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On August 09 2013 19:10 Brian333 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 19:03 darkness wrote:On August 09 2013 18:49 Brian333 wrote:
Topics like this eventually become bad because people start discussing how to save SC2 and everybody just wastes their time on irrelevant points.
The main point and the only point that matters is that more people need to play SC2. All discussion should be about how to get more people playing SC2. To make more people play, some things need to be changed such as the custom map system. Therefore, the discussions you deny are actually meaningful to help SC2 grow. The discussions that I say are useless are the ones that are talking about visible micro and related bull shit. I am saying all this talk about how to increase viewability and viewership as the main points are totally pointless because it's akin to saying the way to make a good game is to make the graphics better. They are talking about shallow and insignificant aspects of the problem and forgetting the substance.
I remember Diego Armando Maradona running through the team i support like they didnt exist in the 86 World Cup and scoring possibly the greatest goal in the history of football, what a moment in my life!! The viewer ship of a sport lives and dies on these moments.
The percentage of people watching football far outstrips those playing it, most viewers have barely kicked a ball in their lives. A "bad" world cup is when the skilful players dont show their thing, and the side effect is less people watch the game.
For SC2 to grow past its player base it has to be entertaining to watch, showing player skill\micro is vital imho along with action. How are you supposed to encourage friends to watch it if its dull to watch
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On August 09 2013 18:58 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:40 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 18:14 Charon1979 wrote:On August 09 2013 17:57 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 17:43 Charon1979 wrote:On August 09 2013 17:27 NarutO wrote:On August 09 2013 17:20 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 17:11 NarutO wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:
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Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ Really you are just back from a ban and you instantly whine again? Do you ever learn? Maybe there is some whine in his post! But he is not completely wrong. I really like the TvZ match up because of all the action going on. I play Terran and so i am Biased but in most cases it´s really like Zerg is defending defending defending untill Terran wins or Zerg is playing a roch/bling all in at various timmings and the game is over after one fight. No whine here only some observations. There is a lot more to Terran vs Zerg than he wants to admit. Besides INnoVation there is no Terran that looks untouchable in his parade push and it really just takes one bad engagement for Terran to be as behind as Zerg if he takes a bad engagement. Its a volatile match up and mines are by no means reliable. It happens that there are good shots (targetted or not) but as a matter of fact a Zerg can work on minimizing or negating mine shots. Its not easy, but neither is splitting and/or multidrops while macro'ing behind. He makes it sound like Terran goes 1a with his army, presses burrow and the magic happens which simply is not the case. He makes it sound like Biomine is Broodlord/Infestor of Terran and our winrate through whole Starcraft 2 appears to be 95% and Terrans rise on all levels which is, once again, completely wrong. As a player? Yes. As a viewer? No. Thats no question of "how hard is it for race X". The Question is "how interesting is it for a viewer?" When i watch SC2 i see the following. Game begins there is a little scoutworker micro going on, maybe 2 or 3 units poke each other (fun part) then the game translates into a macro fest (maybe interrupted by a drop) (boooooooring) after that we got 2 maxed out armies just sitting there and daning back and forth without ever fighting. (already asleep) Suddenly a fight occurs (one player didnt pay attention or was cought in a bad spot) we see 10 seconds of fighting and the game is basically over. No matter how much skill is involved, this is what it looks like to the average viewer. And this is the reason why viewers switching to MOBA. There is action all the time all over the map which is way more spectator friendly (and commentator friendly for that part.. nothing is more hinting at the boring parts as when commentators have to tell "funny" stories because there is nothing happening in the game for a long time). Kind of understand you point. Even i (i am a huge sc2 fan boy) watched dota over the past few days and i was excited. But maybe sc2 is the wrong e-sport for you and you are not interested in the details behind the builds or the metagame. SC2 is for sure not as spectator friendly than dota 2 or lol but there is more behind the games then you admit! And there we have the core problem: Obviously many ppl realized that SC2 ist the "wrong" eSport for them. Resultin in less viewers, resulting in less income, resulting in SC2 getting dropped in favor of moe viewer generating games.
