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On August 09 2013 23:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:15 Achaia wrote:On August 09 2013 22:33 jj33 wrote:On August 09 2013 22:27 Matisyahu wrote:
Well I´m not worried about SC2. This is the start of something big, and we all(blizz, sc2community, etc) have to work together against Legacy of the Void. It´s happening right now! Hopefully Blizzard will respond to this in some way, I hope so. But Blizz is Blizz, and they haven´t reached the sc2community to get that connection that is needed. I would say that is all up to Blizzard now to make changes. The sc2 community need more actions taken by Blizz, feedback, sc2 interface"(LOL). Please do something BLizzard, I believe in u. Blizzard is too arrogant. I think it's really good lol came along, i hope they really put things in perspective for blizz Sadly Blizzard doesn't care about LOL or how good they are at interacting with their community or how responsive they are to community concerns. Partially because of their arrogance as you mentioned and I'm sure also in part because LOL is a different gaming genre. While this is true it doesn't mean that they are competing for different shares of the gaming market because there are plenty of gamers that are into both and when you only have time to watch one event you'll most likely pick the more entertaining one which means Blizzard does need to be aware of how they're perceived in contrast to a company like Riot or Valve when it comes to spectator events. Sadly it seems that Blizz is still living in a bubble where they believe they can do no wrong. Hopefully whatever is preventing MLG from hosting SC2 will be resolved and we can all enjoy MLG Columbus with an SC2 tournament. Here's to hoping! Blizzard is a very old company and they have seen video game companies rise and fall. In 2009 people were talking about facebook games taking over all gaming. 2010 it was games like rockband and guitar hero. 2011 it was CoD destorying all records. 2012 it was the rise of LoL. Trying to respond to this stuff or chase the money that other people are making is a sure way to fail. Look at everyone who failed chasing Blizzard and WoW. You don't change everything just because someone else is making money.
Sorry I think you may have misunderstood the sentiment of my post. I don't think Blizzard should change EVERYTHING, I just think that there are a few things that LOL clearly does better than Blizzard and I would hope that they would recognize that and try to take a cue from other successful companies to improve themselves. I don't agree with everyone saying that Blizzard should copy the free to play model and monetize with skins and flags and whatever else they can cram into the game. I have a very bad feeling about the issues that have been surrounding their operation in the eSport scene this year though with NASL nearly shutting down because of their lack of ability to cast games (thank god they were given WCS) and it seems like they are involved with MLG not having SC2 at Columbus based on the tone of what we're seeing from MLG crew. My point was not that they should copy everything about any other gaming company but that they should be open to learning from other people's successes where they can.
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On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first.
Shocking, so your telling us that Redbull is just going to fill in where MLG left off in all ways. Sounds great to me. We just need them to open that studio for every match of WCS and film there and then we will have the US GOM TV we have wanted.
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On August 09 2013 22:29 jj33 wrote:
just curious, how many people play LOL (rough estimate) and how many dota 2?
I have been playing dota 2 (never played dota), maybe I'll give lol a shot.
LoL is roughly TEN times the size of Dota 2, in terms of player base.
LoL broke a record of 5 million concurrent players world-wide, the other day. Dota 2's record so far is 500k concurrent players worldwide.
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On August 09 2013 23:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:28 Tiaraju9 wrote:
This thread is disgusting.
From now we should have an "official whining SC2 is dying thread" (would be perfect if it were merged with the official balance thread). It should just have its own forum and keep it out of the SC2. Then we could finally be free.
What a nice dream *_*
This thread is exceptionally bad though, it's one of the worst I have ever seen. It's like everyone who had nothing to whine about in the last month came out of their caves to unload everything here.
On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first.
Sounds good to me.
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On August 09 2013 23:58 Skirmjan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 23:35 DanLee wrote:
It's so much more worthwhile to run a stream of LoL than sc2 for two reasons 1. LoL has 10x the viewers 2. Majority of the LoL viewers are either stupid or kids and don't know what adblock is so most of those viewers actually are generating revenue. In sc2 you could have 10k viewers but 9 900 of them are using adblock so you're fucked anyway. This same thing applies to dota2 as well though, they may get a lot of viewers but they all use adblock, but they still get sponsor support similar to sc2 and slightly more ad revenue. SC2 has survived because of sponsor support for the most part and what little ad revenue can be generated. It's time to realize we got fucked by adblock.
I think it's worthwhile to note that this website and original community was dedicated to bw during a time when there was NOTHING except wcg for foreigners to look forward to, there was NO incentive to be a pro player unless you were one of the top koreans. The only thing keeping people here was the game itself, not how many viewers it got or how much money the pro players made. So everytime you get the sc2 is dieing feeling and you start to freak out in threads like this, it's useful to realize it's impossible for sc2 to fall as low as bw was. Everything will be fine. Sundance still needs to die though. Sigh, and where did you get all this data? Let me guess, nowhere. Truth is, a major LoL event gets at worse 2x Sc2 viewers, and that's more because the major sc2 event is having a bad day than the other way around, and usually it gets some 1,3x (90-100k vs 120-140k) these are the usual numbers, while on very good Sc2 days (and yes, they do NOT happen every month, especially not in summer) we get this. + Show Spoiler +and i'm not even gonna comment the 99% adblock elitist nonsense,you're saying that you are using an adblock, and that "Sc2 viewer is hip and smart, LoL viewer is retarded",which also ignores the fact that even a ton of IT students/workers don't use adblock for a reason.... perhaps you should stop adblocking sc2 pages if you're worried about that. Probably Sc2 has a somewhat bigger adblock % on the population, but that's surely not a factor on the viability of a tournament. Please, if you gotta cry about the end of the world(Sc2), use numbers that are less likely to make people facepalm, thanks.
