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On August 17 2013 04:54 negativedge wrote:
anyone want to summarize what I'm sure is mounds of bullshit drama over the proceeding 19 pages?
sure.
Axiom not going to make finals.
Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe.
TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her.
Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back.
TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though).
TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna).
TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter.
hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well.
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On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m
@takesen I'm sorry that I lashed out at you in anger. You didn't deserve that, you do so much for the scene and I respect that massively. All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say.
Please ignore Plansix, he does this in every thread. I think he has a learning disability. He somehow learned to post on threads before he learned how to read.
User was temp banned for this post.
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There's enough drama in e-sports for a reality show, someone needs to pitch this to some terrible tvnetwork
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On August 17 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 03:56 Falling wrote:On August 17 2013 03:45 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:43 GunPaladin wrote:
Good on TB for apologizing, hopefully he does the same for his MVP comments. Maybe now this whole ordeal can die off. I think we need a TL rule for dumb tweets. The person should have a 24 hour window to apologize before it becomes “real” drama. 36 hours if it involves family members. I think it was Shamus Young podcast (the Diecast) I was listening to where they weighed into the whole Phil Fish controversy. Part of the nature of modern video games is the immediacy of everything. Under the old industry, you would have a buffer system between yourself and the audience/ consumers. So then there would be a delay in which prepared statements could be made and everything is a lot less dramatic. Now there is immediate and direct access. Which can be really cool. You get direct communication with those creating stuff. But it can also be really raw and messy because fewer things get filtered or allowed to percolate until emotions can cool off and a more reasonable, but still truthful statement can be made. So yes, we probably will continue to see 'action or statement' followed by 'e-drama' followed by 'retraction and more e-drama.' It's more direct, personal, and it happens much quicker and can flare up bigger. Giant Bomb had a similar discussion when it come to the Microsoft press conference and all the twitter buzz around that. They pointed out that all the Twitter buzz was just a bunch of people posting the first thing that came to their mind when they saw the press conference, based on limited information. Due to it being a first impression on limited, to zero information, the tweets were basically worthless for anyone attempting to make an informed decision. Yet the next day, people were reporting on the negative twitter buzz surrounding the conference. At the end of the day, I don’t really take twitter seriously and I don’t think anyone should. It is instant access to a person’s thoughts without much filter and I hope people use it more responsibility in the future.
Maybe one question is:
Why did people need to post everything in their minds and about their lifes on twitter, facebook, etc?
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On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 04:54 negativedge wrote:
anyone want to summarize what I'm sure is mounds of bullshit drama over the proceeding 19 pages? sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well.
thanks for the summary.
it might even be good to put this at the top of a thread where the entire issue "from beginning to end" can be discussed.
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On August 17 2013 05:08 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:56 Falling wrote:On August 17 2013 03:45 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:43 GunPaladin wrote:
Good on TB for apologizing, hopefully he does the same for his MVP comments. Maybe now this whole ordeal can die off. I think we need a TL rule for dumb tweets. The person should have a 24 hour window to apologize before it becomes “real” drama. 36 hours if it involves family members. I think it was Shamus Young podcast (the Diecast) I was listening to where they weighed into the whole Phil Fish controversy. Part of the nature of modern video games is the immediacy of everything. Under the old industry, you would have a buffer system between yourself and the audience/ consumers. So then there would be a delay in which prepared statements could be made and everything is a lot less dramatic. Now there is immediate and direct access. Which can be really cool. You get direct communication with those creating stuff. But it can also be really raw and messy because fewer things get filtered or allowed to percolate until emotions can cool off and a more reasonable, but still truthful statement can be made. So yes, we probably will continue to see 'action or statement' followed by 'e-drama' followed by 'retraction and more e-drama.' It's more direct, personal, and it happens much quicker and can flare up bigger. Giant Bomb had a similar discussion when it come to the Microsoft press conference and all the twitter buzz around that. They pointed out that all the Twitter buzz was just a bunch of people posting the first thing that came to their mind when they saw the press conference, based on limited information. Due to it being a first impression on limited, to zero information, the tweets were basically worthless for anyone attempting to make an informed decision. Yet the next day, people were reporting on the negative twitter buzz surrounding the conference. At the end of the day, I don’t really take twitter seriously and I don’t think anyone should. It is instant access to a person’s thoughts without much filter and I hope people use it more responsibility in the future. Maybe one question is: Why did people need to post everything in their minds and about their lifes on twitter, facebook, etc?
