EPT- Praise in Public
- Punish in Private (punish can be: coach, develop, dispute...etc.)
This applies to both managing individuals (as a supervisor) and business relationships -- and for good reason.
Genna Bain leaves Axiom - Page 17
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mythandier
United States828 Posts
- Praise in Public - Punish in Private (punish can be: coach, develop, dispute...etc.) This applies to both managing individuals (as a supervisor) and business relationships -- and for good reason. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:44 Mohdoo wrote: TL being an old website means a lot of us are 25+. I have a very solid understanding of what professionalism means and Genna's goodbye post had none. It's a goodbye post, I don't know if she cared very much about professionalism at that point. | ||
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bodomReaper
Germany5 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:49 Grumbels wrote: It's a goodbye post, I don't know if she cared very much about professionalism at that point. Maybe, but unfortunately her actions are still bound to Axiom and whatever she does will always in one way or the other reflect this team since she was the one, who "created" this clan. It's like this: If Bill Gates suddenly decides to be a racist you can expect the MS sales to drop. Simple logic | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5218 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:37 mythandier wrote: There's a very simple axiom (pun intended) in professional leadership that they teach in most schools of management: - Praise in Public - Punish in Private (punish can be: coach, develop, dispute...etc.) This applies to both managing individuals (as a supervisor) and business relationships -- and for good reason. In my experience in life, nothing that is done in private and can't be made public is anything honorable, honest, or ethical. If it was any of those things, then people wouldn't mind if it was made it public. People would be proud of it. I remember vividly sitting in a private meeting and my boss was trying to come up with a story to tell a customer. He was trying to lie, and after someone came up with something he stated "Well, now that's a good story!" as to why we couldn't fulfill a contract. Generally, private meetings result in someone get screwed over (usually people that aren't that meeting), a customer, a coworker, a supplier, ect... | ||
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Wiciu87
Poland14 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:13 BronzeKnee wrote: In my experience in life, nothing that is done in private and can't be made public is anything honorable, honest, or ethical. I think that is a commentary on your life then, not on things done in private. Privacy, or more to the point, confidentiality, is a crucial aspect of trust, which in turn can be a crucial component of healthy business dealings. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5218 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote: I think that is a commentary on your life then, not on things done in private. Privacy, or more to the point, confidentiality, is a crucial aspect of trust, which in turn can be a crucial component of healthy business dealings. Give me a real life example. No theories here please. My wife and I have worked in many different industries (business, healthcare, technology, human services, charitable organizations), and private meetings are always the same (though in healthcare patient confidentiality and privacy are exceptions). Generally someone is getting screwed, and that is why it is private. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:12 Bizeheryer wrote: Team Axiom should find a new manager. TB is not the right guy to lead and manage a team. They already have a new manager. I can't remember her name, but he said he will bring on more staff as necessary. | ||
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SightlessGunner
6 Posts
ATC finals start tomorrow, so any statement should be given to community. And Genna let us know what happened. Best way she could (without Dennis' help). John would do the same, also without hiding any details. Did we get any words from Take? Check ATC website. I've got a quest for you: try to find ANY info about finals as offline event or anything about Axiom not coming... Someone said that Genna's statement was "not professional". Maybe if she were just a team manager... But she was more like a mother/auntie for this guys! There are so many good and bad feelings involved... Axiom story was all bout family and that's why it is so unique! GJ Genna! Thanks for everything! and GL John!  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I sort of assumed it would all be online only until it was revealed later the would be an offline finals." Genna Bain "Assumptions. Mothers of all screw ups" John Bain | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote: By letting someone else take over the role and hiring a second manager? How is that screwing them? Also, she suffers from depression, has been stressed out for a full year, runs TBs normal business and is a mother. I think her reasons for stepping away are reasonable and she is leaving the team in fine shape. Sorry but if all that is true, why in the world she started a team in the first place? And really, leaving the team in a fine shape? She just gave a major hit to the team by revealing those private conversations. A hit which might as well be unrecoverable considering that TB said they are already in red. Who would sponsor a team that would hang out the dirty laundry like that? