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United States3648 Posts
On August 14 2013 08:46 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 08:44 Incubus1993 wrote:
It's a shame this isn't region locked by now, you should be forced to play on where you actually live. It's not WCS America it's WCS "Little Korea" lol If they region lock it, they might as well make a East vs West, as NA scene would be hard to justify skillwise.
It has to be given the opportunity to develop. With the NA scene essentially limited to WCS, the opportunities for NA players to compete and actually win some money are few and far between. Permit a bunch of Koreans to fly out here for a weekend and take 90% of the money every time that one tournament rolls around, and you essentially guarantee that the domestic scene will remain stifled for good. NA is never going to get good if its players have nothing to play for.
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We learned people can not commentate and observe at the same time well at all. Please, please NASL, hire a dedicated observer. It is so hard to watch WCS AM after watcing WCS EU or KR.
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I liked the players that were fielded for World Cyber Games before WCS came into the scene. Along we WCG we had open bracket MLGs and the other random big LANs. Shoutcraft was a great event to get some local talent in the limelight. But its hard to run events when no one watches it.
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On August 14 2013 09:57 TyrantPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 08:53 synd wrote:
Well, what I learned is that WCS America is a tournament and not a social enterprise. They need some rules in EU/NA so you can limit the amount of Better Players that can qualify. It makes no sense to have every WCS won by Better Players and money given to the players who deserve it.
gg Scarlett though we all have our opinions, my opinion causes me to see your post as edited. should we restrict tennis players from entering the US open ?Rol garos? Aus Open ? Wimbleton? only limited number of players from other regions are allowed? we should ban federer,joker and nadal from entering tournaments outside where they live. its only fair! we need to grow our local scenes! no. because that's retarded. why is this mentality existent in the 'esports' community?
Because "Starcraft" is different then regular sports and so are it's fans, please get that into your thick skull.
I do have a question though for you, how populair around the world would Tennis be if it was all korean at the top all the time ?
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its such a wierd dichotomy that wcs has created and how the three tourneys are shaping up to be. I really liked the write up, and while i agree that it is a sad state for am, i was really entertained by these finals. They were great games and pretty good content all around. After seeing the caster line up im getting really excited about this wcs final, cant wait to see the amazing games and cheer for scarlett to make a suprise run at it!!
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On August 14 2013 13:42 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
WCS Korea, I mean America, really does need to do something about all these Koreans. I think they have their place in other tournaments, but when you're talking about a tournament for North America, maybe it should only be North Americans. Maybe that little bit of internal competition will produce some better North American players as they compete against each other.
I mean seriously, why bother calling it WCS America if it's mostly made up of Koreans.
On a different note: Scarlett is the North American hope. One of the few NA players on a tier 2 Korean level.
You know that Polt is attending the University of Texas, right? He lives in America, why shouldn't he be allowed to attend an American tournament? Because of his ethnicity? Because he's too good?
It's cases like him and everyone on EG that make the "Well just region lock it!" arguments almost completely baseless in context.
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i dont mind Polt winning in America
but remember Polt is still a korean citizen
just saying...
like if it was Olympics he would be representing South Korea
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I'm curious which five players would be worthy contenders at a global final representing America. The only one that pops into my head is Scarlett. And as long as this problem remains unsolved, we will just circlejerk around one another.
We sure had nonKoreans upsetting some of the more known players from SK, but as long as there is no thriving scene that is able to throw worthy contenders at the Koreans, all of this regionlock is moot.
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Was it ever questioned that Polt and Taeja were a level above most everyone in this tournament? They were my only two thoughts for possible champion throughout the whole tournament and once the quarterfinal bracket was out, it just became a question of what score polt would beat taeja by in the semifinals
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On August 14 2013 14:39 mikumegurine wrote:
i dont mind Polt winning in America
but remember Polt is still a korean citizen
just saying...
like if it was Olympics he would be representing South Korea
You want the WCG then. Which is a pretty one sided tournament. And honestly not that interesting for me.
The last time an american won the US Open was 2003. Australian Open hasn't been won by an Australian since 1976 D=.
That's how I equate it.
Just
Saying.
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On August 14 2013 11:23 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 11:13 Zethiel wrote:
I also wanted to note, WCS AM is the only WCS where the first place, doesn't get a trophy. IMHO, very sad/lame. That's on NASL. That's not Blizzard's fault.
Well as much as whom ever injects the cash for the winners (money pool prize), and it is the same $$ for each region, they should also set the rule for the trophy, or maybe even better, if NASL wasn't going to be able to afford to give away a trophy as nice(or lame to some gold medalists here). maybe they shouldn't be picked to host that season event.
I'm guessing that MLG has some problems with blizzard, because besides not going with WCS AM S2, they decided (so far) not to include SC2 on their next MLG tour (as far as I remember reading here on TL), which is really sad because I think no-one else is at the same level to host an event in US.
