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fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
July 28 2013 06:14 GMT
#121
not sure if anyone has answered this yet, but is that a goliathus speed or control?
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 06:19:28
July 28 2013 06:18 GMT
#122
On July 27 2013 05:50 MaxViktory wrote:
He seems to be living in BW still. He really should have a talk with Jakatak. Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?! He had a hotkey on m/n that he used several times and some around the "ö/;"-keys that he had to hit with his thumb while holding down shift with his pinkie. So ineffective! :D I tried to play broodwar and it was like that with everything, just building an overlord took my hand over the entire keyboard.


When I almost reached gladiator as a holy paladin in WoW I had more hotkeys than I had keys on my keyboard. I ended up having to put half of them on control keys.

It's really really easy to stretch your hands at a great speed when you are used to it.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 06:24:24
July 28 2013 06:23 GMT
#123
On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times.

His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 28 2013 08:05 GMT
#124
On July 28 2013 15:23 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times.

His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball.


Don't get me wrong, I do think he scouted just enough in this specific game, and his multi-tasking skills should be good enough to intensify his scouting, when needed.

I've just seen Life's game, and realised the same thing.

Maybe it's just me, but I remember watching a few BW FPOV games where the player switches back and forth a lot from his base and the enemy's base, from start to finish (maybe it was Bisu and his intense in-base probe micro-ing). It was absolutely dizzying to watch, but impressive. Maybe these specific SC2 games are not intense enough, due to the quality of the opposition (looking at the brackets, Innovation and Life weren't exactly facing top-tier opponents in these matches). I'm not being elitist or nostalgic, but I really look forward to SC2 games being brought to the dizzying heights of BW (pun intended).
gg no re thx
Brownic
Profile Joined June 2013
Australia69 Posts
July 28 2013 11:23 GMT
#125
I love how Life plays that mobile game before his game. Perhaps it helps calm any nerves by keeping his hand busy?
We make expand, then defense it.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
July 28 2013 11:26 GMT
#126
His legs work as dissipators for such raw power.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 28 2013 11:26 GMT
#127
On July 28 2013 20:23 Brownic wrote:
I love how Life plays that mobile game before his game. Perhaps it helps calm any nerves by keeping his hand busy?

I'm guessing he just thinks it's fun.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
July 28 2013 12:16 GMT
#128
Life - CandyCrush expert
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 14:36:42
July 28 2013 14:26 GMT
#129
Man, what a scrub. Can we hurry up and nerf terran already?

Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage.

A couple of things I thought were interesting:
1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do.
2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view?
3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20?

Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
July 28 2013 14:42 GMT
#130
On July 28 2013 23:26 Smackzilla wrote:
Man, what a scrub. Can we hurry up and nerf terran already?

Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage.

A couple of things I thought were interesting:
1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do.
2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view?
3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20?

Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual.



1) Ya his DPI is incredibly low. I also play low and move my hand alot but he seems to be all over the mouse pad like you said.

2) I don't know what he was doing. Checking production? Possibly concerned about warp prism counters. Perhaps he was checking if he needed to transfer SCVs because of diminishing mineral patches in his main. Who knows. He is a Kespa robot im sure he was doing something.

3) His keyboard scroll is set very low so he was using the arrow keys to set up his location hotkeys exactly where he wanted them.
Open your heart and embrace the darkness
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#131
On July 28 2013 15:10 XtreMe_au wrote:
Haha already has 170k viewers! Nice Khaldor!


What's up with that? Khaldor has a hidden fan following we don't know about? Or is the video just being posted everywhere.

On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote:
What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!!

What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition.


Not much variation in PvT unit comp. Its either Zealot Archon or Zealot Stalker, Colossus for the most part. Its Zerg that you really need to scout their unit comp.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
ott
Profile Joined April 2011
United States74 Posts
July 28 2013 18:34 GMT
#132
things i learned from this vid
1) Awesome terran BW music is exactly 12min long
2) innovation has god like timing n end games as songs end
A truly creative person rids him or herself of self-imposed limitations. ROOT4ROOT! 'this is a strategy made of balls'- tasteless
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
July 28 2013 20:07 GMT
#133
He's not that quick he lost his formula 1 key .
In the rear with the gear!
fjjotizz
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden153 Posts
July 28 2013 20:35 GMT
#134
Inspiring play and great coverage as always Kahldor. Thanks a bunch!
"I'm a creepy guy. Tasteless, if it would make my units move faster, I would peek in everyones window in Seoul."
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 28 2013 20:40 GMT
#135
Ty for the vid!
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
July 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#136
haha i liked the "GOOD JOB" in the end.. and innovation just ignores it

GJ Khaldor and thanks!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
July 30 2013 06:17 GMT
#137
Lets go over his hotkey more. So far we know it is:

On July 27 2013 15:09 HeyImFinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 08:37 LOcDowN wrote:
What's the # hotkey setup for him? Anyone got it listed out?


1 and 2 for units
3 for rax
4 for factories
5 for Starports
6 through 0 are individual Command Centers.


For the F2 I think he does natural expansion, F3 is the bunker at natural, and F4 is where I'm unsure. Is this the main cc or is this production facility, hmmm... someone help me out
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
July 30 2013 06:21 GMT
#138
m for marine (index)
l for lift/land (thump)
also pretty standard bw control groups

I guess he was already such a bw player to swap to a more "intuitive" hotkey setup

easy win though
the throws never bothered me anyway
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
August 06 2013 00:48 GMT
#139
On July 27 2013 01:59 -niL wrote:
It's so beautiful

its Terran, the Art of Starcraft 2
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
August 06 2013 01:33 GMT
#140
What a beast.
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