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On August 13 2013 03:47 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 06:18 shin777 wrote:lol. innovation only won 1 championship when hellbat was super op and he was abusing it to death or cheese all the time. I just can't understand people calling him the best in the world. If that logic applies, it is absolutely ok for maru to be the best in the world right now. He beat all the top players alone the way this season and he should be #1 in the world and power rank #1. If innovation should be considered #1 in the world, he's gotta at least win few championships not just 1 championship with patch terran manner. He's good in tvz I give him that but other than that, he's nothing special but patch terran champ. Need prove? As soon as hellbat nerf came, bomber 3-0 him, maru 4-0 him. Bomber didn't even cheese him and still destroyed innovation. Maru 1 based all in him 3 times in a row but that hardly matters coz innovation couldn't adopt at all. That surely doesn't suit #1 in the world. Innovation's tvt was 100% based on cheese or hellbat drop abuse to mech push and with that gone, his seemingly invincible tvt record was bound to fall(though I bet nobody expected his tvt was that bad without hellbat). Innovation should feel lucky that hellbat nerf came after he made it to round of 4. In wings of liberty, inno wasn't even code S round of 8 material and only reason he won season 1 final was most of his important matchese were tvt where he could abuse hellbat drop and cheese to death. If Innovation still plays solid and win another championship, I will consider him as one of the best in the world but as it is now, he's mere patch terran champ in my book. So there you go. All you people calling Maru garbage, you should have look at innovation's record first. By people who calling innovation #1 in the world's logic, Maru prime is NEW #1 in the world. He beat the best in the world innovation 4-0, so Maru is the #1. There's no excuse for innovation losing 4 games in a row whether he cheesed or not. His tvt was never impressive from the beginning and with hellbat drop gone, he will never be able to win tvt the way he did up till now. I bet flash, mvp etc will have sweet revenge times against innovation if they ever meet him again.  I'm not an Innovation fan but he would have won the last two GSLs in WoL if ZvT weren't ridiculously Z favored. Have you watched his TvZ in WoL? Without mines and booster his medivac harass still looked fucking insane. And he didn't lose any Bo3 TvT in WoL so I don't know wtf you're talking about.
Would he have beaten Life if Life hadn't been eliminated by his weak ZvZ?
Would he have beaten MC?
Would he have beaten all the other Terrans that would have been around? Or even outperformed him at that time (Taeja)?
Innovations strength is and was first and foremost his TvZ. His other matchups are top, but not as beastly.
It's a useless discussion to begin with, but even if you lead it, Innovation was not even the most successful Terran - not to say nonZerg, player - at the end of WoL.
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On August 09 2013 02:52 PerryHooter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:44 ChoiSulli wrote:
It is kinda stupid when you can have 5 new people in the top 10 of power rank in one month. This game is either to volatile or the skill gaps arent wide enough to even warrant a list then. Flash was in like the BW power rank for years in SC2 he drops out after 1 month. There is no need for a power rank if the guys that get through wcs korea are going to get top billing every month. All the quarter finalists from WCS Korea are in the top 10.... lets be serious how many of those guys if matched 1 on 1 in best of 5 vs Flash, would be considered favorite by the public?
"Game is bad because flash isn't in the power rank. Also, power rank is bad because flash isn't in it." 
The fact they consider Flash as favorite is because 70 % of the votes are infavor of him being the BW God.
