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Genna did not?
On August 16 2013 18:11 Wormi wrote:
from sponsors/companies point of view this is like:
-"Take is a guy we can trust, he understands our interests."
-"we can´t talk to Axiom. if the negotiations don´t go well for them, it goes public."
guess who´ll get the contracts.
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On August 16 2013 19:09 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 19:07 Assirra wrote:On August 16 2013 18:12 skatblast wrote:On August 16 2013 17:49 Arkani wrote:
i don't get it. how the f... can you release private conversations.. what did they hope to acomplish with that? creating drama so not going to the event is overshadowed? or did they go all in and hope that all their expenses get paid?
Idk, she kind of reminds me of slayers.jessica. Causing drama and expecting husband to pick up for it. Pretty funny considering TB had quite the opinion about Jessica. Difference is, Jessica had put reputation of her team on the line.
Considering that whenever you deal with Axiom you have the risk of your private emails getting posted on the internet, i say there has been a serious hit for reputation.
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On August 16 2013 18:11 Wormi wrote:
from sponsors/companies point of view this is like:
-"Take is a guy we can trust, he understands our interests."
-"we can´t talk to Axiom. if the negotiations don´t go well for them, it goes public."
guess who´ll get the contracts.
Nobody will.
Sponsors can't be expected to care which part of community is reliable and will take their business elsewhere.
Dramas and fanboy wars like this hurt sponsors and so all of us equally.
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Esport drama is unfolding and the community is shitting their pants, because they love sensationalism. Please let this end well. It never does.
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On August 16 2013 13:42 ssxsilver wrote:
Never was a T.B. fan. I respect him for his hard work in the e-sports community, but sometimes he just lets trolls get the best of him and goes on a freak out. I seen him do it once or twice, so i'm not really confident with the direction Axiom is going.
He let's "trolls" get the better of him because it's his internet persona/personality. Back when he was on Something Awful you'd find it hard to find a single person who even liked the guy, but when Youtube took offf he jumped on the bandwagon and has ended up with a hell of a lot of fans who just know him for being a "cynical brit".
I respect everything he's done for both eSports and Axiom and I hope he continues to support the team in place of Gemma and makes a huge success of it, but I can't personally say I'll ever be a fan of his due to his personality :p
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Too bad. Especially since there didnt even seem to be an issue to begin with. I mean, Axiom had perfect reasons not to attend ATC. Miscommunication happen and sometimes you just have to deal with it. Then somehow the reactions to a non-issue started all this. And a possibly slightly out of sense comment by (a probably angry) Take which wasnt even formulated as a threat turned into this shitstorm with insults being thrown around to well respected community members on twitter. The initial issue wasnt even an issue, then somehow a pretty big issue was created by reactions from it....
I do hope the Bains can learn something from this though. They chose to make it public which was basically what caused the shitstorm. Look at the amount of times Alex Garfield steps out of the shadows to comment on things. I can remember two off the top of my head, once regarding those racist comments and once when Idra left EG. Theres probably been more, but Axiom could learn a lot from him how/when to go public with things.
Furthermore a lot of blame is being put on "the community" (Im starting to really dislike that word). They are a part of the community themselves. So they blame themselves for the troubles. They also blame Nazgul, Day9 and poor 16 year old Bob who just likes to watch a bit of WCS when its on and doesnt even know what TL.net is. That is to name a few. Call out the individuals responsible instead, by blaming "the community" you're suddenly gonna make thousands of nerds feeling hit by shit they dont deserve (and rightfully so...), which just further escalates the shitstorm.
On a last note I feel it might be good to point out that the tweet by TB where he complains about people trying to save face holds some truth to it. But by god dont be the most face-saving person ever when you say that. How many public face-saving statements did Take make concerning all of this? Exactly. Or take another look at dear Mr Garfield again, how often does he try to save EG face (and EG gets A LOT of shit)?
+ Show Spoiler +Axiom was getting crucified over it for no apparent reason and Gennas duty as manager was to do what she could to alleviate that. She did exactly what any other team owner would have done in that situation, tried to clear the air.
is exactly what it is to save face. And no, any other team owner wouldnt have done the same. Actually, no other probably would. When stupid community member make stupid statements either because of lack of intelligence, lack of information or just because they enjoy flaming, then you just do one thing: ignore it. Its that "simple".
I do hope both Bains can find their place in the community somewhere though (supposing they still want to be here). Sadly, right now almost every time i hear something from TB its drama or complaints about Blizz/WCS/Random retards posting shit/Other community members. Hopefully he can get back having a much more positive influence on the community, which I know he can do and has done plenty in the past. Hes still a great commentator. Sadly, he doesnt seem to enjoy being a part of SC2 as much recently :-/ .
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Sad situation beetween arguably some of the most hardworking people in SC2!!
sad.. sad.. day
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sad to hear, but hope she gets back in shape.
Didn't expected a we can't attend post to be getting out of hand that badly. Guess I underestimated twitter hope people stop using it soon.
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TotalBiscuit and Slayers.Jessica should collaborate on something. Anything, really, I don't care. It would be the most amazing thing ever.
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On August 16 2013 14:04 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 14:04 theking1 wrote:
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Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights
Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.
Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options
Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.
Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top
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"Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 16 Aug
Oh and Fuck Take by the way"
Take offers to help them with money and this is what he gets.really do not know why the genna-tb couple feels they ar emore entitled than anyone else in esports.
