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On August 17 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:30 Steel wrote:On August 17 2013 00:07 Apoteosis wrote:
The scene is dominated by adults trying to be kids, full of people with the Peter Pan syndrome.
Genna, you can't just leave your post at the first scandal. You have responsibilities.
And btw, posting private conversations is totally suable. As much as it seems like a bit of a dick move by Take to get so angry over so little, I have to agree with you. Yep, she should of asked to post that conversation before she did, that much is obvious. Then, she could of said 'oops sorry didn't mean no offense just wanted to clear up the situation- its not like I edited anything,' but no instead she quits right away in the face of some hate. Everybody makes mistakes, the community and esports organisations will forgive you, it feels weak to just run away like that. I mean I don't even know what it accomplishes since she's with TB. Now she doesn't have to deal with the mess she created? Cmon. You may want to listen to TBs message on the subject. She has a lot of other stuff going on, like depression, being a mother and helping TB run his normal youtube stuff. The team proved to be to much for her to handle on top of all of that. To quote him: “…At some point you need to take a step back and focus on taking care of yourself and making sure your doing what you need to stay healthy.” That doesn’t have to do specifically with the Take TV stuff, but the team in general. It’s a harder job that most people think.
No see, because it's much easier for random kids to spew their vitriol and shit up this forum with their stupidity than it is to actually consider the whole situation in perspective and relate to another human fucking being.
But at least it's still true what a poster said, that in a single day of their life Genna, TB (and TaKe for that matter, I dare add) do more for eSports than these drama-mongering fiends ever will in their entire lives.
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I feel like, it is really petty that is got so dramatic. At least that is my take on it after reading her blog. I don't know I wasn't a big fan of Axiom or anything. I always thought it was good for more teams to exist. As for TB running it I am sure he is capable, but I would imagine that would cut into his own stuff like casting and his other game youtube channels.
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On August 17 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:30 Steel wrote:On August 17 2013 00:07 Apoteosis wrote:
The scene is dominated by adults trying to be kids, full of people with the Peter Pan syndrome.
Genna, you can't just leave your post at the first scandal. You have responsibilities.
And btw, posting private conversations is totally suable. As much as it seems like a bit of a dick move by Take to get so angry over so little, I have to agree with you. Yep, she should of asked to post that conversation before she did, that much is obvious. Then, she could of said 'oops sorry didn't mean no offense just wanted to clear up the situation- its not like I edited anything,' but no instead she quits right away in the face of some hate. Everybody makes mistakes, the community and esports organisations will forgive you, it feels weak to just run away like that. I mean I don't even know what it accomplishes since she's with TB. Now she doesn't have to deal with the mess she created? Cmon. You may want to listen to TBs message on the subject. She has a lot of other stuff going on, like depression, being a mother and helping TB run his normal youtube stuff. The team proved to be to much for her to handle on top of all of that. To quote him: “…At some point you need to take a step back and focus on taking care of yourself and making sure your doing what you need to stay healthy.” That doesn’t have to do specifically with the Take TV stuff, but the team in general. It’s a harder job that most people think.
I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing it out. If she had been feeling the pressure for some time, I understand this situation full of unnecessary bullshit would push her into stepping down, at least in an official way.
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On August 17 2013 00:33 lichter wrote:
I wonder how many people in this thread arguing about "unprofessionalism" actually have a real job (or better, own a business).
TL being an old website means a lot of us are 25+. I have a very solid understanding of what professionalism means and Genna's goodbye post had none.
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On August 17 2013 00:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 00:30 Steel wrote:On August 17 2013 00:07 Apoteosis wrote:
The scene is dominated by adults trying to be kids, full of people with the Peter Pan syndrome.
Genna, you can't just leave your post at the first scandal. You have responsibilities.
And btw, posting private conversations is totally suable. As much as it seems like a bit of a dick move by Take to get so angry over so little, I have to agree with you. Yep, she should of asked to post that conversation before she did, that much is obvious. Then, she could of said 'oops sorry didn't mean no offense just wanted to clear up the situation- its not like I edited anything,' but no instead she quits right away in the face of some hate. Everybody makes mistakes, the community and esports organisations will forgive you, it feels weak to just run away like that. I mean I don't even know what it accomplishes since she's with TB. Now she doesn't have to deal with the mess she created? Cmon. You may want to listen to TBs message on the subject. She has a lot of other stuff going on, like depression, being a mother and helping TB run his normal youtube stuff. The team proved to be to much for her to handle on top of all of that. To quote him: “…At some point you need to take a step back and focus on taking care of yourself and making sure your doing what you need to stay healthy.” That doesn’t have to do specifically with the Take TV stuff, but the team in general. It’s a harder job that most people think. No see, because it's much easier for random kids to spew their vitriol and shit up this forum with their stupidity than it is to actually consider the whole situation in perspective and relate to another human fucking being. But at least it's still true what a poster said, that in a single day of their life Genna, TB (and TaKe for that matter, I dare add) do more for eSports than these drama-mongering fiends ever will in their entire lives.