This is no "SC2 is bad" post but its like comparing chess on television to soccer on television. One of them is mentally really challenging but from a spectator pov really boring (a few hardcore chess fans aside) so soccer will always bring more viewers which leads to more tournaments, advertising, price money, salyary,...Viewers dont care whats "behind" the game. Viewers care what they SEE. If you watch a game of soccer you watch the ball and ppl interacting with the ball. You dont care about how long and hard they trained to get that endurance, you care about passes, dribblings, defense and offense but rarely about how the shoes are affecting their runspeed, how this kind of grass affects the ball,... There are always more behind a game. Its just a viewer doesnt care about "behind". An average viewer doesnt care about "superior macro" because he had 2 workers more in a 20 minute game, an average viewer cares about that 5 Marines who killed 20 zerglings by godlike micro (even if it wasnt that hard for the executing player). Viewers are more "visible micro" orientated then "looking behind the game". Even in Lol the average viewer doesnt care about what items did he buy, or "oh wow he got 12 Cs more then his opponent". these are huge things if you look at them in detail but to an average viewer this does not matter at all. All that matters is the "micro action" going on across the map in multiple locations und SC2 "evolved" away from visible action to "invisible mechanics" Nice elitist syndrome. If you paid only a single attention to LoL or DoTA2 (especially DoTA2 since LoL is kind of a dumbed down version of it), you would know that the depth of those games far outsurpass SC2, and even BW. That said, BW was still amazing to watch because it was an immense mechanic challenge for the players. SC2 on the other hand has a pretty stale metagame and a lower skill ceiling for the mechanics, thus explaining why there are no true bonjwas.. lol and dota with the same metagame over and over will never suprass sc2 in difficulty.there was a statistic shown on reddit regarding the items each jungler uses and literraly each jungler in the lcs used the exact same items 90% of the time.and its the same strat time and time again.And i have seen the same teamcomp and item comp in dota2.most dota2 players know 4 heroes max and 3 item builds which they repeat.in sc2 builds differe radically.so do styles. and i am not making things up regarding the junglers. http://imgur.com/9DeKkSbthis is how advanced moba meta is right now.and i do not have time to search dota2 stats regarding picks and itemizations
You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Meta in LoL is constantly changing through new strategies (atm pushmeta with 2v1 lanes), new champs, new items, map changes or simple balance changes.
The game is extremely different from what it was a few months ago and this was extremely different from what it was in the previous season.
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On August 09 2013 19:28 potatomash3r wrote:
Wait a second, MLG pays Blizzard to host SC2? That's just ridiculous.
Ignoring gameplay, strategy, players, etc, its shit like that's killing the SC2 scene. From the very beginning with the region locking bullshit and the 2 expansion plan from Blizzard its obvious that they are out there to make nothing but money. In stark contrast Dota2 is free and valve host one of the biggest esports tournaments so far with their own money. They also strongly support community generated content and with the future implementation of custom maps Dota2 will just get bigger, and its all free.
I feel like Blizzard or maybe Activision dropped the ball, and with free to play being a major thing now, SC2 just can't adapt.
The issue here is not that starcraft isn't free to play, while it certainly can be considered a limiting factor its not even close to the issues at hand.
Between making tournament organizers giving up most of their rights to host a starcraft tournament (For no other reason then to cash in on their IP),
A disconnect between the casual side of starcraft and the professional scene with no viable bridge between the two (the game my friend plays whose in silver is vastly different then one you would play in masters, with the common remark of "Wtf is going on" when watching a stream)
the interface that starcraft is based on has (and is) been crippling starcraft. Even simple things like custom games cause unnecessary confusion when creating a game. Nevermind other missing features like in-client tournaments.
There is no incentive or "fun" to learning about the professional scene. If you want to encourage someone to get excited about something, you first show how fun something is, not how aggravating it can be (which is what I feel blizzard unintentionally does by trying to get folks to play 1v1 ladder as quickly as possible).
A lack of commitment from blizzard's part to keep in touch with the community. Compared to say riot or valve, there are always dev blogs out there saying how things are going and at least acknowledging the issues the community has about their game.
Now, some things can be solved by the community. We're smart people, we can definitely improve our casting or create a welcoming atmosphere to newcomers and the old guard alike. However, without some changes to the game itself, I dont see starcraft ever acquiring mass-appeal or even mimicking bw's lifespan.
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On August 09 2013 14:22 saddaromma wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eUaZdrp.png) Picture tells the tales, even if you omit dota 2 due to international. SC2 has low entertainment value, therefore fewer viewers and less sponsors. Its only up to Blizzard if they want the game to be succesful. They have to do something asap. 1. Fire Dustin Browder and David Kim. 2. Hire new team and redesign SC2's multiplayer. The best candidates are people who make best maps and who have better understanding of what community/viewer needs. And remember: action is always better than noactionUser was warned for this post
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t9YlFzn.png)
Not sure if you are trolling or what, but this should show how stupid your conclusion is. According to your logic all games would be dying except for LoL because this picture proofs it.
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On August 09 2013 19:42 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 19:10 Brian333 wrote:On August 09 2013 19:03 darkness wrote:On August 09 2013 18:49 Brian333 wrote:
Topics like this eventually become bad because people start discussing how to save SC2 and everybody just wastes their time on irrelevant points.
