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On August 16 2013 17:28 Musicus wrote:
Huh, I didn't expect that. When I saw her blog post, with the chats, I just assumed she asked every party involved beforehand. I think she did a mistake and I get why Dennis and Acer are angry, but I don't think she has to step down. Well good luck Genna, maybe we will see her back.
Listen to TB's thoughts and you will understand her struggle with depression and the difficulties of managing a team. In short, no she did not quit over this incident. This incident is one of many which eventually caused her to make her decision (which was a long time coming).
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I feel sorry for Take if all he did was typing a couple of angry sentences PRIVATELY to the wrong person, I don't think he would actually do anything.
I should see it as a lesson and be more careful talking to people I don't really know.
Btw, no one can deny what Genma had done for the community. And I love Axiom.
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On August 16 2013 17:27 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:01 Clicker wrote: (( I've been out of the SC2 scene mix the past two weeks...was this foreseen at all? ;c This is all happening because SKT or KT didn't win proleague T_T
Flash is shaking his head right now like what's wrong with these people.
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Thanks for investing so much into Axiom and Shoutcraft! You did so much for this community, I hope TB can adequately continue in your stead.
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Cheers for all the work you put up in the past few months with the team, and I hope Genna gets better asap.
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Poor Slayers guys, they may have developed serious fear of women by now 
Hell no, I think they all take it too damn seriously, it's just all done for fun after all, isn't it? I don't really see any reason for anyone to take personal consequences from a couple of chats here and there. Maybe they should all just calm down, meet up, have a beer a be cool again?
I definitelly urge everyone to not stop watching or supporting any organisation just because of these small skirmishes. In my opinion both Axiom (including the Bains) and Take do a great job in SC2 and I hope we can make it so that it is all that matters.
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On August 16 2013 17:33 Entirety wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 17:28 Musicus wrote:
Huh, I didn't expect that. When I saw her blog post, with the chats, I just assumed she asked every party involved beforehand. I think she did a mistake and I get why Dennis and Acer are angry, but I don't think she has to step down. Well good luck Genna, maybe we will see her back. Listen to TB's thoughts and you will understand her struggle with depression and the difficulties of managing a team. In short, no she did not quit over this incident. This incident is one of many which eventually caused her to make her decision (which was a long time coming).
Yeah listening to the TB stuff she shouldn't even have started this Team in the first place.
like this whole depression thing matters. yes not good for her. but why on earth would you then make a Team so you get even more stress?!?!?
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i don't get it. how the f... can you release private conversations.. what did they hope to acomplish with that? creating drama so not going to the event is overshadowed? or did they go all in and hope that all their expenses get paid?
but i don't care, it was not professional and thats what stands out the most. once again (sc2-)esports showed that its far away from being stable and is mostly managed from wannabee ceo's that don't get how a business is run in the first place. (meant in general, no offense to axiom or take here)
im pretty sure the lawsuit threat was in heat of battle and not meant as a real threat but that does not excuse it being said..
i hope that genna gets stable again in her personal life, maybe with her being "out of" esports she can defeat the depression, its probably the most importang thing for tb+genna
just sad its not possible for the community to go: "we cant attend event xyz due to financial misunderstandings, sorry to our fans and sponsors" or something along this lines.
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On August 16 2013 13:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:07 Daralii wrote:On August 16 2013 13:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 16 2013 13:02 Daralii wrote:On August 16 2013 13:00 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 16 2013 12:54 nqqvt3 wrote:
Sorry to see her go, what exactly does that mean for Axiom? Totalbiscuit will be taking over. His first act as manager is tweeting "Fuck Take," so he's off to a good start. :p Not true!
Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 6m
So eSports is plagued with incompetence, fragile egos, backroom bullshit, people out for themselves and more concerned with saving face
Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 6m
I just want to make that abundantly clear for those who didn't know. Similar I'd imagine to most entertainment industries.
Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit
Oh and Fuck Take by the way Okay, third act. He is really, really not handling this well. In the other thread, he openly states that Axiom will no longer be attending anything related to Take (which hurts his team more than anything else), and essentially every comment coming from him is unprofessional. Yeah, I get the whole brutal honesty thing, but I think a little tact is important too. + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did. Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again. ~http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=425693¤tpage=2
I doubt Take would want TB involved in his events for at least the short term, seeing that anything they discuss privately could be made public.
TB already burned the bridge I would think, and now he's going to claim that he won't attend anything related to Take.