I don’t do it, but some people are very funny on twitter. I think it is a good tool, but it has the problem with any open facing system, that people can spam you. The only difference with twitter is that people can spam you with hate and they only you will see it. Even if you ban someone from twitter, they can make a new account in a minute and continue to harass you. Twitter can be fun, but it has a dark side that people are slowly realizing exists. We just had a story about a guy who works on CoD getting death threats over a balance change, I believe through twitter.
Twitter is a tool people have to learn how to use and how not to use it. Right now, we are in a weird place were we might have to easy access to people.
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as they say , "oh my team wouldnt crumble". i wont let that happen.
Not even a year . GG
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On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 04:54 negativedge wrote:
anyone want to summarize what I'm sure is mounds of bullshit drama over the proceeding 19 pages? sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well.
This is a fair assesment of the situation but i think most people forget the 3. party involved - Acer. I assume they are pretty pissed that their name got sucked in this hole thing and I'm curious if they are willing to sponsor a second season.
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On August 17 2013 05:25 Myt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 17 2013 04:54 negativedge wrote:
anyone want to summarize what I'm sure is mounds of bullshit drama over the proceeding 19 pages? sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well. This is a fair assesment of the situation but i think most people forget the 3. party involved - Acer. I assume they are pretty pissed that their name got sucked in this hole thing and I'm curious if they are willing to sponsor a second season.
according to TB, acer was cool with them and there weren't any problems. he may have referred to Team Acer, so I am not sure if that is an important distinction.
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How many more bridges does tb have left to burn? Every time some kind of drama comes up involving him he winds up making himself look bad in some way. I like some of his content, but hes really not a very likeable person or a good representative to potential sponsors
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On August 17 2013 05:03 Littlesheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m
@takesen I'm sorry that I lashed out at you in anger. You didn't deserve that, you do so much for the scene and I respect that massively. All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. Please ignore Plansix, he does this in every thread. I think he has a learning disability. He somehow learned to post on threads before he learned how to read. User was temp banned for this post.
Plansix has an allergy to strong opinions.  He shows up in every thread to write supportive statements for tournament organizers, Blizzard & random corporations, to tell us how they really are trying their best and we should calm down. Some people find this annoying and patronizing.
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On August 17 2013 06:01 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 05:03 Littlesheep wrote:On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m
@takesen I'm sorry that I lashed out at you in anger. You didn't deserve that, you do so much for the scene and I respect that massively. All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. Please ignore Plansix, he does this in every thread. I think he has a learning disability. He somehow learned to post on threads before he learned how to read. User was temp banned for this post. Plansix has an allergy to strong opinions. He shows up in every thread to write supportive statements for tournament organizers, Blizzard & random corporations, to tell us how they really are trying their best and we should calm down. Some people find this annoying and patronizing.
supportive statements are killing ESPORTS
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On August 17 2013 05:41 Jaaaaasper wrote:
How many more bridges does tb have left to burn? Every time some kind of drama comes up involving him he winds up making himself look bad in some way. I like some of his content, but hes really not a very likeable person or a good representative to potential sponsors
His immediate feelings got the better of him, but he has strong fealings for his family and his close friendy. Don't you have personns that you will immediatly defend when somebody attacks them, even verbally? He made mistakes but he was man enough to realize what he did, sort out the situation and apologize. Both parties resolved the situation in a professional manner in the end. I am willing to not hold this against them.
