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On August 10 2013 20:38 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:26 rd wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 Baroninthetree wrote:On August 10 2013 20:12 rd wrote:On August 10 2013 19:56 LittleRedBoy wrote:On August 10 2013 18:02 Torra wrote:
Innovation is still clearly the best player in the world, I don't know why people question him getting #1 again. Um, Maru just beat #1 and #2 by a combined score of 8-2 and you still think Innovation is "clearly the best player in the world?" What world are you living on exactly? Games weren't exactly the highest quality. Maru stomped 8 one-sided games where his opponent's appeared to fall below the level we'd expect them to play at. That doesn't mean Maru doesn't deserve his wins, it just means we know he's good but he hasn't been given the real challenge yet to settle all doubt. "insufficient data." Ever wonder why the "firsr, second" players in the world would choke facing Maru? Maybe it's because Maru is simply better? Of course ManU looks dominate in Supreme League, but they still got stormed out of Champion league coz they are facing a different level of opponents. Because when you look at the games they weren't high quality lol. If Maru's nerves didn't get him in G1 with the monumental misread of Rain's ultra conservative late third I'm pretty sure Rain would have been 4-0'ed. Maru was just way better tonight with nothing but solid standard play -- ironically. i guess what i am trying to say is that the quality of play sometimes depends on opponents.
Which is exactly what I said. -_-
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On August 08 2013 23:58 Ammanas wrote:lol at Taeja and Supernova. lol at Maru being above Bomber. Other than that pretty good 
lol
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Would love to see an update after this weekend 
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On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again.
Watch as Bogus never wins Korea, but continually win seasons/blizzcon finals like crazy.
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On August 10 2013 21:41 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. Watch as Bogus never wins Korea, but continually win seasons/blizzcon finals like crazy.
 INnoVation is the only player from Season 1 Finals to requalify (for S2 Finals) so far. aLive is the other player that can join him.
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A lot of you owe Maru an apology.
He became #1 when he defeated Innovation and had a solid July. He defended it when he defeated the #2. There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
It is Maru, the man who just won the most difficult individual tournament in the world. At tournament which both Innovation and Rain played in! And he defeated them both, the Power Rank #1 and #2 on his way to victory!
On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again.
No bias from the TL writers huh?
Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias.
You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that?
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You don't automatically become the #1 player in the world by winning one tournament. Is Maru underappreciated? Yes. But can we definitively say he is the best player in the world right now? I don't think so.
Innovation's results from the last few GSLs:
Semifinals (January GSL)
Finals (WCS1)
Champion (WCS global finals)
Semifinals (WCS2)
That's consistency. On top of that he carried his team to a PL victory and was the second winningest player across the PL season. If Maru can show results like that over his next few tournaments then maybe he does deserve the #1 spot, but it's too early to call at this stage. We need to see what happens at the global finals before making any judgment imo.
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On August 11 2013 01:17 FuRong wrote:
You don't automatically become the #1 player in the world by winning one tournament. Is Maru underappreciated? Yes. But can we definitively say he is the best player in the world right now? I don't think so.
Innovation's results from the last few GSLs:
Semifinals (January GSL)
Finals (WCS1)
Champion (WCS global finals)
Semifinals (WCS2)
That's consistency. On top of that he carried his team to a PL victory and was the second winningest player across the PL season. If Maru can show results like that over his next few tournaments then maybe he does deserve the #1 spot, but it's too early to call at this stage. We need to see what happens at the global finals before making any judgment imo.
While that is true the opposite is there as well. People tend to cling to some players a bit too much cause of previous results and whenever he is loosing say "yea but he did x and y so he is still the best". Flash is one of the main targets for this although it gets more realistic.
The problem lies in how the title of "best player in the world" is defined. Some people say its over a longer period of time, others say it matters only at the current time. Neither is right or wrong, just a difference in definition.
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Well now I think Maru's the current #1. But next month's ranking really all depends on the Season Finals. If Innovation wins, or knocks out Maru, he's probably number one.If Maru gets to the semis I'd say he could probably retain #1. If Rain wins and beats a bunch of top players, he's number one.
Edit: Bronze, you have literally called half this thread out on bias. It's clear you're a Maru fanboy, you're the biased one.
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On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:
There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
Indeed, still Innovation.
On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. No bias from the TL writers huh? Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias. You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that?
Fionn is the biggest Prime fanboy on this webpage...
On August 11 2013 02:27 blobrus wrote:
Well now I think Maru's the current #1. But next month's ranking really all depends on the Season Finals. If Innovation wins, or knocks out Maru, he's probably number one.If Maru gets to the semis I'd say he could probably retain #1. If Rain wins and beats a bunch of top players, he's number one.
nah, Maru still hasn't shown completely dominating, amazing and outstanding games like Soulkey and Inno showed before... Even Rain, but that was a long time ago.
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On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:A lot of you owe Maru an apology. He became #1 when he defeated Innovation and had a solid July. He defended it when he defeated the #2. There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
It is Maru, the man who just won the most difficult individual tournament in the world. At tournament which both Innovation and Rain played in! And he defeated them both, the Power Rank #1 and #2 on his way to victory!Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. No bias from the TL writers huh? Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias. You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that?
lol, way to completely misinterpret Fionn's post in so so many ways.