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:20 Assirra wrote: Sorry but if all that is true, why in the world she started a team in the first place? And really, leaving the team in a fine shape? She just gave a major hit to team by revealing those private conversations. A hit which might as well be unrecoverable considering that TB said they are already in red. Who would sponsors a team that would hang out the dirty laundry like that? Who knows, but I think TB can handle that problem and they have a manager set up already for the team. TB is very successful on Youtube and likely can sell the teams to sponsors, even with this minor bit of drama. In a couple weeks, no one will really remember a lot of this stuff. | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:17 BronzeKnee wrote: Give me a real life example. No theories here please. My wife and I have worked in many different industries (business, healthcare, technology, human services, charitable organizations), and private meetings are always the same. Generally someone is getting screwed, and that is why it is private. Simple example. Your subordinate messes something up bad. You don't publicly chastise said person in public in front of fellow employees and/or customers. You pull him or her off to the side to deal with it. Addressing it in public does very little good for your employees (demoralizes them) or your customers (makes you look unprofessional). | ||
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Maxus80
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It is inevitable that situations like these will arise, and I'm happy it hasn't happened more often. A lot of these people started as, for example, youtube personalities. That does not give them special skills at management. What most of you are also forgetting, unlike a CEO of some company, these people get confronted with bucketloads of SHIT on a daily basis, given to them by this community. Granted, it's the bad apples, but it's those that you remember most. It is inevitable that, under pressure, someone will make a mistake or lash out. Would you not lash out towards people that are sending threats to your wife? Insulting your wife? You have to always keep in mind that Genna and totalbiscuit ARE MARRIED and no matter how much you turn it around, that will ALWAYS influence what happens. Everyone here is human and if TB would not take up arms for his wife, Genna, he would be a giant tard. In short, just keep in mind, not eeveryone holds a masters degree in management/marketing/whatever | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5218 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:24 Kambing wrote: Simple example. Your subordinate messes something up bad. You don't publicly chastise said person in public in front of fellow employees and/or customers. You pull him or her off to the side to deal with it. Addressing it in public does very little good for your employees (demoralizes them) or your customers (makes you look unprofessional). Well I didn't mean disciplinary meetings, I should have clarified that. However, you shouldn't chastise anyone in private either (in that case someone is getting screwed), either you fire someone (which quickly becomes public) or your explaining to them how to fix what they've done wrong. I pride myself on my management, and you can help people learn better public in such a way that doesn't make them feel bad. Furthermore, that isn't a real life example, why I don't give you some real life examples of disciplinary meetings where people got screwed, I was a union steward for years... anyway, the interaction here was not a disciplinary meeting. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:27 Maxus80 wrote: I feel the biggest problem with this whole situation is, that people believe everyone that runs a team/event is a professional. Most of the people that run the teams, or run the events (with some exceptions, especially on the event side) have never had any type of special education in the field of management. It is inevitable that situations like these will arise, and I'm happy it hasn't happened more often. A lot of these people started as, for example, youtube personalities. That does not give them special skills at management. What most of you are also forgetting, unlike a CEO of some company, these people get confronted with bucketloads of SHIT on a daily basis, given to them by this community. Granted, it's the bad apples, but it's those that you remember most. It is inevitable that, under pressure, someone will make a mistake or lash out. Would you not lash out towards people that are sending threats to your wife? Insulting your wife? You have to always keep in mind that Genna and totalbiscuit ARE MARRIED and no matter how much you turn it around, that will ALWAYS influence what happens. Everyone here is human and if TB would not take up arms for his wife, Genna, he would be a giant tard. In short, just keep in mind, not eeveryone holds a masters degree in management/marketing/whatever You make it sound like she got dead threats from Take lol. | ||
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Knuty
Germany68 Posts
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:32 Assirra wrote: You make it sound like she got dead threats from Take lol. He did make an implied “threat” of legal action after the release of the discussions about travel expenses. I have gone pretty nuts when people have done similar things to my girlfriend at her last job(which she left). The moral of the story is, don’t make passive threats to sue peoples wives or husbands | ||
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