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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
Google just said gmail is not private. USA! USA! | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On August 17 2013 06:12 Sandermatt wrote: His immediate feelings got the better of him, but he has strong fealings for his family and his close friendy. Don't you have personns that you will immediatly defend when somebody attacks them, even verbally? He made mistakes but he was man enough to realize what he did, sort out the situation and apologize. Both parties resolved the situation in a professional manner in the end. I am willing to not hold this against them. And if this was the first time something like this happened I would agree. The problem is that this happens something like every other month with tb taking something way to far and making himself look bad, and as he has shifted over into management instead of sponsoring, these things are going to be directly held against not just him but his team. He has every right to defend his family, but the was he went about it this time was horribly wrong. I just hope he stops over reacting/ turning off his filter at the worst time before it directly hurts axiom, assuming this time didn't do just that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 06:40 grs wrote: Probably because it is annoying and patronizing; but there is hope he slows down when he reached 10k posts? Unlikely, but it's ok, I'm sure you will find reasons to be outraged despite my efforts. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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pieroog
Poland146 Posts
After watching state of the game with Genna, I have grown up a big respect to that lady. And she had already mentioned bullshit behind WCS and SC2 scene during that episode! If we want SC2 to grow - we need more transparent folks like Genna, and we do need to get our shit together, no matter who's right in this dispute (imho everyone loses here). So sad to see her gone  | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
I support this statement. I also support Plansix in his ever so slightly patronizing quest to better the community and to contribute to rationality in discussions. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:11 n0ave wrote: Managing Sc2 pro teams isn't providing sufficient financial gains at the moment. I hope TB will drop his Sc2 pro team and start focus on creating more Youtube content, I enjoy his "WTF is..." videos. TB is not the person that can get hooked only on one game, he isn't a hardcore Sc2 fan. And I understand that, I used to enjoy this game, 2 years ago Sc2 was the only game I had installed and played ( a lot), but now... I haven't started it in months and I find Sc2 streams boring. Good choice by the Bains to step away from Sc2. Everybody feels that Sc2 is going downhill... and yes it's true. You want him to go to dota2. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
I want him far away from games I actually like. He can take his talents to smite or world of tanks, since he already burned his bridges in lol. | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
league of legends and other moba games are similar to going out drinking with your friends at a bar. Listen, everyone's doing it, and it's a hell of a lot of fun. There's very little committment, very little to learn, and you just relax and have fun. Don't you know how to have fun? If something goes wrong, you're not held liable whatsoever. I met one person who apologized in a moba game and I wrote down his name. I have it here somewhere. Starcraft is more like going to a lending library. You gotta study and ultimately the goal is to improve yourself, both in the game itself and in your reactions to your own success and failures in the face of competition. This is not fun. People who play starcraft don't play it for fun. They play it to improve. Improving is fun. Winning close games is fun. If you pause a game in league of legends, the other team wants to unpause immediately and there is a restriction in game setup to do so. League of Legends players ultimately wouldn't mind playing against an AFK team. Think about the last time you unpaused a game without your opponent's consent, and you begin to get the picture of what's going on in these two subcultures. So when people like the one above me talking about how Starcraft 2 is dying, it's almost not really even a discussion because it's about as alive and kicking as the educational system in this country, which is to say two things. One is "did it ever really exist?" And two: it will continue in more or less it's present form until the end of time. I don't care how many times you coax your braniac friend to go to the bar, he's not going to have a good time. And people who like to wallow in a bar will not be convinced to embark upon a journey to challenge themselves or improve themselves in any regard. This might sound like a scathing critique of moba games, but it is all 100% entirely true, and truth be told for well rounded individuals such as myself there's room for both a pub as well as a lending library. But I can recognize a poindexter when I meet one. and I can certainly recognize a drunk as well. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Falling
