• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:46
CEST 19:46
KST 02:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 235ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon435.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft? Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5413 users

Innovation FP/APM video - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
July 28 2013 06:14 GMT
#121
not sure if anyone has answered this yet, but is that a goliathus speed or control?
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 06:19:28
July 28 2013 06:18 GMT
#122
On July 27 2013 05:50 MaxViktory wrote:
He seems to be living in BW still. He really should have a talk with Jakatak. Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?! He had a hotkey on m/n that he used several times and some around the "ö/;"-keys that he had to hit with his thumb while holding down shift with his pinkie. So ineffective! :D I tried to play broodwar and it was like that with everything, just building an overlord took my hand over the entire keyboard.


When I almost reached gladiator as a holy paladin in WoW I had more hotkeys than I had keys on my keyboard. I ended up having to put half of them on control keys.

It's really really easy to stretch your hands at a great speed when you are used to it.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 06:24:24
July 28 2013 06:23 GMT
#123
On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times.

His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 28 2013 08:05 GMT
#124
On July 28 2013 15:23 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times.

His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball.


Don't get me wrong, I do think he scouted just enough in this specific game, and his multi-tasking skills should be good enough to intensify his scouting, when needed.

I've just seen Life's game, and realised the same thing.

Maybe it's just me, but I remember watching a few BW FPOV games where the player switches back and forth a lot from his base and the enemy's base, from start to finish (maybe it was Bisu and his intense in-base probe micro-ing). It was absolutely dizzying to watch, but impressive. Maybe these specific SC2 games are not intense enough, due to the quality of the opposition (looking at the brackets, Innovation and Life weren't exactly facing top-tier opponents in these matches). I'm not being elitist or nostalgic, but I really look forward to SC2 games being brought to the dizzying heights of BW (pun intended).
gg no re thx
Brownic
Profile Joined June 2013
Australia69 Posts
July 28 2013 11:23 GMT
#125
I love how Life plays that mobile game before his game. Perhaps it helps calm any nerves by keeping his hand busy?
We make expand, then defense it.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
July 28 2013 11:26 GMT
#126
His legs work as dissipators for such raw power.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 28 2013 11:26 GMT
#127
On July 28 2013 20:23 Brownic wrote:
I love how Life plays that mobile game before his game. Perhaps it helps calm any nerves by keeping his hand busy?

I'm guessing he just thinks it's fun.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
July 28 2013 12:16 GMT
#128
Life - CandyCrush expert
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 14:36:42
July 28 2013 14:26 GMT
#129
Man, what a scrub. Can we hurry up and nerf terran already?

Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage.

A couple of things I thought were interesting:
1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do.
2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view?
3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20?

Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
July 28 2013 14:42 GMT
#130
On July 28 2013 23:26 Smackzilla wrote:
Man, what a scrub. Can we hurry up and nerf terran already?

Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage.

A couple of things I thought were interesting:
1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do.
2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view?
3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20?

Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual.



1) Ya his DPI is incredibly low. I also play low and move my hand alot but he seems to be all over the mouse pad like you said.

2) I don't know what he was doing. Checking production? Possibly concerned about warp prism counters. Perhaps he was checking if he needed to transfer SCVs because of diminishing mineral patches in his main. Who knows. He is a Kespa robot im sure he was doing something.

3) His keyboard scroll is set very low so he was using the arrow keys to set up his location hotkeys exactly where he wanted them.
Open your heart and embrace the darkness
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#131
On July 28 2013 15:10 XtreMe_au wrote:
Haha already has 170k viewers! Nice Khaldor!


What's up with that? Khaldor has a hidden fan following we don't know about? Or is the video just being posted everywhere.

On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


Not much variation in PvT unit comp. Its either Zealot Archon or Zealot Stalker, Colossus for the most part. Its Zerg that you really need to scout their unit comp.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
ott
Profile Joined April 2011
United States74 Posts
July 28 2013 18:34 GMT
#132
things i learned from this vid
1) Awesome terran BW music is exactly 12min long
2) innovation has god like timing n end games as songs end
A truly creative person rids him or herself of self-imposed limitations. ROOT4ROOT! 'this is a strategy made of balls'- tasteless
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
July 28 2013 20:07 GMT
#133
He's not that quick he lost his formula 1 key .
In the rear with the gear!
fjjotizz
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden153 Posts
July 28 2013 20:35 GMT
#134
Inspiring play and great coverage as always Kahldor. Thanks a bunch!
"I'm a creepy guy. Tasteless, if it would make my units move faster, I would peek in everyones window in Seoul."
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 28 2013 20:40 GMT
#135
Ty for the vid!
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
July 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#136
haha i liked the "GOOD JOB" in the end.. and innovation just ignores it

GJ Khaldor and thanks!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
July 30 2013 06:17 GMT
#137
Lets go over his hotkey more. So far we know it is:

On July 27 2013 15:09 HeyImFinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 08:37 LOcDowN wrote:
What's the # hotkey setup for him? Anyone got it listed out?


1 and 2 for units
3 for rax
4 for factories
5 for Starports
6 through 0 are individual Command Centers.


For the F2 I think he does natural expansion, F3 is the bunker at natural, and F4 is where I'm unsure. Is this the main cc or is this production facility, hmmm... someone help me out
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
July 30 2013 06:21 GMT
#138
m for marine (index)
l for lift/land (thump)
also pretty standard bw control groups

I guess he was already such a bw player to swap to a more "intuitive" hotkey setup

easy win though
the throws never bothered me anyway
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
August 06 2013 00:48 GMT
#139
On July 27 2013 01:59 -niL wrote:
It's so beautiful

its Terran, the Art of Starcraft 2
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
August 06 2013 01:33 GMT
#140
What a beast.
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#121
RotterdaM1065
TKL 179
IndyStarCraft 166
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1065
TKL 175
IndyStarCraft 166
BRAT_OK 58
MindelVK 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1627
Horang2 547
BeSt 540
EffOrt 468
actioN 399
Soulkey 358
Rush 266
ggaemo 246
Larva 236
hero 129
[ Show more ]
Mong 95
JYJ 86
Sharp 70
sSak 53
soO 45
Free 40
Rock 24
Hm[arnc] 23
scan(afreeca) 23
910 23
Sexy 22
sorry 21
HiyA 17
Terrorterran 14
Dota 2
Gorgc8914
qojqva1469
XaKoH 515
Counter-Strike
fl0m1729
kRYSTAL_100
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King96
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu218
Other Games
Grubby2775
B2W.Neo775
Beastyqt572
Hui .146
ArmadaUGS117
mouzStarbuck100
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick33852
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV379
League of Legends
• Nemesis3581
Other Games
• imaqtpie468
• Shiphtur326
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 14m
Replay Cast
6h 14m
RSL Revival
15h 14m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
16h 14m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 14m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
18h 14m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
22h 14m
Dragon vs Ret
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
IPSL
1d 22h
Bonyth vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.