Take threatened legal actions against her. That's what prompted the fuck Take not the tournament.
Do you mean this quote, that according to Genna is what Take said?
[6:51:33 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: actually i hope that by law
[6:51:40 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: this is something you can get punnished for?
Assuming that's true, it's not even saying that he wants to sue them. And looking at the context of the statement, I would question how literal he's being with the whole thing; when I read it, I understood it more as an expression of exasperation/frustration. Which is why the wording is "i hope that..." not, "I'm going to".
Honestly, guys, if this is all the info we have so far, can we please not jump to conclusions right away? Especially when it's only coming from one side of the story?
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On August 16 2013 20:18 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 14:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On August 16 2013 14:04 theking1 wrote:
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Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights
Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.
Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options
Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.
Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top
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"Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 16 Aug
Oh and Fuck Take by the way"
Take offers to help them with money and this is what he gets.really do not know why the genna-tb couple feels they ar emore entitled than anyone else in esports.
Take threatened legal actions against her. That's what prompted the fuck Take not the tournament. Do you mean this quote, that according to Genna is what Take said? Show nested quote +[6:51:33 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: actually i hope that by law
[6:51:40 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: this is something you can get punnished for? Assuming that's true, it's not even saying that he wants to sue them. And looking at the context of the statement, I would question how literal he's being with the whole thing; when I read it, I understood it more as an expression of exasperation/frustration. Which is why the wording is "i hope that..." not, "I'm going to". Honestly, guys, if this is all the info we have so far, can we please not jump to conclusions right away? Especially when it's only coming from one side of the story?
I am sure there is stuff out there that we didn't read and other people saying other stuff. We are not aware of everything. As I said before, they are both businesses and expecting them to be anything else is silly. If the event was going to cost Axiom to much money, its not responsible for them to attend. Although they made a promise to Take TV to attend, they also made a promise to their players to take care of them.
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On August 16 2013 14:44 thirtyapm wrote:
how does leaving help???
cmon genna, stay and help the team out.
regardless of whether this is a mistake, learn and grow.
you were doing great, keep at it.
and /thread.
honestly that's all that needs to be said from the community to TB+Genna. The rest is all he said she said.
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Neither party is without their share of faults but to let it escalate to this point is unfortunate. She seems like a genuinely caring person who was really pushing for esports and her players to succeed, it's a shame it came to this.
I hope TB can manage effectively, Axiom has definitely had its fair share of shining moments recently, they are looking to only improve from here, managerial troubles are never a good thing for an organization to deal with.
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This is so hilariously bad I can't even enjoy being petty.
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On August 16 2013 19:56 Kreb wrote:Too bad. Especially since there didnt even seem to be an issue to begin with. I mean, Axiom had perfect reasons not to attend ATC. Miscommunication happen and sometimes you just have to deal with it. Then somehow the reactions to a non-issue started all this. And a possibly slightly out of sense comment by (a probably angry) Take which wasnt even formulated as a threat turned into this shitstorm with insults being thrown around to well respected community members on twitter. The initial issue wasnt even an issue, then somehow a pretty big issue was created by reactions from it.... I do hope the Bains can learn something from this though. They chose to make it public which was basically what caused the shitstorm. Look at the amount of times Alex Garfield steps out of the shadows to comment on things. I can remember two off the top of my head, once regarding those racist comments and once when Idra left EG. Theres probably been more, but Axiom could learn a lot from him how/when to go public with things. Furthermore a lot of blame is being put on "the community" (Im starting to really dislike that word). They are a part of the community themselves. So they blame themselves for the troubles. They also blame Nazgul, Day9 and poor 16 year old Bob who just likes to watch a bit of WCS when its on and doesnt even know what TL.net is. That is to name a few. Call out the individuals responsible instead, by blaming "the community" you're suddenly gonna make thousands of nerds feeling hit by shit they dont deserve (and rightfully so...), which just further escalates the shitstorm. On a last note I feel it might be good to point out that the tweet by TB where he complains about people trying to save face holds some truth to it. But by god dont be the most face-saving person ever when you say that. How many public face-saving statements did Take make concerning all of this? Exactly. Or take another look at dear Mr Garfield again, how often does he try to save EG face (and EG gets A LOT of shit)? + Show Spoiler +Axiom was getting crucified over it for no apparent reason and Gennas duty as manager was to do what she could to alleviate that. She did exactly what any other team owner would have done in that situation, tried to clear the air. is exactly what it is to save face. And no, any other team owner wouldnt have done the same. Actually, no other probably would. When stupid community member make stupid statements either because of lack of intelligence, lack of information or just because they enjoy flaming, then you just do one thing: ignore it. Its that "simple". I do hope both Bains can find their place in the community somewhere though (supposing they still want to be here). Sadly, right now almost every time i hear something from TB its drama or complaints about Blizz/WCS/Random retards posting shit/Other community members. Hopefully he can get back having a much more positive influence on the community, which I know he can do and has done plenty in the past. Hes still a great commentator. Sadly, he doesnt seem to enjoy being a part of SC2 as much recently :-/ .
Congratz. This is a hell of a good post and sums up what i think but can't write so well.
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TB needs to just smooth out how he interacts with people sometimes. The content he creates and casting etc is all fine, but when conversing on Twitter/TL/Reddit, he can be very abrasive, rude and sharp. Especially if he deems someone to be being stupid. Everyone thinks stuff like that, but you keep internal and externally be cool and don't give much away.
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