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Read the blogs, this thread etc... I'm still lost on how this is Take's fault. Their information while not formatted well still mentioned the amount they pay the team and then Genna went ahead and make their private convos public causing him to worry about how that will affect sponsorship and such and leading him to mention that he wishes there were legal ramifications for her actions. Honestly, I don't see this being Take's fault and his reaction is normal when you consider what went down.
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On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:41 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. nope, totally not. one side made the other look bad by revealing private information and insulting. the other side stayed calm and only apologized publicly. On August 16 2013 22:40 Pandemona wrote:On August 16 2013 22:39 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:38 Lonyo wrote:
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TB has a law degree, supposedly. in the UK.... That is supposed to mean? he doesn't know german law? Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong.
No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation.
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Sad for Genna but quite honestly I'm quite tired of TB's egocentric, narcissistic attitude. The whole "the community needs to take accountability for its toxic behavior and how often it relishes in tearing down the people that make the scene happen" song and dance got old for me fast.
I was a huge Axiom supporter in the beginning -- I even campaigned on the TL Website forum to get the team icon available. But seriously, stop crying for recognition already. Obviously we know you do a ton for the scene. Is that going to stop the vocal minority from being a-holes? Of course not. But that's the freaking cost of doing business. I work hand in hand with the entertainment industry and I'll tell you that I know there's so much hate it's borderline crazy but that doesn't mean you need to acknowledge it and cry constantly to be put on a freaking pedestal. If you really love the community, and I think you do, the best thing is to just keep doing what you do and try to make it better and ignore all the filth that spews forth.
/rant
I still have high hopes for the Ax players as they're some of the best personalities of the scene. Despite my personal pet peeves, I'll be disappointed if things continue to get worse for them.
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On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:41 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:
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Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. nope, totally not. one side made the other look bad by revealing private information and insulting. the other side stayed calm and only apologized publicly. On August 16 2013 22:40 Pandemona wrote:On August 16 2013 22:39 fleeze wrote:
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in the UK.... That is supposed to mean? he doesn't know german law? Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation.
still wrong.
one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all.
the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly.
professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public.
so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here.
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On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:41 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. nope, totally not. one side made the other look bad by revealing private information and insulting. the other side stayed calm and only apologized publicly. On August 16 2013 22:40 Pandemona wrote:On August 16 2013 22:39 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:38 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:34 Doodsmack wrote:
It's a shame people who don't understand the law get intimidated by dumb legal threats. Take clearly is not going to do anything legally and wouldn't have a chance in hell if he tried. TB has a law degree, supposedly. in the UK.... That is supposed to mean? he doesn't know german law? Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view
If you're going the quoting path with wikipedia...
Honesty != sincerity.
Honesty refers to a facet of moral character and connotes positive and virtuous attributes such as integrity, truthfulness, and straightforwardness, including straightforwardness of conduct, along with the absence of lying, cheating, or theft. Furthermore, honesty means being trustworthy, loyal, fair, and sincere.
Regardless of whose fault it is in the first place, TB and Genma stepped on a landmine the moment they thought it would be a good idea to publish private conversation without asking and insulting/hurting other parties involved (and I mean Acer, Take but also team MVP earlier in another thread about the ATC incident : TB's saying "begging bowl" was very inappropriate)
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The TB Clan is a drama loving clan i suppose? Never seen a man who involves himself with more bullshit than TB.
Everything he does is right, everyone else is wrong.. 
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On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:41 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:
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I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. nope, totally not. one side made the other look bad by revealing private information and insulting. the other side stayed calm and only apologized publicly. On August 16 2013 22:40 Pandemona wrote:
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That is supposed to mean? he doesn't know german law? Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:On August 16 2013 22:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Sad to see her go, her and TB were doing so much to help improve the scene.
I wasn't interested in ATC to begin with, but with this drama between Take and Axiom management I'm glad that I haven't watched a single minutes worth of it.
European scene has almost 0 professionalism compared to KeSPA, exactly why I only support Axiom, Quantic, eSF and KeSPA. (Mill too but mostly for ForGG).
Fuck Take, you don't need to answer to that POS Genna. Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here.
You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are.
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Ok, the opinion on professionalism is probably the dumbest discussion in this thread. Wtf?
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On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:41 fleeze wrote:
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nope, totally not.
one side made the other look bad by revealing private information and insulting.
the other side stayed calm and only apologized publicly.
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he doesn't know german law? Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:36 Lonyo wrote:
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Pretty sure Axiom have been less professional in this than Take has... I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are.
and you have no clue what being "professional" even means.
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I like TB as a caster and I like many of Axiom's players. I like Take's products and contributions to SC2. What I really grow tired of is everytime something happens to TB regarding SC2 he pulls out the "SC2...thousands of dollars...pure charity" thing. I can't stand that stuff. At the end of the day, I'm sure everything will work out just fine for Take and TB and this will be a relative non issue within a few weeks time and hope for nothing but success for Axiom and Take.
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On August 16 2013 23:28 Gentso wrote:
Ok, the opinion on professionalism is probably the dumbest discussion in this thread. Wtf?