Even if there is not the same trophy, even if it's just a medal made of chocolate, it's not nice to see that some get a trophy, and other don't (at least on my opinion). What's next? Hosts/Sponsors wanting to add another (money check) prize for the first place, and NASL won't be able to keep up with that? Meh... I think it should be the same for all of the WCS regions.
Another thing that bothered me and I think has to be the same for all regions is the players setup. They all should be forced to use the same noise dumping headphones, and be provided with a proper cabin with noise isolation to avoid listening to the crowd or the casters. I kind of felt that Grubby was playing under unfair circumstances because he wasn't using the same headphones that his opponents had on. I have the same Sennheiser headphones and I can say those 3M ones the other players were using provide far better noise cancellation than then closed back Sennheisers. There's nothing that should be left to chance, and all players should be provided with the same setup on all regions (at least on my opinion).
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eyes stuck at JD's awesome photo and his bossmode pose for relatively 10 minutes before proceeding to read the rest! 
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I think it's a good decision to keep the WCS open to anyone, regardless of nation/region combinations. Because of the competitive nature of SC2 it wouldn't make sense for Blizzard to shelter the weak players by going "no, bad koreans, don't pick on the poor europeans and americans, stay home". I believe that in a competitive scene such as this, you need to either get good enough to compete with whoever might challenge you, regardless of their nationality, or go home and try to become so. You lost against someone better? It's not their fault for being too good, it's your fault for not being good enough. Winning a tournament just because you had no decent competitors would make the victory rather shallow and pointless, plus you'd always know that you won just because better players weren't allowed to compete, and I don't think that's what a competitive scene should be about.
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In bw jaedong had a week or two AT LEAST to practice FOR ONE BO5 before facing flash, or any other finalist. the quality of games that comes from this type of training schedule is Completely different from a LAN type atmosphere, where the finals are Literally 2 hours after the semi finals. It is so so so different and i'm not even surprised.
if you plan on playing in lans, just practice on ladder all day every day, because you basically just keep going up against random people one after the other. If you actually have time to prepare vs a specific opponent though, play custom games and stuff because mind games will probably play a lot more of an important role in the series.
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On August 14 2013 15:47 Zethiel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 11:23 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 14 2013 11:13 Zethiel wrote:
I also wanted to note, WCS AM is the only WCS where the first place, doesn't get a trophy. IMHO, very sad/lame. That's on NASL. That's not Blizzard's fault. Well as much as whom ever injects the cash for the winners (money pool prize), and it is the same $$ for each region, they should also set the rule for the trophy, or maybe even better, if NASL wasn't going to be able to afford to give away a trophy as nice(or lame to some gold medalists here). maybe they shouldn't be picked to host that season event.
Wait. Are you seriously trying to suggest that affording a trophy is more important than being able to put on a good tournament? What? What?!
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On August 14 2013 05:25 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 04:40 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On August 14 2013 04:26 Swisslink wrote:On August 14 2013 04:05 Incognoto wrote:
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners. I would go further: Probably one of the top Zerg including the Koreans. Beside Soulkey I don't see a Zerg who I'd consider much stronger than Scarlett. There might be a few around her level, depending on the matchup, but in general I don't think so. ... unfortunately she won't participate next season :-/ On August 14 2013 04:26 Corrish wrote:
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country. She didn't "confirm" it, she just said she might take a break. Not 100% sure yet, afaik. You overrate me ;; Especially in tournaments I play worse due to big nerve issue, and don't have solid ZvP at all ~ I am taking a break for sure, whether I can't play in WCS season 3 depends on the dates for WCS, not whether I am taking time off (99% won't be playing in it as I will be gone all of september) sorry, the cross isn't optional
Aw, we needed a foreign hero for the post-Stephano era. Thought scarlett could do it.  damn wrists. pro gamers should really get into sword fighting or some shit like that to improve wrist strength
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Austria24422 Posts
We learned that CHAD MOTHERF. JONES would win EU
is how it works I think
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WCS America is the second strongest scene? That's probably true. I don't see how that's relevant though.
The only reason that it's easier for Koreans (due to lag) to play on NA server, qualify and then get a spot in WCS AM than it is in EU, so really WCS AM is almost a second WCS KR. Honestly if you look at this tournament, you'll see it's stacked with great Korean players. Not American ones (though there are a select few good NA players for sure). Hence I don't see how it's relevant to say AM is currently stronger than EU. ^^
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I really disagree that WCS America > WCS Europe right now.
Just look at the top players of each region (let's say top8), you have the same level in both region for the top players, the main difference comes from the rest of the feild, which is really, really worst in America. And Oz and aLive for example wouldn't make the feild better in Europe as they do in America.
And that write up about scarlett being the best foreigner, I'm okay with american fans trying to see the best where they can, but she just acheived her first top4 in a premier tournamement and has only 2 wins in major tournament, one being a WCS national championship. You can hardly match someone like Naniwa in the european scene, even if he actually seems to struggle in the latest stages of the tournaments.
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United States97276 Posts
Oz and aLive are about on the same level as finale and he just won EU
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