The main point and the only point that matters is that more people need to play SC2. All discussion should be about how to get more people playing SC2. To make more people play, some things need to be changed such as the custom map system. Therefore, the discussions you deny are actually meaningful to help SC2 grow. The discussions that I say are useless are the ones that are talking about visible micro and related bull shit. I am saying all this talk about how to increase viewability and viewership as the main points are totally pointless because it's akin to saying the way to make a good game is to make the graphics better. They are talking about shallow and insignificant aspects of the problem and forgetting the substance. I remember Diego Armando Maradona running through the team i support like they didnt exist in the 86 World Cup and scoring possibly the greatest goal in the history of football, what a moment in my life!! The viewer ship of a sport lives and dies on these moments. The percentage of people watching football far outstrips those playing it, most viewers have barely kicked a ball in their lives. A "bad" world cup is when the skilful players dont show their thing, and the side effect is less people watch the game. For SC2 to grow past its player base it has to be entertaining to watch, showing player skill\micro is vital imho along with action. How are you supposed to encourage friends to watch it if its dull to watch
Another shallow post to lump in with all the rest that miss the point.
You know that before that goal occured, football had to get to that moment. It didn't get there without A LOT of people playing it even if you have never kicked a ball in your life. If nobody played football, the moment that captivated you would not exist. Football would've just fallen by the wayside and other, more playable, more popular sports would've taken its place in history.
It's called a solid foundation and a core audience. SC2 can't hope to grow when their foundation is shaky and their core audience is leaving.
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On August 09 2013 20:01 Strela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:22 saddaromma wrote:Picture tells the tales, even if you omit dota 2 due to international. SC2 has low entertainment value, therefore fewer viewers and less sponsors. Its only up to Blizzard if they want the game to be succesful. They have to do something asap. 1. Fire Dustin Browder and David Kim. 2. Hire new team and redesign SC2's multiplayer. The best candidates are people who make best maps and who have better understanding of what community/viewer needs. And remember: action is always better than noactionUser was warned for this post + Show Spoiler +Not sure if you are trolling or what, but this should show how stupid your conclusion is. According to your logic all games would be dying except for LoL because this picture proofs it.
Nice one.
First of all: There are 3 top-tier games: LoL, Dota and SC2. And they're all expected to have high viewer count. Others are casual games and they can't be dying, since they don't have any scene at all.
Secondly: I think this one is your main catch - Dota is sitting around 3k right now. Bravo! But its only temporary downtime, due to two reasons. 1) People have been watching international all day and need to rest. 2) all other dota leagues/notable players are not streaming due to international.
Thirdly: SC2's viewer count was consistently low past two months and is still declining. You can check Jaedong's, Demuslim's, Idra's and Dragon's statistics.
The picture I provided was just a supplement, not my main point.
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I'm going to keep watching SC2 whatever so IDGAF
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I'll come to a conclusion to it when and if they decide to have it and the next MLG after Colombus
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On August 09 2013 20:27 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 20:01 Strela wrote:On August 09 2013 14:22 saddaromma wrote:Picture tells the tales, even if you omit dota 2 due to international. SC2 has low entertainment value, therefore fewer viewers and less sponsors. Its only up to Blizzard if they want the game to be succesful. They have to do something asap. 1. Fire Dustin Browder and David Kim. 2. Hire new team and redesign SC2's multiplayer. The best candidates are people who make best maps and who have better understanding of what community/viewer needs. And remember: action is always better than noactionUser was warned for this post + Show Spoiler +Not sure if you are trolling or what, but this should show how stupid your conclusion is. According to your logic all games would be dying except for LoL because this picture proofs it. Nice one. First of all: There are 3 top-tier games: LoL, Dota and SC2. And they're all expected to have high viewer count. Others are casual games and they can't be dying, since they don't have any scene at all. Secondly: I think this one is your main catch - Dota is sitting around 3k right now. Bravo! But its only temporary downtime, due to two reasons. 1) People have been watching international all day and need to rest. 2) all other dota leagues/notable players are not streaming due to international. Thirdly: SC2's viewer count was consistently low past two months and is still declining. You can check Jaedong's, Demuslim's, Idra's and Dragon's statistics. The picture I provided was just a supplement, not my main point.
As someone who watches both SC2 and Dota, they both have their highs and lowes. SC2 almost always beats out Dota 2 if any high level player or if WCS is on. The only time Dota 2 peaks above SC2 is during major events or finals. I would not say the one is better than the other.
Also, citing stream numbers as proof of anything should be made to a bannable offense. It is the weakest argument to look at the visable stream numbers and claim that proves anything at all.
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On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke
absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame.
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On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame.
I actually feel like most of the "fans" don't actually like the game that much.
I don't try to drag the game down, it's a stupid thing to do, but I know that even if I still watch a fair amount of starcraft, I don't really do it for the game itself anymore.