It’s the standard internet argument of taking one’s personal opinion and claiming it is “fact”. You see it all the time, ei: “Fact: This game was bad because it had a feature I didn’t like”. Its nothing new. But it is a totally dumb argument.
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On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:
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Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:
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I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means.
You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right.
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On August 16 2013 23:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:
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this directly contradicts your last post:
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also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means. You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right.
The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post private conversations on the internet without first checking with the other parties.
The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to say "Fuck X" where X is the person you have an issue with.
The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to talk down to any and everyone who disagrees with you using ad hominem attacks.
The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post further private conversations after the other party has said they had issue with you posting the first lot of private conversations.
The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post your own statements regarding events where they were trying to come to an arrangement to say something in a joint manner.
Take has made only one statement in which he explained his side of the story, and apologised both to Axiom and the community.
Most people would think that in comparison, Take has been far more professional than Genna or TB.
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I kinda do not see the point of jumping TB for being "unprofessional". He is definately one of the honest persons in the community, like Naniwa, and they deserve only praise in my opinion
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On August 16 2013 23:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:
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this directly contradicts your last post:
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also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means. You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right.
Hope you two (Plansix and fleeze) know you are being really boring after the 2nd argument.
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On August 16 2013 23:41 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:32 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:
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I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means. You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right. The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post private conversations on the internet without first checking with the other parties. The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to say "Fuck X" where X is the person you have an issue with. The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to talk down to any and everyone who disagrees with you using ad hominem attacks. The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post further private conversations after the other party has said they had issue with you posting the first lot of private conversations. The vast majority would agree it's unprofessional to post your own statements regarding events where they were trying to come to an arrangement to say something in a joint manner. Take has made only one statement in which he explained his side of the story, and apologised both to Axiom and the community. Most people would think that in comparison, Take has been far more professional than Genna or TB.
its the most basic code of conduct in every business of the world really!
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On August 16 2013 23:43 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:32 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:
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I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means. You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right. Hope you two (Plansix and fleeze) know you are being really boring after the 2nd argument.
That I will totally agree and I am going to just drop it at this point.
On August 16 2013 23:42 Muffloe wrote:
I kinda do not see the point of jumping TB for being "unprofessional". He is definately one of the honest persons in the community, like Naniwa, and they deserve only praise in my opinion
I do as well and that they are up front about how hard it is to run a team. I don’t think any other team has come out and said “we run in the red and we are trying hard to change that”. I also think TB and his crew take very good care of their players and stick up for them a lot. I value that a lot and I willing to overlook some of the questionable decisions with the Take TV event. At the end of the day, we are better off with TB and Axiom than without.
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On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 22:47 Plansix wrote:
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Eh, you could be right and I wouldn’t have done that. But TB and Axiom have done as much at TakeTV for the scene, so I am willing to give them both a pass and wish them luck. I appreciate TB’s honesty and I understand why he would not be happy with Take TV. As someone in a long term relationship, I would be hostile towards anyone who made my girlfriend upset, no matter how reasonable or professional they were. this directly contradicts your last post: On August 16 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:
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I am sure the measuring who is more professional is entirely subjective and greatly influenced by personal bias. also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means.
Neither do you.
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Muffloe > Then you'd better look up what honesty means. Speaking your mind without carefully choosing your words and without considering the position of others does not make one honest. In fact, it sometimes goes against what honesty is about. Backstabbing people you don't like is sincere, still it is not honest. That's precisely what TB's and friends' been doing in this incident ranting all over the place and making many people feel uneasy.
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On August 16 2013 23:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 23:29 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:26 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:23 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:20 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:10 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:09 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 23:04 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2013 22:58 fleeze wrote:
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this directly contradicts your last post:
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also take is a player who loves RTS, TB is just another caster. but that's only my opinion. I think you need to look up what the word “subjective” means. nope, you need to know that emotions are unprofessional. you make excuses for TBs emotional posts, which are the most unprofessional you can be. whereas take made ONE post, where he APOLOGIZED and said he is ready to talk through the issue. i don't know how you can not see who is professional and who isn't here? it's pretty much obvious. Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I value their honesty and straight talk more than an apology. You clearly value the apology. We each have our own personal beliefs on which is more important. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective• Subjectivity, a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view LOL. maybe read what you wrote. you said which side is professional is subjective. you are wrong. No, I said measuring who is more professional is subjective and influenced by bias. That each person would make their own decision on who they believed acted more professional during the process and the process was not a math equation. still wrong. one side takes everything out to the public without apologizing at all. the other side doesn't and only apologizes publicly. professional means you stand above the issues and don't let emotion take care of you. also you seek for a solution with the other party privately and only tell the result to the public. so i think TB is as unprofessional as you can be here. You are entitled to your opinion of how professional they are. and you have no clue what being "professional" even means. You are entitled to that opinion as well. Really, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right.
Technically everything is subjective, we can only converge on objectivity, and there is a standard definition of professionalism. Your "that's your opinion" responses are laughably pathetic, you know you're wrong but you're too immature to concede.
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