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On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:A lot of you owe Maru an apology. He became #1 when he defeated Innovation and had a solid July. He defended it when he defeated the #2. There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
It is Maru, the man who just won the most difficult individual tournament in the world. At tournament which both Innovation and Rain played in! And he defeated them both, the Power Rank #1 and #2 on his way to victory!Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. No bias from the TL writers huh? Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias. You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that?
And Innovation still had an even more solid july. These finals don't change that. Jeez you are obsessed.
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Oh wait I forgot this was the power rank from July, so the results last night have no bearing on this ranking whatsoever. But yeah TL writers totally biased because they can't read the future.
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On August 11 2013 02:10 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 01:17 FuRong wrote:
You don't automatically become the #1 player in the world by winning one tournament. Is Maru underappreciated? Yes. But can we definitively say he is the best player in the world right now? I don't think so.
Innovation's results from the last few GSLs:
Semifinals (January GSL)
Finals (WCS1)
Champion (WCS global finals)
Semifinals (WCS2)
That's consistency. On top of that he carried his team to a PL victory and was the second winningest player across the PL season. If Maru can show results like that over his next few tournaments then maybe he does deserve the #1 spot, but it's too early to call at this stage. We need to see what happens at the global finals before making any judgment imo. While that is true the opposite is there as well. People tend to cling to some players a bit too much cause of previous results and whenever he is loosing say "yea but he did x and y so he is still the best". Flash is one of the main targets for this although it gets more realistic. The problem lies in how the title of "best player in the world" is defined. Some people say its over a longer period of time, others say it matters only at the current time. Neither is right or wrong, just a difference in definition.
The point is not who's the best player in the world.
It's who is the best player in the world in July.
Any it's clearly Maru.
I have to with bronze after the final. No doubt.
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On August 11 2013 02:43 blobrus wrote:
Oh wait I forgot this was the power rank from July, so the results last night have no bearing on this ranking whatsoever. But yeah TL writers totally biased because they can't read the future.
The fact that this rank came out one day before final is already sort of biased. Still, a good power rank after all. Agree with most.
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On August 11 2013 02:46 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 02:43 blobrus wrote:
Oh wait I forgot this was the power rank from July, so the results last night have no bearing on this ranking whatsoever. But yeah TL writers totally biased because they can't read the future. The fact that this rank came out one day before final is already sort of biased. Still, a good power rank after all. Agree with most.
Well it already came out late, this is the power rankings for July not August. Innovation was in my, and many others eyes the best in July, tonight's results have absolutely nothing to do with it. Maru is currently the best in August, if they released a rank today I would say he's #1 in the world. But there's also a finals in two weeks.
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On August 11 2013 02:39 monk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:A lot of you owe Maru an apology. He became #1 when he defeated Innovation and had a solid July. He defended it when he defeated the #2. There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
It is Maru, the man who just won the most difficult individual tournament in the world. At tournament which both Innovation and Rain played in! And he defeated them both, the Power Rank #1 and #2 on his way to victory!On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. No bias from the TL writers huh? Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias. You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that? lol, way to completely misinterpret Fionn's post in so so many ways.
How is that Power Rank doing Monk?
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On August 11 2013 02:52 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 02:39 monk wrote:On August 10 2013 23:01 BronzeKnee wrote:A lot of you owe Maru an apology. He became #1 when he defeated Innovation and had a solid July. He defended it when he defeated the #2. There is no doubt who the best play SC2 player on the planet is.
It is Maru, the man who just won the most difficult individual tournament in the world. At tournament which both Innovation and Rain played in! And he defeated them both, the Power Rank #1 and #2 on his way to victory!On August 10 2013 20:06 Fionn wrote:
thing is none of these regional finals matter cause we're just going to use the seasonal finals to determine who goes where.
watch innovation just 4-0 in the finals again. No bias from the TL writers huh? Honestly, you guys shouldn't do a Power Rank with this kind of bias. You can't possibly be unbiased when you're already calling the score of the finals 4-0 in favor of Innovation, and telling us that Maru's achievement don't matter. This is why that WCG qualifier performance and a few best of one wins in Proleague for Innovation overcame Maru's stomp into the OSL Finals over Symbol and a 4-0 Innovation huh? Just go ahead his discount his achievements... Why slap Maru in the face like that? lol, way to completely misinterpret Fionn's post in so so many ways. How is that Power Rank doing Monk?
pretty good, thanks ^^
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On August 11 2013 02:46 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 02:43 blobrus wrote:
Oh wait I forgot this was the power rank from July, so the results last night have no bearing on this ranking whatsoever. But yeah TL writers totally biased because they can't read the future. The fact that this rank came out one day before final is already sort of biased. Still, a good power rank after all. Agree with most.
Lol, so the ranking for July comes out at the beginning of August and it is biased? Wtf are you smoking?
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On August 11 2013 01:17 FuRong wrote:
You don't automatically become the #1 player in the world by winning one tournament. Is Maru underappreciated? Yes. But can we definitively say he is the best player in the world right now? I don't think so.
Innovation's results from the last few GSLs:
Semifinals (January GSL)
Finals (WCS1)
Champion (WCS global finals)
Semifinals (WCS2)
That's consistency. On top of that he carried his team to a PL victory and was the second winningest player across the PL season. If Maru can show results like that over his next few tournaments then maybe he does deserve the #1 spot, but it's too early to call at this stage. We need to see what happens at the global finals before making any judgment imo.
To be fair, the rankings specifically state that the results within that month matter most. So if Maru does will in globals, he should get the top spot.
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