Canada11510 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote: sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well. well that sucks not really the time to have two high profile and important community members shitting on each other like that | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On August 17 2013 09:21 OPL3SA2 wrote: league of legends and other moba games are similar to going out drinking with your friends at a bar. Listen, everyone's doing it, and it's a hell of a lot of fun. There's very little committment, very little to learn, and you just relax and have fun. Don't you know how to have fun? If something goes wrong, you're not held liable whatsoever. I met one person who apologized in a moba game and I wrote down his name. I have it here somewhere. Starcraft is more like going to a lending library. You gotta study and ultimately the goal is to improve yourself, both in the game itself and in your reactions to your own success and failures in the face of competition. This is not fun. People who play starcraft don't play it for fun. They play it to improve. Improving is fun. Winning close games is fun. If you pause a game in league of legends, the other team wants to unpause immediately and there is a restriction in game setup to do so. League of Legends players ultimately wouldn't mind playing against an AFK team. Think about the last time you unpaused a game without your opponent's consent, and you begin to get the picture of what's going on in these two subcultures. So when people like the one above me talking about how Starcraft 2 is dying, it's almost not really even a discussion because it's about as alive and kicking as the educational system in this country, which is to say two things. One is "did it ever really exist?" And two: it will continue in more or less it's present form until the end of time. I don't care how many times you coax your braniac friend to go to the bar, he's not going to have a good time. And people who like to wallow in a bar will not be convinced to embark upon a journey to challenge themselves or improve themselves in any regard. This might sound like a scathing critique of moba games, but it is all 100% entirely true, and truth be told for well rounded individuals such as myself there's room for both a pub as well as a lending library. But I can recognize a poindexter when I meet one. and I can certainly recognize a drunk as well. Exceedingly poor comparisons and all kinds of outright falsities regarding Dota. "Very little to learn?" Are you joking? I'm a sc2 player and I think that statement is ridiculous. | ||
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ETisME
12714 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote: sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well. you forgot Genna retirement blog also private chat log about Take angry at the private conversation | ||
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gosubay
Singapore13 Posts
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:59 dAPhREAk wrote: sure. Axiom not going to make finals. Genna Bain explains in lengthy blog why they werent going to make finals. Most important issue was that Genna thought they were getting a travel stipend to cover team, but they were only getting a $1,500 stipend, which was way too low. Questionable whose fault it was. In discussing the issue, Genna cites private emails between her and TaKe. TaKe takes offense to his private emails getting disclosed. Says he hopes there is some law to punish her. Genna makes second blog announcing her retirement. Too much stress; too much bad shit going on in scene (allegedly); and TaKe's "legal threat" is the straw the broke the camel's back. TB - "Fuck TaKe" on tl.net, reddit, twitter, etc. (i can only verify tl.net though). TaKe reads Genna's second blog and apologize and wants to make shit better (for the most part, also throws blame at Genna). TB - apologizes to TaKe via twitter. hugs, kisses, everything is alright with the world--not really, community uproar, we still are losing Genna (sad face), TB burned many bridges, Axiom is probably gonna get a lot of backlash, TaKe may take some backlash as well. Good summary, but you left out some stuff from Take's statement. In particular, Take alleges that Axiom neglected ATC (Genna didn't respond to any of Take's emails) which meant that none of Axiom's games were played and they had to be cast from replays. Thus, Take saw it as Axiom simply not caring about the team league, but Take did try to offer some assistance to Axiom (too little too late). It also clears up Acer's duties to ATC. Notably, Take states that season 1 was sort of an experiment and that they did not plan the travel costs fully (which is why when Liquid approached Take actively, Take helped them out). Apparently, season 2 will be handled better (perhaps the teams WILL get paid flights or at least, heavy stipends). Take's statement was definitely the more conciliatory one. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
I (sometimes) like TB content on youtube and he does gradually less because he is trying to spread himself between gaming journalism and "E-sport personality". It's not that I don't like Axiom, but in the end they get their pay from his youtube channel, if TB losses viewer he won't be able to pay Axiom anyway. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 17 2013 09:15 SilverStar wrote: It's funny how quickly people lose interest in something if there is actual work to be done. Heh. It's funny how easy it is to judge from the sideline. Heh. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Revealing the content of your own conversations is up to you, you dont need permission from anyone. She is not a reporter revealing a source, she was not revealing the content of a conversation held between two other people and was not revelaing the content of mail (snail or electronic) that did not belong to her. Therefore she did nothing wrong. She was attempting to shed light on a situation, which is always how TB and Genna do things... open and honest. | ||
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He shows up in every thread to write supportive statements for tournament organizers, Blizzard & random corporations, to tell us how they really are trying their best and we should calm down. Some people find this annoying and patronizing.