And you also have to be serious his TvP is actully bad.. and hes not that uber in TvT he just is not that good in Sc2 YET
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On August 13 2013 19:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 03:47 painkilla wrote:On August 12 2013 06:18 shin777 wrote:lol. innovation only won 1 championship when hellbat was super op and he was abusing it to death or cheese all the time. I just can't understand people calling him the best in the world. If that logic applies, it is absolutely ok for maru to be the best in the world right now. He beat all the top players alone the way this season and he should be #1 in the world and power rank #1. If innovation should be considered #1 in the world, he's gotta at least win few championships not just 1 championship with patch terran manner. He's good in tvz I give him that but other than that, he's nothing special but patch terran champ. Need prove? As soon as hellbat nerf came, bomber 3-0 him, maru 4-0 him. Bomber didn't even cheese him and still destroyed innovation. Maru 1 based all in him 3 times in a row but that hardly matters coz innovation couldn't adopt at all. That surely doesn't suit #1 in the world. Innovation's tvt was 100% based on cheese or hellbat drop abuse to mech push and with that gone, his seemingly invincible tvt record was bound to fall(though I bet nobody expected his tvt was that bad without hellbat). Innovation should feel lucky that hellbat nerf came after he made it to round of 4. In wings of liberty, inno wasn't even code S round of 8 material and only reason he won season 1 final was most of his important matchese were tvt where he could abuse hellbat drop and cheese to death. If Innovation still plays solid and win another championship, I will consider him as one of the best in the world but as it is now, he's mere patch terran champ in my book. So there you go. All you people calling Maru garbage, you should have look at innovation's record first. By people who calling innovation #1 in the world's logic, Maru prime is NEW #1 in the world. He beat the best in the world innovation 4-0, so Maru is the #1. There's no excuse for innovation losing 4 games in a row whether he cheesed or not. His tvt was never impressive from the beginning and with hellbat drop gone, he will never be able to win tvt the way he did up till now. I bet flash, mvp etc will have sweet revenge times against innovation if they ever meet him again. I'm not an Innovation fan but he would have won the last two GSLs in WoL if ZvT weren't ridiculously Z favored. Have you watched his TvZ in WoL? Without mines and booster his medivac harass still looked fucking insane. And he didn't lose any Bo3 TvT in WoL so I don't know wtf you're talking about. Would he have beaten Life if Life hadn't been eliminated by his weak ZvZ? Would he have beaten MC? Would he have beaten all the other Terrans that would have been around? Or even outperformed him at that time (Taeja)? Innovations strength is and was first and foremost his TvZ. His other matchups are top, but not as beastly. It's a useless discussion to begin with, but even if you lead it, Innovation was not even the most successful Terran - not to say nonZerg, player - at the end of WoL.
He won all his TvT in his two WoL GSLs , against Polt, Keen, and Taeja (the best TvTer at the time). Innovation TvP would have been pretty insane too ( we know that now ), and Protoss weren't doing well against Terrans in that period. Mvp showed that Life was not invincible even with WoL balance. Thus a strong argument could be made for Innovation winning those GSLs had TvZ were balance.
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On August 13 2013 20:22 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 19:22 Big J wrote:On August 13 2013 03:47 painkilla wrote:On August 12 2013 06:18 shin777 wrote:lol. innovation only won 1 championship when hellbat was super op and he was abusing it to death or cheese all the time. I just can't understand people calling him the best in the world. If that logic applies, it is absolutely ok for maru to be the best in the world right now. He beat all the top players alone the way this season and he should be #1 in the world and power rank #1. If innovation should be considered #1 in the world, he's gotta at least win few championships not just 1 championship with patch terran manner. He's good in tvz I give him that but other than that, he's nothing special but patch terran champ. Need prove? As soon as hellbat nerf came, bomber 3-0 him, maru 4-0 him. Bomber didn't even cheese him and still destroyed innovation. Maru 1 based all in him 3 times in a row but that hardly matters coz innovation couldn't adopt at all. That surely doesn't suit #1 in the world. Innovation's tvt was 100% based on cheese or hellbat drop abuse to mech push and with that gone, his seemingly invincible tvt record was bound to fall(though I bet nobody expected his tvt was that bad without hellbat). Innovation should feel lucky that hellbat nerf came after he made it to round of 4. In wings of liberty, inno wasn't even code S round of 8 material and only reason he won season 1 final was most of his important matchese were tvt where he could abuse hellbat drop and cheese to death. If Innovation still plays solid and win another championship, I will consider him as one of the best in the world but as it is now, he's mere patch terran champ in my book. So there you go. All you people calling Maru garbage, you should have look at innovation's record first. By people who calling innovation #1 in the world's logic, Maru prime is NEW #1 in the world. He beat the best in the world innovation 4-0, so Maru is the #1. There's no excuse for innovation losing 4 games in a row whether he cheesed or not. His tvt was never impressive from the beginning and with hellbat drop gone, he will never be able to win tvt the way he did up till now. I bet flash, mvp etc will have sweet revenge times against innovation if they ever meet him again. I'm not an Innovation fan but he would have won the last two GSLs in WoL if ZvT weren't ridiculously Z favored. Have you watched his TvZ in WoL? Without mines and booster his medivac harass still looked fucking insane. And he didn't lose any Bo3 TvT in WoL so I don't know wtf you're talking about. Would he have beaten Life if Life hadn't been eliminated by his weak ZvZ? Would he have beaten MC? Would he have beaten all the other Terrans that would have been around? Or even outperformed him at that time (Taeja)? Innovations strength is and was first and foremost his TvZ. His other matchups are top, but not as beastly. It's a useless discussion to begin with, but even if you lead it, Innovation was not even the most successful Terran - not to say nonZerg, player - at the end of WoL. He won all his TvT in his two WoL GSLs , against Polt, Keen, and Taeja (the best TvTer at the time). Innovation TvP would have been pretty insane too ( we know that now ), and Protoss weren't doing well against Terrans in that period. Mvp showed that Life was not invincible even with WoL balance. Thus a strong argument could be made for Innovation winning those GSLs had TvZ were balance.
