of mind boggling how David Kim hasn't figured out the key to fixing TvZ without nerfing Terran lies in the Infestor.
It was a crucial unit in bridging the gap from Lair to Hive tech in WoL. Vortix has said the Infestor needs a buff for TvZ. Now MC says it. I think they could do something like add a +Biological damage tag to Fungal Growth. Funny thing is, that might help with reducing Mutalisk usage in ZvZ too, since that's what they wanted. Additionally, maybe they could make Fungal Growth prevent Widow Mines from firing. Maybe this will actually force Terran to build some Siege Tanks to deal with Infestors, like Lurkers forced Siege Tanks in BW.
They should also take the flying attack away from Widow Mines to encourage Mutalisk harassment and make engaging Bio/Mine armies with Mutalisks less risky.
It'd be nice to buff/rework Zerg abilities/units that actually force Terran to build something other than Biomine. In Brood War once you reached the very late game, a mech transition was favorable so you could use Spider Mines and Siege Tanks to help deal with Ultralisks/Dark Swarm. Maybe do something so that Terran needs to incorporate Ravens into their composition earlier than
Finally, I'd like to see Scourge in LotV. This will allow for Zerg players to play more aggressive with their Mutalisks instead of having to take a map control/defensive stance to stop drops.
I think there is only one problem in current situation - David Kim. He failed in WoL and failing in HoTS. We need some talented and creative guy to replace him in order to save sc2.
GUYS stop pitch forking vs David Kim, he isn't DESIGNING the game.
Blame Dustin Browder!
He makes decisions regarding design choices.
isn't he who's forcing bio/mine like no other day and Believing that the faster units run and die, the better the esports? Last time I checked he was a senior designer. And Dustin Browder is a more of a community guy who just leads his team and concerned about campaign and battle.net. DK directly works on multiplayer and decides how it should be. And his latest interviews showed that he has different views than the community's.
Honestly, I don't really think Blizzard really care about SC2 anymore as they ain't making money from it anymore. Yes they still have LotV to come out but jusdging from the looks of it, HotS is just WoL with newly designed unit from the Editor and shuffled the balance stats there and there, work that can be done under a week by an above average programmer (But gotta admit that the cinematic were awe-inspiring). So for LotV, all they need is a minuscule task force that get paid for couple of thousands but in end, the game will still be a able to sell decently. Any surplus work the do is just more money they are losing.
I hope they prove that statement wrong though but I wouldn't bet on it.
They cared about it during hots beta and I really thought that was going to happen as well, lots of statements, balancing issues and thoughts were given etc. Then after the game is released, almost nothing from them I expect the same thing to happen during lotv beta.
"We have seen from our statistics that TvZ is balanced and we feel that this does not support any changes. We are listening in on what people are saying but do not care really. We feel we can't take out the excitement of seeing the exact same compositions game after game. You are wrong. I am right. Also gay."
blizzard should listen to this .. even a protoss pro-player is saying that tvz is wrong .. why dont just blizzard make the damn matchup not just muta-ling-bane vs mmmm .. why cant they just give both terrans and zerg viability in compositions in both sides ?
because they are scared that the so called "exciting" matchup will be gone ... tsk .. no diversity is bad ...
It bothers me that on TL we're not allowed to call any imbalances, even when it's clearly happening. WoL pvz inbalance? NOPE, if you dare call brood infestor OP, you're banned. When HoTs came out, Wol didn't matter and everybody can easily say it was broken. What's the problem with this? TvZ right now is (more than a little) in the terran's favor. It's not unwinnable, as MC says - the zerg always has a chance to win the game, but the mistake it takes a zerg to "throw" it is a fraction of what it takes for the terran to lose it. I'm not angry about it, I even main terran, but it's just a little sad to watch sometimes (MC mentions this as a contribution to why it's not so popular)
Either way, that wasn't the core of MC's post, but which I do agree with. Unfortunately we can only rely on what Blizzard does to help the game grow. I'll continue to watch it because I love it, "the game is dying" isn't something I really care about or agree with, but it's certainly losing its position.
Thank you for the translation, it's important to hear views and opinions from the pros especially at a time like this when confidence is low. Hoping the design team take an interest in such views
On September 02 2013 14:07 Zenbrez wrote: It bothers me that on TL we're not allowed to call any imbalances, even when it's clearly happening. WoL pvz inbalance? NOPE, if you dare call brood infestor OP, you're banned. When HoTs came out, Wol didn't matter and everybody can easily say it was broken. What's the problem with this? TvZ right now is (more than a little) in the terran's favor. It's not unwinnable, as MC says - the zerg always has a chance to win the game, but the mistake it takes a zerg to "throw" it is a fraction of what it takes for the terran to lose it. I'm not angry about it, I even main terran, but it's just a little sad to watch sometimes (MC mentions this as a contribution to why it's not so popular)
Either way, that wasn't the core of MC's post, but which I do agree with. Unfortunately we can only rely on what Blizzard does to help the game grow. I'll continue to watch it because I love it, "the game is dying" isn't something I really care about or agree with, but it's certainly losing its position.
