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On August 16 2013 19:24 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 18:11 Wormi wrote:
from sponsors/companies point of view this is like:
-"Take is a guy we can trust, he understands our interests."
-"we can´t talk to Axiom. if the negotiations don´t go well for them, it goes public."
guess who´ll get the contracts. Nobody will. Sponsors can't be expected to care which part of community is reliable and will take their business elsewhere. Dramas and fanboy wars like this hurt sponsors and so all of us equally.
This is probably the most realistic scenario, at least at this stage.
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Sad. Genna was actually one of the few people in management that really cared, and one of the only people outside of spectators that cared about the NA scene. Sadly she wasn't tough enough to handle the mountain of shit that would get heaped on her by the community when something didn't go smoothly, and she'd crack a bit. But then that's the case with most normal people. I wish her all the best in her future endeavors.
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This kind of unnecessary drama/shit makes me want to just watch matches and not give a fuck about anything else.
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On August 16 2013 21:07 Godwrath wrote:
This kind of unnecessary drama/shit makes me want to just watch matches and not give a fuck about anything else.
Good to see there's still a handful of people with this mindset left on this site. x)
For those who missed it on the last page by the way, TaKe's response.
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Managing Sc2 pro teams isn't providing sufficient financial gains at the moment.
I hope TB will drop his Sc2 pro team and start focus on creating more Youtube content, I enjoy his "WTF is..." videos.
TB is not the person that can get hooked only on one game, he isn't a hardcore Sc2 fan. And I understand that, I used to enjoy this game, 2 years ago Sc2 was the only game I had installed and played ( a lot), but now... I haven't started it in months and I find Sc2 streams boring.
Good choice by the Bains to step away from Sc2. Everybody feels that Sc2 is going downhill... and yes it's true.
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Sorry to hear it. Too bad regardless of "whose fault it is".
One can only reflect upon oneself.
Move forward, gl hf
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On August 16 2013 21:11 n0ave wrote:
Managing Sc2 pro teams isn't providing sufficient financial gains at the moment.
I hope TB will drop his Sc2 pro team and start focus on creating more Youtube content, I enjoy his "WTF is..." videos.
TB is not the person that can get hooked only on one game, he isn't a hardcore Sc2 fan. And I understand that, I used to enjoy this game, 2 years ago Sc2 was the only game I had installed and played ( a lot), but now... I haven't started it in months and I find Sc2 streams boring.
Good choice by the Bains to step away from Sc2. Everybody feels that Sc2 is going downhill... and yes it's true.
This news means TB has to dedicate even more of his time to SC2, not shy away from it...
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On August 16 2013 21:19 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 21:11 n0ave wrote:
Managing Sc2 pro teams isn't providing sufficient financial gains at the moment.
I hope TB will drop his Sc2 pro team and start focus on creating more Youtube content, I enjoy his "WTF is..." videos.
TB is not the person that can get hooked only on one game, he isn't a hardcore Sc2 fan. And I understand that, I used to enjoy this game, 2 years ago Sc2 was the only game I had installed and played ( a lot), but now... I haven't started it in months and I find Sc2 streams boring.
Good choice by the Bains to step away from Sc2. Everybody feels that Sc2 is going downhill... and yes it's true. This news means TB has to dedicate even more of his time to SC2, not shy away from it...
Don't fall for the bait.
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So sad to see Genna go. I was so amazed by how Axiom began and how it developed. I really think Genna managed to start something special and unique in the SC2 scene, and my hope is that Axiom can continue to develop in the way that it has and that it keeps its players at the heart of things. I wish all the best to the Axiom players, and I hope none of this gets in the way of them improving to become even more amazing. GLHF!
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This story could and should have been "Axiom unable to participate in ATC finals, citing money issues." and details about the replacement. I don't want anyone to retire or lose viewers over this. It's so pointless.
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On August 16 2013 21:32 Amblygon wrote:
So sad to see Genna go. I was so amazed by how Axiom began and how it developed. I really think Genna managed to start something special and unique in the SC2 scene, and my hope is that Axiom can continue to develop in the way that it has and that it keeps its players at the heart of things. I wish all the best to the Axiom players, and I hope none of this gets in the way of them improving to become even more amazing. GLHF!