You can make the same strong arguement for this seasons OSL... just that Innovation got stomped out of it by someone noone would have made an arguement for.
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On August 13 2013 20:35 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 20:22 painkilla wrote:On August 13 2013 19:22 Big J wrote:On August 13 2013 03:47 painkilla wrote:On August 12 2013 06:18 shin777 wrote:lol. innovation only won 1 championship when hellbat was super op and he was abusing it to death or cheese all the time. I just can't understand people calling him the best in the world. If that logic applies, it is absolutely ok for maru to be the best in the world right now. He beat all the top players alone the way this season and he should be #1 in the world and power rank #1. If innovation should be considered #1 in the world, he's gotta at least win few championships not just 1 championship with patch terran manner. He's good in tvz I give him that but other than that, he's nothing special but patch terran champ. Need prove? As soon as hellbat nerf came, bomber 3-0 him, maru 4-0 him. Bomber didn't even cheese him and still destroyed innovation. Maru 1 based all in him 3 times in a row but that hardly matters coz innovation couldn't adopt at all. That surely doesn't suit #1 in the world. Innovation's tvt was 100% based on cheese or hellbat drop abuse to mech push and with that gone, his seemingly invincible tvt record was bound to fall(though I bet nobody expected his tvt was that bad without hellbat). Innovation should feel lucky that hellbat nerf came after he made it to round of 4. In wings of liberty, inno wasn't even code S round of 8 material and only reason he won season 1 final was most of his important matchese were tvt where he could abuse hellbat drop and cheese to death. If Innovation still plays solid and win another championship, I will consider him as one of the best in the world but as it is now, he's mere patch terran champ in my book. So there you go. All you people calling Maru garbage, you should have look at innovation's record first. By people who calling innovation #1 in the world's logic, Maru prime is NEW #1 in the world. He beat the best in the world innovation 4-0, so Maru is the #1. There's no excuse for innovation losing 4 games in a row whether he cheesed or not. His tvt was never impressive from the beginning and with hellbat drop gone, he will never be able to win tvt the way he did up till now. I bet flash, mvp etc will have sweet revenge times against innovation if they ever meet him again. I'm not an Innovation fan but he would have won the last two GSLs in WoL if ZvT weren't ridiculously Z favored. Have you watched his TvZ in WoL? Without mines and booster his medivac harass still looked fucking insane. And he didn't lose any Bo3 TvT in WoL so I don't know wtf you're talking about. Would he have beaten Life if Life hadn't been eliminated by his weak ZvZ? Would he have beaten MC? Would he have beaten all the other Terrans that would have been around? Or even outperformed him at that time (Taeja)? Innovations strength is and was first and foremost his TvZ. His other matchups are top, but not as beastly. It's a useless discussion to begin with, but even if you lead it, Innovation was not even the most successful Terran - not to say nonZerg, player - at the end of WoL. He won all his TvT in his two WoL GSLs , against Polt, Keen, and Taeja (the best TvTer at the time). Innovation TvP would have been pretty insane too ( we know that now ), and Protoss weren't doing well against Terrans in that period. Mvp showed that Life was not invincible even with WoL balance. Thus a strong argument could be made for Innovation winning those GSLs had TvZ were balance. You can make the same strong arguement for this seasons OSL... just that Innovation got stomped out of it by someone noone would have made an arguement for.
Therefore it was an argument, not a claim/statement, of a hypothetical situation. The guy I quoted said that Innovation was not Code S Ro8 material in WoL or something, I said he was in fact championship contender material.
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Too much proleague, too little polt.