Sigh, standard ESL not understanding exaggeration. All of my points were correct and because I don't feel like finding the actual numbers and chose to use CLEARLY exaggerated ones doesn't take away from any of the points. LoL DOES have more viewers, sc2 viewers DO use adblock more than LoL viewers. Try and argue with either point, it's not possible. And next time before saying an idiotic comment like "Please, if you gotta cry about the end of the world(Sc2), use numbers that are less likely to make people facepalm, thanks." try reading my entire post where I said "So everytime you get the sc2 is dieing feeling and you start to freak out in threads like this, it's useful to realize it's impossible for sc2 to fall as low as bw was. Everything will be fine."
You need to be far less aggressive in your attacks against other forumgoers if you are going to be this stupid.
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On August 09 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:05 Pazuzu wrote:On August 09 2013 17:47 SamirDuran wrote:
I love how the sc2 community drags its own game down to its own grave. It makes me wanna puke absolutely this. people in this thread are disgusting. the moment something bad happens, starting back in the beginning of the beta, people switch into apocalypse mode and start tearing down the game they're supposed to be fans of. for shame. I actually feel like most of the "fans" don't actually like the game that much. I don't try to drag the game down, it's a stupid thing to do, but I know that even if I still watch a fair amount of starcraft, I don't really do it for the game itself anymore.
It's called being addicted to a game. Even though you don't really like the game anymore and you know it's bad for you, you still play it because there isn't really anything else out there like it (but you're still addicted to the mechanics/style of the game). Someone in this scenario isn't likely to be happy, and forum posts aren't going to be overly enthusiastic if you know what I mean.
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On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first.
What I don't get is how this is a problem, but DreamHack Winter/WCG being the same weekend is not
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On August 10 2013 00:48 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. What I don't get is how this is a problem, but DreamHack Winter/WCG being the same weekend is not
WCG doesnt need to get a license because no one watches it.
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On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first.
Really? I hope that's not the reason they denied dates for MLG. Not that I have anything against Red Bull but I was planning on going to MLG Columbus and I don't see why they can't both operate on the same weekend. The Red Bull events only invite like 8 players so there would still be a massive player base to attend MLG.
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On August 10 2013 00:48 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. What I don't get is how this is a problem, but DreamHack Winter/WCG being the same weekend is not
Where is WCG? China again? Different timezones, continents grant their own licenses, see Red Bull Training Ground and HSC.
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On August 10 2013 00:48 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. What I don't get is how this is a problem, but DreamHack Winter/WCG being the same weekend is not
I dont know if it is, but maybe that can work because of timezones, Red Bull and MLg would be same timezone.
Anyway if this news is true, we go from sc2 in NA is dying to oversaturation lol.
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On August 10 2013 00:50 Achaia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. Really? I hope that's not the reason they denied dates for MLG. Not that I have anything against Red Bull but I was planning on going to MLG Columbus and I don't see why they can't both operate on the same weekend. The Red Bull events only invite like 8 players so there would still be a massive player base to attend MLG.
We don't know what Red Bull will do this time. They can change things up. They could go big this time. It's better to wait and see instead of pointless speculation.
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On August 10 2013 00:49 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:48 XaCez wrote:On August 10 2013 00:32 AzBozz wrote:
Scott Smith @SirScoots 5m
BREAKING: Sources close to SSNN report that Red Bull has been granted a SC2 license for the same dates @MLG requested. They asked first. What I don't get is how this is a problem, but DreamHack Winter/WCG being the same weekend is not WCG doesnt need to get a license because no one watches it.
They are also no where near in the same time zone, so there is little overlap. I think Blizzard is doing region control to stop events from eating away at eachother.
At least we know why now. SC2 isn't unwanted, its that two groups wanted it. Personally, I like Redbull a little more than MLG, with their studio feel. I am betting they will do some open bracket event or qualifers of some form. That would be the most fun.
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Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot?
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On August 10 2013 00:52 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot?
Exactly
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On August 10 2013 00:52 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot?
Yes. Blizzard gave it to them because they asked first.
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On August 10 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:52 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot? Yes. Blizzard gave it to them because they asked first.
The plot thickens!
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If that's true I'll have to shake my head again at MLG's PR strategy.
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Inb4 just another ruse to get attention
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On August 10 2013 00:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:52 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot? Yes. Blizzard gave it to them because they asked first.
On August 10 2013 00:53 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 00:52 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait does that last thing basically mean that MLG didn't host another SC2 tournament because Red Bull got the license first for that same time slot? Exactly
Thanks guys.
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