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On August 17 2013 06:14 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 06:12 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2013 05:41 Jaaaaasper wrote:
How many more bridges does tb have left to burn? Every time some kind of drama comes up involving him he winds up making himself look bad in some way. I like some of his content, but hes really not a very likeable person or a good representative to potential sponsors His immediate feelings got the better of him, but he has strong fealings for his family and his close friendy. Don't you have personns that you will immediatly defend when somebody attacks them, even verbally? He made mistakes but he was man enough to realize what he did, sort out the situation and apologize. Both parties resolved the situation in a professional manner in the end. I am willing to not hold this against them. you'd think a man at his age, experience and position would take the time to calm down before splurting out his emotional and potentially misinformed opinion on the internet? I'm also kind of surprised that no one seems particularly interested in the fact that private and assumed confidential conversations were posted on the internet? Especially in this kind of situation. It's hopelessly unprofessional, and shows a profound lack of trustworthiness.
genna's blog is chockful of people expressing their outrage at private conversations being disclosed--especially germans because i guess germans have stronger privacy laws than other countries.
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On August 17 2013 06:21 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 06:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 17 2013 06:14 monkybone wrote:On August 17 2013 06:12 Sandermatt wrote:On August 17 2013 05:41 Jaaaaasper wrote:
How many more bridges does tb have left to burn? Every time some kind of drama comes up involving him he winds up making himself look bad in some way. I like some of his content, but hes really not a very likeable person or a good representative to potential sponsors His immediate feelings got the better of him, but he has strong fealings for his family and his close friendy. Don't you have personns that you will immediatly defend when somebody attacks them, even verbally? He made mistakes but he was man enough to realize what he did, sort out the situation and apologize. Both parties resolved the situation in a professional manner in the end. I am willing to not hold this against them. you'd think a man at his age, experience and position would take the time to calm down before splurting out his emotional and potentially misinformed opinion on the internet? I'm also kind of surprised that no one seems particularly interested in the fact that private and assumed confidential conversations were posted on the internet? Especially in this kind of situation. It's hopelessly unprofessional, and shows a profound lack of trustworthiness. genna's blog is chockful of people expressing their outrage at private conversations being disclosed--especially germans because i guess germans have stronger privacy laws than other countries. It's quite a horrific thing to do in my opinion too, perhaps it's a european thing.
i dont know why people think its a solely european thing. im american and i think its unprofessional to release private business emails/conversations. just because the NSA spies on us doesnt mean we like it, damnit!!!!
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On August 17 2013 06:01 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 05:03 Littlesheep wrote:On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m
@takesen I'm sorry that I lashed out at you in anger. You didn't deserve that, you do so much for the scene and I respect that massively. All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. Please ignore Plansix, he does this in every thread. I think he has a learning disability. He somehow learned to post on threads before he learned how to read. User was temp banned for this post. Plansix has an allergy to strong opinions. He shows up in every thread to write supportive statements for tournament organizers, Blizzard & random corporations, to tell us how they really are trying their best and we should calm down. Some people find this annoying and patronizing.
Well its not ment to be, but you can be annoyed by it if you want. I just think people should take a deep breath and remember, "Yo, its video games, we all need to calm down and have fun".
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On August 17 2013 06:01 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 05:03 Littlesheep wrote:On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 3m
@takesen I'm sorry that I lashed out at you in anger. You didn't deserve that, you do so much for the scene and I respect that massively. All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. Please ignore Plansix, he does this in every thread. I think he has a learning disability. He somehow learned to post on threads before he learned how to read. User was temp banned for this post. Plansix has an allergy to strong opinions. He shows up in every thread to write supportive statements for tournament organizers, Blizzard & random corporations, to tell us how they really are trying their best and we should calm down. Some people find this annoying and patronizing.
Probably because it is annoying and patronizing; but there is hope he slows down when he reached 10k posts?
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