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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:03 AgentW wrote: Agreed, but drama diffusion is done by the community turning its back on this incident and moving on. Let's see how long that takes. It's already taken far, far too long. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:29 Ljas wrote: I still want a link to that apology tweet. On August 17 2013 03:28 ptbl wrote: Maybe TotalBiscuit should advertise the ATC finals through his various mediums as a goodwill gesture? I know he apologized, but I bet if he does this extra thing it will seal the deal. I'm sure they will be talking about it in private. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:33 NovemberstOrm wrote: https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/368428123362455552 How that failed to appear in my twitter feed I'll never know. Thanks. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:34 Ljas wrote: How that failed to appear in my twitter feed I'll never know. Thanks. Unless you are following both of them, it won't show up. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Good to hear TB gave his apology on his childish Tweet. Wich it simply is. I honestly can't fault Take in anything, from what i have been reading here atleast. | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:43 GunPaladin wrote: Good on TB for apologizing, hopefully he does the same for his MVP comments. Maybe now this whole ordeal can die off. I think we need a TL rule for dumb tweets. The person should have a 24 hour window to apologize before it becomes “real” drama. 36 hours if it involves family members. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote: All right, folks, TB apologized, lets all get a beer and make plans for the Season 2 finals next week. The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. | ||
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3454 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote: The problem here is, for me at least him insulting is not the big issue here. They can insult each other blue on twitter for all i are. My biggest issue is the releasing of private conversations. There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. | ||
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zanga
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:50 Plansix wrote: There was nothing bad enough to really change anything in the discussions and they can settle that in private. We, as a community, do not need to be involved with that. Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. | ||
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Falling
Canada11511 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:45 Plansix wrote: I think we need a TL rule for dumb tweets. The person should have a 24 hour window to apologize before it becomes “real” drama. 36 hours if it involves family members. I think it was Shamus Young podcast (the Diecast) I was listening to where they weighed into the whole Phil Fish controversy. Part of the nature of modern video games is the immediacy of everything. Under the old industry, you would have a buffer system between yourself and the audience/ consumers. So then there would be a delay in which prepared statements could be made and everything is a lot less dramatic. Now there is immediate and direct access. Which can be really cool. You get direct communication with those creating stuff. But it can also be really raw and messy because fewer things get filtered or allowed to percolate until emotions can cool off and a more reasonable, but still truthful statement can be made. So yes, we probably will continue to see 'action or statement' followed by 'e-drama' followed by 'retraction and more e-drama.' It's more direct, personal, and it happens much quicker and can flare up bigger. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:55 Assirra wrote: Who talks about getting involved? And please stop talking we are all some hivemind. People can think of stuff however they dam well please no matter what "we as a community" should do as you say. I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to make decisions for you. What I meant was, I feel the apologize is sufficient for this time and I also feel that your other objections are valid. However, I feel that the community shouldn’t be involved with that because I feel that it is best handled in private. I do not represent the feelings of the community in this matter and I am only stating my own opinions. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:35 Knuty wrote: Holy shit ,people are such assholes out for drama when being anonymous..... People can be pussies, dicks and assholes in real life too bud. It's not just the internet lol and when it comes down to business. You need to have a cut throat mentality as well. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:56 Falling wrote: I think it was Shamus Young podcast (the Diecast) I was listening to where they weighed into the whole Phil Fish controversy. Part of the nature of modern video games is the immediacy of everything. Under the old industry, you would have a buffer system between yourself and the audience/ consumers. So then there would be a delay in which prepared statements could be made and everything is a lot less dramatic. Now there is immediate and direct access. Which can be really cool. You get direct communication with those creating stuff. But it can also be really raw and messy because fewer things get filtered or allowed to percolate until emotions can cool off and a more reasonable, but still truthful statement can be made. So yes, we probably will continue to see 'action or statement' followed by 'e-drama' followed by 'retraction and more e-drama.' It's more direct, personal, and it happens much quicker and can flare up bigger. Giant Bomb had a similar discussion when it come to the Microsoft press conference and all the twitter buzz around that. They pointed out that all the Twitter buzz was just a bunch of people posting the first thing that came to their mind when they saw the press conference, based on limited information. Due to it being a first impression on limited, to zero information, the tweets were basically worthless for anyone attempting to make an informed decision. Yet the next day, people were reporting on the negative twitter buzz surrounding the conference. At the end of the day, I don’t really take twitter seriously and I don’t think anyone should. It is instant access to a person’s thoughts without much filter and I hope people use it more responsibility in the future. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:47 BronzeKnee wrote: In theory, confidentiality is great. In practice, when it comes to businesses it is often, (not always) used to cover up for unethical, dishonest, and deceptive business practice where someone is getting screwed. Which is why I asked for a real life example. It is also not certain that what Genna did is illegal. In most countries, it is illegal to record a private conversation without the knowledge of one or both of the parties. But Genna didn't record anything, this is where it get's hairy. Take recorded it when he wrote what he wrote and sent it to Genna. It is up to a judge (at least where I live) to decide if Take had a reasonable expectation for that conversation to remain private, or he could decide that the fact that he put it down in email and sent it to her makes it something that Genna could share. If someone writes me a letter, and I share, do I get in trouble? Often not. Take would have a tough case on his hands, did he make sure no one was looking over his shoulder when he wrote it or Genna when she recieved it (if you have "private conservation" on a street corner, courts often see that as a public conversation)? Did he tell her this was private and not to be shared. Probably not, I didn't see the disclaimer in the emails she posted (yes there is a reason for that disclaimer at the end of someone emails!). Again, that is up to the judge This is why so much business is done face to face or over the phone. We really shouldn't go into legal details here, especially since German law and US law differ quite a bit. It simply is not good practice to publish a conversation without the approval of the other party. Wether or not it is also illegal, depends on the law applied as well as the particular circumstances of the case. Confidentiality can be abused but that doesn't invalidate the concept. Otherwise all privacy and thus civil liberties would be challenged. edit: typos & ps PS: thumbs up for TB's apology. | ||
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negativedge
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
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