Yeah, I don’t think people understand how hard running a team or tournament can be. The only thing I hope comes out of the end of all of this is that more people in the community realize that the business of running an event and running a team does not always line up. More often than not they conflict and that can be hard to work out.. At the end of the day they are all trying to make money and make this whole idea of playing competitive videos games work.
Also, fuck plane tickets. When are we going to focus on local events with local players and get away from the idea of flying every player all over creation.
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On August 17 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
The only thing I hope comes out of the end of all of this is that more people in the community realize that the business of running an event and running a team does not always line up.
But that would imply them actually thinking for themselves instead of flinging shit at whoever's involved (or at each other; or both) and acting like complete and utter morons. Sure would be fun to see though, no question about that.
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So I think we can all say that Axiom is going downhill.
No reason for Genna to bail out, since I'm sure she was the best person for the job.
I'm hoping that she didn't bail out because of the weird 'treat' by Take that posting skype chat logs isn't legal, lol.
#nextlevelesports
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That's kinda sad. Hopefully things between her and TB are still okay.
That's not at all speculation, I'm actually, legitimately worried that things between her and TB are stable.
GL TB!
Hopefully Axiom doesn't turn into a Dota 2 team now. 
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How do you run a team and get involved in a tournament without going out of your way to make damn sure you know what will be required and will be able to afford whatever arrangements are needed? This is an epic fail by Axion.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 00:39 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:17 bodomReaper wrote:On August 16 2013 23:42 Muffloe wrote:
I kinda do not see the point of jumping TB for being "unprofessional". He is definately one of the honest persons in the community, like Naniwa, and they deserve only praise in my opinion Yes but this is only partially true. You see, it's like this: If you claim to be a professional, you have to act the part. No matter how much you want to "speak your mind" you still have to be polite and politically correct. When huge companies like Microsoft and Sony are at "war" with each other, you don't see the CEO of MS writing things like "oh, and btw, FUCK YOU Sony" on twitter. If you write stupid kiddy stuff online as a so called professional, you have to act the part! That isn't the first time, that TB forgot, that he has to behave a certain way. I'm not trying to bash on him. He has obviously done a lot, but some things are just not ok. It is unnecessary, although I am not the one to deny TB his right to speak his mind
I'm not denying his right to speak his mind. I am however denying to speak his mind the way he does especially when he bashes certain companies for not "being professional". If you are a true pro, you will find a better way to speak your mind than "Fuck You Mister xyz". He could have said something along the lines of "never going to work with Take again" or even "I advise you all to never work with Take again", but writing "Fuck You" in all caps like a little League of Legends kiddo high on sugar is not the right thing to do.
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On August 17 2013 01:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
How do you run a team and get involved in a tournament without going out of your way to make damn sure you know what will be required and will be able to afford whatever arrangements are needed? This is an epic fail by Axion.
It's a lesson learned. I think she should've just manned up to making a mistake instead of playing ignorant and trying to get extra compensation last minute. Reading the way she handled things reminded me of when I was a teen dealing with evga customer service after my warranty expired.
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On August 17 2013 01:03 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
How do you run a team and get involved in a tournament without going out of your way to make damn sure you know what will be required and will be able to afford whatever arrangements are needed? This is an epic fail by Axion. It's a lesson learned. I think she should've just manned up to making a mistake instead of playing ignorant and trying to get extra compensation last minute. Reading the way she handled things reminded me of when I was a teen dealing with evga customer service after my warranty expired.
It's not a lesson learned if she walks away, it sounds like she's really screwing her team.
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I am so amazed he hasn't posted in this thread yet. Must be hard for him to resist.
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On August 17 2013 01:10 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:03 Gentso wrote:On August 17 2013 01:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
How do you run a team and get involved in a tournament without going out of your way to make damn sure you know what will be required and will be able to afford whatever arrangements are needed? This is an epic fail by Axion. It's a lesson learned. I think she should've just manned up to making a mistake instead of playing ignorant and trying to get extra compensation last minute. Reading the way she handled things reminded me of when I was a teen dealing with evga customer service after my warranty expired. It's not a lesson learned if she walks away, it sounds like she's really screwing her team.