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i dont really get how they almost put up revival on that list, but not even considered JD. but then again, i dont really get this power rank thing anyway 
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On August 10 2013 19:56 LittleRedBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 18:02 Torra wrote:
Innovation is still clearly the best player in the world, I don't know why people question him getting #1 again. Um, Maru just beat #1 and #2 by a combined score of 8-2 and you still think Innovation is "clearly the best player in the world?" What world are you living on exactly?
A world in which SC2 is volatile enough to forgive monumental players like Bogus for losing a series.
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The month that OSL/GSL playoffs and finals are being played I really dont need a power rank to find out who is #1 and #2. Its right there on the scoreboard. Maru n1 and Rain n2. It really is that simple.
edit: btw the more you argue for innovations awesomness the more impressive Marus achievement gets 
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On August 15 2013 19:00 Fjodorov wrote:The month that OSL/GSL playoffs and finals are being played I really dont need a power rank to find out who is #1 and #2. Its right there on the scoreboard. Maru n1 and Rain n2. It really is that simple. edit: btw the more you argue for innovations awesomness the more impressive Marus achievement gets
Sure, if they were the only tournaments happening.
Next month's power rank will have WCS global s2. Let's say Bomber wins that, Grubby comes runner up.
Do we do the list by ranking in that tournament? What if Maru comes in #9-16, and Rain gets to #5-8? Do we now disregard Maru beating Rain?
Some people take head to head far too literally for best in the world. You guys be wanting the Unofficial world championship thread =P
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On August 15 2013 22:47 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 19:00 Fjodorov wrote:The month that OSL/GSL playoffs and finals are being played I really dont need a power rank to find out who is #1 and #2. Its right there on the scoreboard. Maru n1 and Rain n2. It really is that simple. edit: btw the more you argue for innovations awesomness the more impressive Marus achievement gets Sure, if they were the only tournaments happening. Next month's power rank will have WCS global s2. Let's say Bomber wins that, Grubby comes runner up. Do we do the list by ranking in that tournament? What if Maru comes in #9-16, and Rain gets to #5-8? Do we now disregard Maru beating Rain? Some people take head to head far too literally for best in the world. You guys be wanting the Unofficial world championship thread =P
And some people keep denying results just so they can claim that their favorite player is still the best in the world.
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"has not lost an offline macro TvP in four months" sounds like some serious cherry picking.
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Innovation is the most strongest..
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When does proleague start, anyway, so we can get back to the "real" power rank?
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On August 16 2013 22:08 ZackAttack wrote:
"has not lost an offline macro TvP in four months" sounds like some serious cherry picking.
yea the macro part is fucking ridiculous, cherry picking offline only games is fine with me, but then claiming he only lost cause his opponent wasn't playing the game correctly? lol, I bet he would win every macro game ever if he would just open 3 CC first, then we could really call him the best player in the world winning every macro game and only losing to cheese
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So who did Taeja beat to deserve #4? Just asking...Beating foreigners and lower level Koreans should not count that much. The level of WCS America is like code A Korea or even less. I don't know if Polt is even Code S quality. He beat Jaedong who dropped from code S and couldnt qualify anymore, same as Taeja. All Koreans that cannot qualify in Code S went to WCS EU and AM.
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On August 22 2013 06:31 p14c wrote:
So who did Taeja beat to deserve #4? Just asking...Beating foreigners and lower level Koreans should not count that much. The level of WCS America is like code A Korea or even less. I don't know if Polt is even Code S quality. He beat Jaedong who dropped from code S and couldnt qualify anymore, same as Taeja. All Koreans that cannot qualify in Code S went to WCS EU and AM.
Taeja is at spot 6 not 4.
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On August 22 2013 06:31 p14c wrote:
So who did Taeja beat to deserve #4? Just asking...Beating foreigners and lower level Koreans should not count that much. The level of WCS America is like code A Korea or even less. I don't know if Polt is even Code S quality. He beat Jaedong who dropped from code S and couldnt qualify anymore, same as Taeja. All Koreans that cannot qualify in Code S went to WCS EU and AM.
Um he never beat jaedong fyi (jaedong is 2-0 versus him). Also Jaedong isn't in code S because he's playing in WCS America which he made finals of. Also Taeja is rank 6 not 4. Pretty much you are wrong in everything in this post wow good job.
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+ Show Spoiler +And it'll be nice to see Jaedong back on the PR (after back to back finals I'd be shocked if he wasn't).
We're getting closer to see a foreigner on the PR I'd say. Given that there's no proleague this month WCS will likely account for more than it has in the past.
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