Will there even be invites to reject?
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On August 16 2013 17:33 Entirety wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 17:28 Musicus wrote:
Huh, I didn't expect that. When I saw her blog post, with the chats, I just assumed she asked every party involved beforehand. I think she did a mistake and I get why Dennis and Acer are angry, but I don't think she has to step down. Well good luck Genna, maybe we will see her back. Listen to TB's thoughts and you will understand her struggle with depression and the difficulties of managing a team. In short, no she did not quit over this incident. This incident is one of many which eventually caused her to make her decision (which was a long time coming).
Yeah just finished listening to it. I guess it all just grew over her head, she might just be too nice for the scene. Or she just needed a thicker skin, as she basically always made a huge post every time axiom/shoutcraft got critizised. Just shows that things really get to her and she couldn't handle it any longer, too bad.
Now I am worried about TB handling the team, he is so emotional man. Just look at how he blew the whole drama out of proportion and his "fuck take" comments don't help.
Also one ironic thing about the situation is, Genna posting a private message from Take, stating he is angry about her posting their private chats without permission. He is the only one that did not say anything to this yet, officialy. We only have chats that are supposed to be privat.
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At least if TB stops posting he might prevent the flames being fueled further.
Biggest drama queen who insists on doing to others what he rages about when people do the same to him.
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This is something you should add to the OP => https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gennas-retirement
Good luck to them. It's a sad day
On August 16 2013 17:48 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 17:33 Entirety wrote:On August 16 2013 17:28 Musicus wrote:
Huh, I didn't expect that. When I saw her blog post, with the chats, I just assumed she asked every party involved beforehand. I think she did a mistake and I get why Dennis and Acer are angry, but I don't think she has to step down. Well good luck Genna, maybe we will see her back. Listen to TB's thoughts and you will understand her struggle with depression and the difficulties of managing a team. In short, no she did not quit over this incident. This incident is one of many which eventually caused her to make her decision (which was a long time coming). Yeah listening to the TB stuff she shouldn't even have started this Team in the first place. like this whole depression thing matters. yes not good for her. but why on earth would you then make a Team so you get even more stress?!?!?
Because you need to fight depression
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When problem arises, people can do two things: 1) solve it, 2) try not to get the blame.
All this back-and-forth, releasing private emails, name-calling, etc. seems to be about 2), not 1). In fact, the original problem seems to have gotten worse, and other issues have now popped up.
Why not work out the details behind closed doors and SOLVE the goddamn problem?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
As much as I love all the ex-slayers guys, I don't think having TB around is worth them being on a foreign team.
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from sponsors/companies point of view this is like:
-"Take is a guy we can trust, he understands our interests."
-"we can´t talk to Axiom. if the negotiations don´t go well for them, it goes public."
guess who´ll get the contracts.
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On August 16 2013 17:49 Arkani wrote:
i don't get it. how the f... can you release private conversations.. what did they hope to acomplish with that? creating drama so not going to the event is overshadowed? or did they go all in and hope that all their expenses get paid?
Idk, she kind of reminds me of slayers.jessica. Causing drama and expecting husband to pick up for it.
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On August 16 2013 18:05 FFW_Rude wrote:This is something you should add to the OP => https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gennas-retirementGood luck to them. It's a sad day Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 17:48 rasers wrote:On August 16 2013 17:33 Entirety wrote:On August 16 2013 17:28 Musicus wrote:
Huh, I didn't expect that. When I saw her blog post, with the chats, I just assumed she asked every party involved beforehand. I think she did a mistake and I get why Dennis and Acer are angry, but I don't think she has to step down. Well good luck Genna, maybe we will see her back. Listen to TB's thoughts and you will understand her struggle with depression and the difficulties of managing a team. In short, no she did not quit over this incident. This incident is one of many which eventually caused her to make her decision (which was a long time coming). Yeah listening to the TB stuff she shouldn't even have started this Team in the first place. like this whole depression thing matters. yes not good for her. but why on earth would you then make a Team so you get even more stress?!?!? Because you need to fight depression
with more stress and shit to worry about?. :D
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I don't know if that is different in other countries/cultures, but from my experience in the moment you repeatedly release business conversations without mutual agreement, you have already lost the dispute.
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I love Axiom and everything Take does, so all this drama makes me very sad.
Having had depressions as well I wish all the best to Genna.
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So fucked up -_-
GL Genna, TB & Take
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