Yeah. I was kind of talking about her position in the early stages of organizing her team's involvement with the tournament and how she could have handled it. She's definitely screwing her team right now, and a little more than just her team.
Somehow, I see her coming back. She doesn't strike me as someone who can let go just like that.
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On August 17 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:
I am so amazed he hasn't posted in this thread yet. Must be hard for him to resist.
If he is TB, then he has already, earlier pages.
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On August 17 2013 00:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
The only thing I hope comes out of the end of all of this is that more people in the community realize that the business of running an event and running a team does not always line up.
But that would imply them actually thinking for themselves instead of flinging shit at whoever's involved (or at each other; or both) and acting like complete and utter morons. Sure would be fun to see though, no question about that.
You're the moron, the reason why there is this shitstorm in the first place is because your so amazing community figures such as the Bain family start flinging shit when they don't like what's going on. They brought this on themselves with their ego and stupidity, if they just solved this shit in private as they should have none of this would've ever happened. Is that so hard for you to grasp, are you this dense?
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On August 17 2013 01:10 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:03 Gentso wrote:On August 17 2013 01:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
How do you run a team and get involved in a tournament without going out of your way to make damn sure you know what will be required and will be able to afford whatever arrangements are needed? This is an epic fail by Axion. It's a lesson learned. I think she should've just manned up to making a mistake instead of playing ignorant and trying to get extra compensation last minute. Reading the way she handled things reminded me of when I was a teen dealing with evga customer service after my warranty expired. It's not a lesson learned if she walks away, it sounds like she's really screwing her team.
By letting someone else take over the role and hiring a second manager? How is that screwing them? Also, she suffers from depression, has been stressed out for a full year, runs TBs normal business and is a mother. I think her reasons for stepping away are reasonable and she is leaving the team in fine shape.
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On August 17 2013 01:15 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 00:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 17 2013 00:52 Plansix wrote:
The only thing I hope comes out of the end of all of this is that more people in the community realize that the business of running an event and running a team does not always line up.
But that would imply them actually thinking for themselves instead of flinging shit at whoever's involved (or at each other; or both) and acting like complete and utter morons. Sure would be fun to see though, no question about that. You're the moron, the reason why there is this shitstorm in the first place is because your so amazing community figures such as the Bain family start flinging shit when they don't like what's going on. They brought this on themselves with their ego and stupidity, if they just solved this shit in private as they should have none of this would've ever happened. Is that so hard for you to grasp, are you this dense?
I like how you're proving my point by making this post, but please continue in your quest for drama.
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I would disagree with the professionalism point. Not because what occurred was professional as it is currently defined, but because I think a lot of it should be how professionalism becomes in the future.
I think we're at a point in time where professionalism in it's current incarnation is outdated and needs to be re-tuned anyway. I think a lot of what was posted was out of frustration and possibly fear, to be fair, but I don't see it as unprofessional at heart, but only current definition.
I'm personally glad to see a level of transparency that is otherwise extremely rare in eSports, and for what it's worth I'm much more likely to buy Acer goods after hearing that they're handling this situation respectfully of the individuals involved.
I'll be the first to admit that I reacted negatively towards them and Take on twitter (these tweets have been removed) and apologize if anyone read those tweets somehow (I have I dunno, 20 followers ish) and it did even the tiniest to their brands.
I don't think TB will be able to do it, honestly. Not because I don't believe he can't mentally or physically do the work, but because I think he's going to be fucking overwhelmed as shit with all his other stuff. I honestly think he (and Genna as well from her pretty outstanding work with the team up until now) would be wonderful team owners if their workloads were quite a bit lower than they are currently. They have the right ideas for the scene and growth, and I think even the cynical one has a mindset that would allow him to succeed at it. I have no experience running a team or business or media empire or family or anything, so this isn't exactly something with a lot of sway and I hope that I'm wrong in TB's success. I think that if he can keep from collapsing under the stress I see a very bright future ahead of Axiom, eclipsing their past even.
I'm hoping that TB calls on the fanbase for more in the future. I think there are a great many of us that want to see Axiom succeed, and would be willing to help where necessary. If you need someone to read through emails and weed out some of the bullshit or unnecessary ones, if you need someone to guide a player around town for an event you can't get to, if you need updates written or need... man I dunno, whatever you guys need. Call on the fanbase. We'd be happy to help.
But of course, these are simply suggestions from someone who honestly doesn't know better and has just the best wishes intended.
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On August 17 2013 01:15 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:
I am so amazed he hasn't posted in this thread yet. Must be hard for him to resist. If he is TB, then he has already, earlier pages.
No I don't think he has its pretty easy to check.
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