On September 02 2013 14:07 Zenbrez wrote: It bothers me that on TL we're not allowed to call any imbalances, even when it's clearly happening. WoL pvz inbalance? NOPE, if you dare call brood infestor OP, you're banned. When HoTs came out, Wol didn't matter and everybody can easily say it was broken. What's the problem with this? TvZ right now is (more than a little) in the terran's favor. It's not unwinnable, as MC says - the zerg always has a chance to win the game, but the mistake it takes a zerg to "throw" it is a fraction of what it takes for the terran to lose it. I'm not angry about it, I even main terran, but it's just a little sad to watch sometimes (MC mentions this as a contribution to why it's not so popular)
Either way, that wasn't the core of MC's post, but which I do agree with. Unfortunately we can only rely on what Blizzard does to help the game grow. I'll continue to watch it because I love it, "the game is dying" isn't something I really care about or agree with, but it's certainly losing its position.
MC isn't even complaining about balance in TvZ. It's just a rather boring matchup with terran rallying a bunch of stuff accross the map and either win or lose (mostly win these days in top level KR). I'm terran and I find it boring to watch, even though we are dominating the matchup. If terran was losing, i'd be bored AND frustrated, so I guess this is what zergs are feeling I feel like it's going to be really hard to get this matchup interesting again. A nerf to mines and say terrans go back to tanks, I think it will lead to more WoL style play where terran sits around to 2-2 and 1-0 tanks and makes 1 push out etc. Mech is useless against viper/roach/hydra and swarmhosts. I dunno how this matchup will return back to its glory days of 2011ish.
Agree with pretty much everything MC said, great interview Shame on me for disliking the Boss Toss in his dominant era, he is great for the game.
On September 02 2013 14:07 Zenbrez wrote: It bothers me that on TL we're not allowed to call any imbalances, even when it's clearly happening. WoL pvz inbalance? NOPE, if you dare call brood infestor OP, you're banned. When HoTs came out, Wol didn't matter and everybody can easily say it was broken. What's the problem with this? TvZ right now is (more than a little) in the terran's favor. It's not unwinnable, as MC says - the zerg always has a chance to win the game, but the mistake it takes a zerg to "throw" it is a fraction of what it takes for the terran to lose it. I'm not angry about it, I even main terran, but it's just a little sad to watch sometimes (MC mentions this as a contribution to why it's not so popular)
Either way, that wasn't the core of MC's post, but which I do agree with. Unfortunately we can only rely on what Blizzard does to help the game grow. I'll continue to watch it because I love it, "the game is dying" isn't something I really care about or agree with, but it's certainly losing its position.
That's true I suppose. And I do agree, LR threads can get littered and it just becomes depressing to read, so I do agree rules should be in place. Butttttttttttttttttt as I type this, I guess I agree nothing should really change lol.
On September 02 2013 13:47 NoGasfOu wrote: MC would be nothing if he has both personality and English but without the 390k under his belt. Nobody would remember him.
Good thing he has ALL of those things. And because he manages to have ALL of those things he will be remembered longer than the players who only have one or the other.
You're missing the point, MC says having results isnt everything. Connecting with fans is important, if MC didnt make himself so personable and connect with his fans like he does he wouldn't be very popular right now because his results aren't top notch right now.
Its a COMBINATION of the two.
MC's popularity is a result of his winnings during the 'golden age' of SC2 in which there were a lot more SC2 fans than now. Look at Mvp, Nestea and Flash! None of them has no personality or jack. I've never heard any of them speaking English. The opposite of reaching out to fans can result in a 'rare' product, too, which Kespa has been using all these years on their star players. Once you've exposed yourself out to the fans too much, you're not of a rare star (or product) anymore. Star power can also come from being hard-to-reach by fans.
Just look at Jaedong! He's exposing himself too much by streaming and interacting with fans. This morning he typed something in the chat like this: "my fucking 4 hatch" to create interaction with fans. If you compare the current Jaedong to the superstar Jaedong under Kespa who was a 'rare product' and didn't have to do or say silly stuffs to win fans. If you compare the number of viewers he has had when started streaming after leaving a Kespa team with that of present. Just to show you that exposing yourself too much to the fans is not always a good thing. Being 'rare' and not 'reachable' can also make you a superstar. You just need to win a ton of tournaments and things will go your way. Too much interaction with fans can also result in a bad thing.
On September 02 2013 13:47 NoGasfOu wrote: MC would be nothing if he has both personality and English but without the 390k under his belt. Nobody would remember him.
Good thing he has ALL of those things. And because he manages to have ALL of those things he will be remembered longer than the players who only have one or the other.
You're missing the point, MC says having results isnt everything. Connecting with fans is important, if MC didnt make himself so personable and connect with his fans like he does he wouldn't be very popular right now because his results aren't top notch right now.
Its a COMBINATION of the two.
MC's popularity is a result of his winnings during the 'golden age' of SC2 in which there were a lot more SC2 fans than now. Look at Mvp, Nestea and Flash! None of them has no personality or jack. I've never heard any of them speaking English. The opposite of reaching out to fans can result in a 'rare' product, too, which Kespa has been using all these years on their star players. Once you've exposed yourself out to the fans too much, you're not of a rare star (or product) anymore. Star power can also come from being hard-to-reach by fans.
Just look at Jaedong! He's exposing himself too much by streaming and interacting with fans. This morning he typed something in the chat like this: "my fucking 4 hatch" to create interaction with fans. If you compare the current Jaedong to the superstar Jaedong under Kespa who was a 'rare product' and didn't have to do or say silly stuffs to win fans. If you compare the number of viewers he has had when started streaming after leaving a Kespa team with that of present. Just to show you that exposing yourself too much to the fans is not always a good thing. Being 'rare' and not 'reachable' can also make you a superstar. You just need to win a ton of tournaments and things will go your way. Too much interaction with fans can also result in a bad thing.
i think he wasnt interacting .. he was typing out his frustration
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