To be honest, aside from them being incredibly vocal and public about their 'story', it's not really any different or special from most other teams, especially the early Korean teams. I mean, having managers set players up with houses and equipment out of their own pockets in hopes of maybe, one day getting sponsorships sufficient to cover the expenses is what pretty much every team used to do in the past, just because of their interest and passion in the esports scene, rather than garnering themselves more publicity and youtube subscriptions. It's cool to have a little more insight into it - but to think that Genna and TB were somehow "more into it" or "giving it more heart" is pretty naive; seeing how important self-validation and "saving face" was for TB and Genna seems to contradict everything they said about caring about their team and players, too.
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Yeah she never did seem like a person that could handle the criticism and drama involved with being a team manager. Didn't deal with the ATC business very well either IMO.
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Such a disappointing conclusion to somewhat-unnecessary drama. The hate towards TB/Genna/Axiom in the first place was unfounded (imo), and it's very disappointing to see it all come crashing down like this. Take's response in the other thread proves that he wasn't really looking for blood, he was angry, only to be expected...
Hopefully this won't spell the end of Axiom. I never really liked or disliked them, but the fact that Genna/TB took it upon themselves to run an SC2 team when we have few non-KeSPA teams left is admirable. I hope they keep playing!
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tb just tries to jump on all the bandwagons given his very fortunate popularity in this industry, this team is dead and gone . . ill give it 3 months, its one thing being a shoutcaster of starcraft, then to run a team where we all know makes barely any money at all, these people arent millionaires and as they age noone really wants to listen to old people go on about video games and listen to cringe worthy, (they call it funny and zany)comments which just make most of our blood boil..
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well she isn't professional enaugh i guess.
Publishing private chats and throwing everything after some crtitics.
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On August 16 2013 14:27 KuKri wrote:
Miscommunication, Axiom couldn't spend as much money for the ATC tournament, Take tried to fix it, it didn't work out, Genna Bain revealed private communication with Take about funding, Take responded again in privately to Genna, indirectly pointing towards taking legal actions, and she made it public again? Is this what this is about?
Why is Take to be blamed? I must've missed out on something...
Pretty simple: when someone is doing your PR for you, you don't blast them and threaten legal action. She didn't reveal the whole thing, but it's clear that he's pissed, and after a full year of taking massive amounts of shit from everyone, I don't blame her for leaving. I don't blame TB for posting "Fuck Take" as well, because he's fucking with their team and his wife, he deserves it.
For the record, I haven't given a fuck about SC2 for a long time, but I know a little bit about both depression and being in jobs where you do nothing but take shit all day, and I don't blame her in the slightest.
One last thing: Never say anything in private you don't want in public, especially on the internet. Integrity is about being the same person no matter what the circumstance is. If you wanna be a dick to someone, be prepared to have a valid reason for doing so.
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I did get the impression that Genna was not a happy person, I suppose this is not surprising. Keep in mind that she has kids and please believe me when I tell you that it's not fun to grow up in a household where your mother has clinical depression, so she has a responsibility for her mental health not only to herself but also to her children.
Also, people can't seriously be angry with Take for not taking into account Genna's fragile mental state. They have a business relation, Genna's actions aren't excused by her mental health situation. I wish her the best and I hope she recovers, but you do have to live with your mistakes.
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On August 16 2013 21:22 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 21:19 ZAiNs wrote:On August 16 2013 21:11 n0ave wrote:
Managing Sc2 pro teams isn't providing sufficient financial gains at the moment.
I hope TB will drop his Sc2 pro team and start focus on creating more Youtube content, I enjoy his "WTF is..." videos.
TB is not the person that can get hooked only on one game, he isn't a hardcore Sc2 fan. And I understand that, I used to enjoy this game, 2 years ago Sc2 was the only game I had installed and played ( a lot), but now... I haven't started it in months and I find Sc2 streams boring.
Good choice by the Bains to step away from Sc2. Everybody feels that Sc2 is going downhill... and yes it's true. This news means TB has to dedicate even more of his time to SC2, not shy away from it... Don't fall for the bait.
Personally i would be very surprised if Axiom are involved in SC2 this time next year.
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I think it's good for Team Axiom. It's very unprofessinal to post PRIVATE chats... A good manager would also never think that the broadcaster of a tournament will pay the journey. It's very weird to think that, normally the competitors have to pay a little sum to take part in the tournament and Take also never wrote they will pay it, so why did she thinks that. Both sides made mistakes, but to post private chats is just childish and does not show that she mades her job that good. Well that's my point of view.
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On August 16 2013 21:07 Godwrath wrote:
This kind of unnecessary drama/shit makes me want to just watch matches and not give a fuck about anything else.
Join us. It's much better on this side.
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