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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:09 Enema wrote: I think Take is doing a good job. I don't think he did anything wrong. People should not criticise Take but Genna for the way she handeld things No, we shouldn't criticize anyone... she handled everything to the best of her ability, she was damn good. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
It's always sad to see people with a lot of power STILL trying to save face with demagogy. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:13 JP Dayne wrote: It's always nice to see people with some sort of power on the scecne having enough of BS. It's always sad to see people with a lot of power STILL trying to save face with demagogy. Isn't TotalBiscuit the one behaving more like a demagogue considering he essentially released an appeal designed to make us sympathize with him? | ||
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Yip12343
120 Posts
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moshonkel
Germany4 Posts
On a sidenote i absolutely dont understand why he keeps mentioning how sc2 is his passion and how much he is sacrificing for it, everybody knows that this isnt pure charity since he is building his brand/image/future returns. And even if it is pure charity how does it help to constantly mention it? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
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Voyage
Germany71 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:16 Entirety wrote: Isn't TotalBiscuit the one behaving more like a demagogue considering he essentially released an appeal designed to make us sympathize with him? I think that's what he's implying. | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
There clearly have been mistakes made by both sides, but to shit on TakeTV/Acer now is a bad move. As a Team its your responsibility to be aware of Information you need in order to participate. And running 2 companys and beeing a mother is gennas problem not anyone elses problem. So why mention that all the time... And posting all these conversations is bullshit either, what does this proof? This only proofs that TakeTV tried to fix it, but still Axiom failed to notice that they had no information at all about the travel expenses. i can totally understand Take to be super mad after all these private conversations was been posted. Imagine you talk to buiseness partners and after a deal havent worked out you read your personal messages with the company in the newspaper a day later ... that is totally unprofessional crap and is nowhere else seen other then esports ... its a shame! Take knows how to run a buiseness, TB and Genna obv. dont. | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:34 Latty wrote: See, when doing buiseness you have to be aware of stuff. And honestly participating in a team league, knowing there will be an offline final in germany and having no information about travel costs should trigger to ask about it. Not just assume that it will be like this or like that. There clearly have been mistakes made by both sides, but to shit on TakeTV/Acer now is a bad move. As a Team its your responsibility to be aware of Information you need in order to participate. And running 2 companys and beeing a mother is gennas problem not anyone elses problem. So why mention that all the time... And posting all these conversations is bullshit either, what does this proof? This only proofs that TakeTV tried to fix it, but still Axiom failed to notice that they had no information at all about the travel expenses. i can totally understand Take to be super mad after all these private conversations was been posted. Imagine you talk to buiseness partners and after a deal havent worked out you read your personal messages with the company in the newspaper a day later ... that is totally unprofessional crap and is nowhere else seen other then esports ... its a shame! Take knows how to run a buiseness, TB and Genna obv. dont. I don't understand why you wouldn't ask at the start of the Team League what the arrangements were :S | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Thats the root of this situation, Genna assuming things unfortunately | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 16 2013 13:01 suicideyear wrote: i don't think axiom will be around in its current from 1 year from now Neither will you. Panta rei. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:38 Talack wrote: sc2 scene is too volatile anyways, more people should get out while they can before they're too invested in it. People getting out causes the scene to be volatile... that's begging the question right there! | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
But please, amidst all that, tone down the hate towards Take. I mean, try looking at it like this: He organizes not only this tournament but one of the most succesfull non-major tournaments. He offers to do everything to help get Axiom to the event, even offering to pay some out of his own pocket. Then a private skype conversation is published without his consent (which is an absolute no-go not only in business but anywhere) - he then is afraid of losing the major sponsor of the tournament due to this reveal. It was obviously not done with malintent by Genna, but it must have come off as a big "f*ck you" to Take after having tried to be helpful. So, calm down, keep private communications private, don't threaten with legal action easily, try to be a cheerful, positive community and don't try to acitvely scare away sponsors. Peace. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
Honestly i like TB old-football-style casting, but i do not like his temper at all, Take on the other hand might not be the most professional but i do not doubt that he means well, maybe a hinted lawsuit is for americans way more offending than for germans, here it is more or less a normal procedure to implicate that we could involve lawyers if we get uncertain how a money related issue pans out. i guess the best part is that i as a "costumer" do not have to choose between TB and Take events, so i can happily enjoy both. and maybe when people have cooled off, they will realize how dumb this all is and there is only losers and no winners from this. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Still very silly to just pull the plug on your career when people start questioning it, i do think that was a silly way to go. Oh well im sure TB won't stand no messing  Us English are ruthless when we need to be :D | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:34 Latty wrote: See, when doing buiseness you have to be aware of stuff. And honestly participating in a team league, knowing there will be an offline final in germany and having no information about travel costs should trigger to ask about it. Not just assume that it will be like this or like that. There clearly have been mistakes made by both sides, but to shit on TakeTV/Acer now is a bad move. As a Team its your responsibility to be aware of Information you need in order to participate. And running 2 companys and beeing a mother is gennas problem not anyone elses problem. So why mention that all the time... And posting all these conversations is bullshit either, what does this proof? This only proofs that TakeTV tried to fix it, but still Axiom failed to notice that they had no information at all about the travel expenses. They DIDN'T know there was going to be an offline final until they had already registered, and because of that Axiom assumed travel would be covered which it wasn't, and they posted proof of that, and then apparently Take shit on GB for posting her reasoning so that her team didn't get hated on. Thus, this. | ||
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ETisME
12683 Posts
I feel like TB is just not that type of person to handle a team though | ||
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moshonkel
Germany4 Posts
"I have dropped 100k on sc2 as pure charity and still have to deal with haters like everyone else." Those statements are just hard to overread. Why are they writing this? For me it seems pretty obvious that tb/genna are pretty emotionally charged, and seem to not acting very rationally right now. Making a statement about your wife depression and how strong she is, is just solidifying this. I hope tb/genna realize they are likely going to make mistakes in that situation, so i would recommend to not rally up your followers to pitchfork someone when you are so vulnerable to making irrational decisions. | ||
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