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On August 14 2013 19:19 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:13 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:09 Sissors wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season It would be beyond obvious that people not from Korea, America or Europe can also participate in the WCS. Then you can either just add them to one (for example Africa to Europe), or you leave them free to choose. Lets say the Chinese scene then becomes so back it dominates WCS AM, then you can always add a WCS China. You want WCG - Blizzard wants a masters tournament. Best of the best. Not gathering of all nations. Blizzard wants to make money, they don't do that by making WCS AM pretty much code A in another timezone. If they just wanted the best they might as well have only done WCS KR and leave EU and AM out of it.
Well I can definitely guarantee you WCS is doing a lot better than WCG, even though the later runs tournaments for more than one game. 
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It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS?
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On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it.
I want to see it.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it.
Watch WCG. Have fun!
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On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS?
Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back.
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On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun!
Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing.
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On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing.
Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place.
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On August 14 2013 20:09 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing. Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place.
Do you have a link you could direct me too?
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On August 14 2013 20:11 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:09 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing. Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place. Do you have a link you could direct me too?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2013/Qualifiers
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On August 14 2013 20:14 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:11 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:09 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 18:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You're optimistic if you think that WCS America is basically Code A if there are no Koreans. It's basically people who could never make it to Code A ever and Scarlett who would win every season What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing. Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place. Do you have a link you could direct me too? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2013/Qualifiers
Very few players listed there. No explanations why certain players were chosen and where is Sweden? Norway? Any Nordic country? Seems to be a lot missing here.. (Turkey??? Japan?)
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On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back.
The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. 
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On August 14 2013 20:20 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:14 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:11 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:09 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2013 18:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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What about Jim/MacSed/Sen? Would you really rate Scarlett above all of them constantly? You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing. Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place. Do you have a link you could direct me too? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2013/Qualifiers Very few players listed there. No explanations why certain players were chosen and where is Sweden? Norway? Any Nordic country? Seems to be a lot missing here.. (Turkey??? Japan?)
Because WCG has become a joke in recent years... nobody cares about it. That's exactly the point we were making against region locking.
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On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub.
No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals.
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On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals.
That one had within 110k (102 if I recall correctly) for Vortix vs Stephano. Which is still impressive but not quite the same.
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On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals.
You mean that ZvZ between Vortix and Stephano? Not a second i shall believe 140k people would watch ZvZ.
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On August 14 2013 20:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals. That one had within 110k (102 if I recall correctly) for Vortix vs Stephano. Which is still impressive but not quite the same.
If either of you can link some statistics I'll believe you more than my own memory.
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On August 14 2013 20:33 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals. That one had within 110k (102 if I recall correctly) for Vortix vs Stephano. Which is still impressive but not quite the same. If either of you can link some statistics I'll believe you more than my own memory.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't 140k, but I'll see if I can dig something out.
From greatfrag's post-tournament article
On another important note, the final of WCS Europe Finals was the first Starcraft 2 game, outside Korea to reach the 100,000 viewers, and funny enough was in a ZvZ, a matchup that many consider not that great to watch.
From Gamespot's post-tournament article: During the finals, the stream peaked at over 100,000 concurrent viewers, possibly the highest in Starcraft 2 history.
I couldn't find anything more specific, but if the top viewer count had been 140k I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have gone with "over 100,000"
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On August 14 2013 20:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:20 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:14 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:11 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:09 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 20:04 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:55 lichter wrote:On August 14 2013 19:54 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 NarutO wrote:On August 14 2013 19:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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You'd have to have a really liberal interpretation of "America" if they could still participate in a region locked system. If they could participate then no, I'd say all three of them have a good shot. If it's only America like last year then Scarlett would win every season Would also be a great global finals if America was to send 5 players... imagine the outcry at the global finals when we have lots of series that are more onesided than ever. No one wants to see it. I want to see it. Watch WCG. Have fun! Who is participating in that tournament? Liquidpedia states nothing. Top 1 / 2 / 3 (depending on country) best of the country. The qualifiers are currently taking place. Do you have a link you could direct me too? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2013/Qualifiers Very few players listed there. No explanations why certain players were chosen and where is Sweden? Norway? Any Nordic country? Seems to be a lot missing here.. (Turkey??? Japan?) Because WCG has become a joke in recent years... nobody cares about it. That's exactly the point we were making against region locking.
I can also point you to enough tournaments without region lock which aren't exactly big.
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On August 14 2013 20:34 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals. That one had within 110k (102 if I recall correctly) for Vortix vs Stephano. Which is still impressive but not quite the same. If either of you can link some statistics I'll believe you more than my own memory. I'm pretty sure it wasn't 140k, but I'll see if I can dig something out. From greatfrag's post-tournament articleShow nested quote +On another important note, the final of WCS Europe Finals was the first Starcraft 2 game, outside Korea to reach the 100,000 viewers, and funny enough was in a ZvZ, a matchup that many consider not that great to watch. From Gamespot's post-tournament article: Show nested quote +During the finals, the stream peaked at over 100,000 concurrent viewers, possibly the highest in Starcraft 2 history. I couldn't find anything more specific, but if the top viewer count had been 140k I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have gone with "over 100,000"
Yeah pretty much. For some reason I couldn't find any TL write-ups/threads through the search function. ;s but yeah.
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On August 14 2013 20:43 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 20:34 Zealously wrote:On August 14 2013 20:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 20:21 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 20:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 14 2013 19:58 Ohforfsake wrote:On August 14 2013 19:43 opisska wrote:
It's funny how every thread about WCS nowadays ends up in a lock vs. no-lock debate... While this is a legitimately WCS AM thread, this really does spread into almost everyting WCS related. And that is possibly a problem, because if all the cries from americans make Blizzard do a region lock for 2014, most of us in EU are gonna hate you guys so hard! You don't really hear a lot of demands to region lock EU, do you? Because it is fucking amazing to see the EU players go toe to toe, time and time again against Koreans - and while admitedly not the best ones at the moment, they are quite the legend.
But I find it hard to imagine that Blizzard locks AM and doesn't lock EU. Do we really want to destroy a successfull and popular tournament (80 thousand viewers, or what) just to help America to have their own code B level tournament league labeled WCS? Yes. We want that lock. I want the WCS EU with 140k viewers and 0 koreans back. The one with 140k viewers was the one with Stephano vs Mvp bub. No, it was the WCS 2012 EU Finals. That one had within 110k (102 if I recall correctly) for Vortix vs Stephano. Which is still impressive but not quite the same. If either of you can link some statistics I'll believe you more than my own memory. I'm pretty sure it wasn't 140k, but I'll see if I can dig something out. From greatfrag's post-tournament articleOn another important note, the final of WCS Europe Finals was the first Starcraft 2 game, outside Korea to reach the 100,000 viewers, and funny enough was in a ZvZ, a matchup that many consider not that great to watch. From Gamespot's post-tournament article: During the finals, the stream peaked at over 100,000 concurrent viewers, possibly the highest in Starcraft 2 history. I couldn't find anything more specific, but if the top viewer count had been 140k I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have gone with "over 100,000" Yeah pretty much. For some reason I couldn't find any TL write-ups/threads through the search function. ;s but yeah.
Also looked through the WCS EU 2012 finals thread. 100k is the only thing confirmed. No mention of anything higher than that.
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