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On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame.
I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO.
Some man just want to watch the world burn.
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On August 09 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I actually feel like most of the "fans" don't actually like the game that much. I don't try to drag the game down, it's a stupid thing to do, but I know that even if I still watch a fair amount of starcraft, I don't really do it for the game itself anymore.
I'd say it's partially that, and also the usual internet bandwagoning towards grabbing the pitchforks and hitting the forums. I just don't understand the mentality, if you like the game, why magnify every mistake and trash it in front of everyone else who still likes it. nothing but immaturity tbh =/
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On August 09 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO. Some man just want to watch the world burn.
When crowd doesn't like something they express their feelings, thats how world works. You really think that people are complaining to kill the game?
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On August 09 2013 22:11 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote:On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I actually feel like most of the "fans" don't actually like the game that much. I don't try to drag the game down, it's a stupid thing to do, but I know that even if I still watch a fair amount of starcraft, I don't really do it for the game itself anymore. I'd say it's partially that, and also the usual internet bandwagoning towards grabbing the pitchforks and hitting the forums. I just don't understand the mentality, if you like the game, why magnify every mistake and trash it in front of everyone else who still likes it. nothing but immaturity tbh =/
If anything, it has taught me that if you like somethign on the internet, you need to be protective of it from the hates who hide behind the "mask of criticism". They don't care and the more they tear down the game, the happier they are.
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On August 09 2013 22:15 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO. Some man just want to watch the world burn. When crowd doesn't like something they express their feelings, thats how world works. You really think that people are complaining to kill the game?
they complain at such lengths and with such ferocity that it's actively harmful, and I'd be willing to bet that many of them are aware of it, but still do it anyway for the reasons listed above
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On August 09 2013 22:15 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO. Some man just want to watch the world burn. When crowd doesn't like something they express their feelings, thats how world works. You really think that people are complaining to kill the game?
Yes, they want what they want and they don't care about anything else. They feel ownership over something they do not own and feel entitled to complain. You have a right to complain, but when you do it out loud, people might tell you to STFU and stop ruining their enjoyment of the game. You are only so special and only so important.
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On August 09 2013 22:17 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:15 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO. Some man just want to watch the world burn. When crowd doesn't like something they express their feelings, thats how world works. You really think that people are complaining to kill the game? they complain at such lengths and with such ferocity that it's actively harmful, and I'd be willing to bet that many of them are aware of it, but still do it anyway for the reasons listed above
Wanting the game to be better is harmful? How exactly?
I believe ignorant people are doing more harm, people acted as if everything was fine and blizzard gave us broodlord/infestor for a whole year. If not community's outrage we'd still be playing with warhounds and helbats.
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On August 09 2013 22:23 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:17 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 22:15 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I agree, its almost like they want to the game to fail. The worst part was some of the whiners coming over to watch TI3 and doing their crying in the LR threads, claimng they didn't like teams and line ups they knew nothing about. Claim styles were boring and Valve should remove heroes that they think are boring. Hating on casters. Thankfully, the Dota 2 section of TL just told them to STFU and GTFO. Some man just want to watch the world burn. When crowd doesn't like something they express their feelings, thats how world works. You really think that people are complaining to kill the game? they complain at such lengths and with such ferocity that it's actively harmful, and I'd be willing to bet that many of them are aware of it, but still do it anyway for the reasons listed above Wanting the game to be better is harmful? How exactly? I believe ignorant people are doing more harm, people acted as if everything was fine and blizzard gave us broodlord/infestor for a whole year. If not community's outrage we'd still be playing with warhounds and helbats.
Yeah, if it had stopped at that, we would be ok. But its not all good. Just like Blizzard messes up, sometimes the community acts like group of entitled, bitchy children who are upset about every little thing. From event format, to the number of Koreans in a specific event, or whining that Flash and innoviation are not at an event, even though they are at another event that weekend and couldn't be there. As someone who watches Dota 2, it was really obvious when those people came in. Bitching about stupid shit like a Bo1 in the losers bracket or for a tie breaker, or claiming that Korea would dominate if they were at TI3(Korea is terrible at Dota 2 right now, so bad they region locked their events). That isn't to make the game better, its just to bitch because they can and people told them to shut up.
Not all criticism is valid or good.
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Well I´m not worried about SC2. This is the start of something big, and we all(blizz, sc2community, etc) have to work together against Legacy of the Void. It´s happening right now! Hopefully Blizzard will respond to this in some way, I hope so. But Blizz is Blizz, and they haven´t reached the sc2community to get that connection that is needed. I would say that is all up to Blizzard now to make changes. The sc2 community need more actions taken by Blizz, feedback, sc2 interface"(LOL). Please do something BLizzard, I believe in u.
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