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Khaldor
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Have fun with the video and make sure to subscribe to the YT Channel if you enjoy the content | ||
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Chronald
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Anyone know that model? Is that a DT35? | ||
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TwilightRain
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On July 27 2013 01:51 TRaFFiC wrote: Sick video. Anyone know what keyboard that is? Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless with blue switches. | ||
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On July 27 2013 01:59 -niL wrote: It's so beautiful you mean both his smile and his flawless play? | ||
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HammerKick
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And BW music :3 Thank you Kaldor! | ||
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dp.nox
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On July 27 2013 01:57 TwilightRain wrote: Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless with blue switches. Are you sure? I got that exact one and it has a Filco branding on the lower right (or left? I'm not at home right now XD). It's by far my favourite keyboard, but I think that's a different one - unless he removed that little badge very carefully. Maybe a Ducky or a Leopold? There's so many TKL that look extremely similar, aren't most of those manufactured by Costar anyways? That's where my KB knowledge ends... P.S. Blue Switches are obvious and before you gouge your eyes out trying to read what it says on the kb: INnoVation | ||
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alone
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On July 27 2013 02:29 dp.nox wrote: Are you sure? I got that exact one and it has a Filco branding on the lower right (or left? I'm not at home right now XD). It's by far my favourite keyboard, but I think that's a different one - unless he removed that little badge very carefully. Maybe a Ducky or a Leopold? There's so many TKL that look extremely similar, aren't most of those manufactured by Costar anyways? That's where my KB knowledge ends... P.S. Blue Switches are obvious and before you gouge your eyes out trying to read what it says on the kb: INnoVation It's Leopold FC700R. | ||
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TwilightRain
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Didn't know Leopold had tenkeyless variants, sorry. | ||
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TwilightRain
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dp.nox
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On July 27 2013 02:32 alone wrote: It's Leopold FC700R. Ah thanks! Yeah looks like it with the little LED windows on the caps cock, F5 and scroll lock keys. All right, now I gotta watch it once more looking at what he does and not stare at the keyboard XD | ||
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On July 27 2013 02:50 halim42 wrote: he use 800 dpi 2 red light on g9x=800 dpi but sc2 % i don't know someone like Khaldor knows the answer : D thanks for this video khaldor | ||
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Also, love the reaction at the end after winning..  | ||
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http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_73039.html | ||
Ragnarork
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INnoVatioN Though it doesn't seem like the fastest known APM (I believe Losira had a pretty insane rate, and for BW I think July right ?) Actions that count ! | ||
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stratmatt
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User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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dragoon
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On July 27 2013 01:46 Thinasy wrote: I saw it already, but thanks for the video. First APM Video i've bothered too watch after the Jaedong one! Great footage what jaedong one? by the way, great video khaldor thanks again! innovation is so good o.o | ||
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Rickyvalle21
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On July 27 2013 02:45 Zenbrez wrote: When he first set his natural locatiom hotkey, I was like "his drag scroll... is.. soooooooooo slowwww..". Then I watch him play and he barely ever drag scrolls, exlcusively mini map clicks and location/production hotkeys He was using the keyboard direction pad to scroll and set camera hotkey. Many Koreans do it like HerO Gumiho Select ect... | ||
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Aggnog
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On July 27 2013 02:50 halim42 wrote: he use 800 dpi 2 red light on g9x=800 dpi but sc2 % i don't know This isn't true, you can configure the dpi in setpoint to whatever values you want. | ||
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At 5:00 you can clearly see that he have at least 200 APM with his legs alone  | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:50 MaxViktory wrote: He seems to be living in BW still. He really should have a talk with Jakatak. Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?! He had a hotkey on m/n that he used several times and some around the "ö/;"-keys that he had to hit with his thumb while holding down shift with his pinkie. So ineffective! :D I tried to play broodwar and it was like that with everything, just building an overlord took my hand over the entire keyboard. "Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?" Maybe because he has them where he wants? If he would feel like it hinders him he would probably change it. It isn't really ineffective when you have used that setup for years every day and it is the only thing you know. Pressing hotkeys on the right side of the keyboard isn't really hard either when you are using more than 7/8 hotkeys and have you hand hovering around there anyway. | ||
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Zenbrez
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On July 27 2013 03:39 Rickyvalle21 wrote: He was using the keyboard direction pad to scroll and set camera hotkey. Many Koreans do it like HerO Gumiho Select ect... Yes, I know. I don't care that he was using the arrowkeys, my post had nothing to do with that. | ||
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TheSwamp
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On July 27 2013 06:30 TRaFFiC wrote: His legs are constantly moving back and fourth. Like he's living the game... Never seen anyone move like that while playing. I do that. I always thought it was weird, but I guess it just means I'm as good as Innovation | ||
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Averse
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Also, I'm not sure first person is the best title -- seems like it should be called third person.. Anyways, interesting to watch, thanks for posting it khaldor. | ||
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TheFlexN
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Now dont take what I say to the wrong place but I think that innovation has weaker micro when he is compared to other korean terran player in his caliber. I think he is the better macro player, probably the player that has the best macro when it comes to terran, or sc2 in general, but when watching his games on the streams, he wasnt as active with his forces as others are, his marine splits and storm dodging looks, to me at least, not as good as others players micro movements, I guess its because he has less experience when it comes to the "oh shit" moments in tournaments, but I do think that this can and might be a weakness that can be exploited by other players. | ||
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NihilisticGod
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first time i've ever watched one of these, saying Innovation is fucking good is fucking an understatement :D | ||
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Taefox
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On July 27 2013 04:26 VoiceSC wrote: You recording these people while they are playing their matches seems like it would be super distracting to them. Especially when you'd have to be standing over top of him to get a shot of his keyboard. he is progamer, there won't be a problem :S | ||
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GTR
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coaches don't allow recording of the monitor so this is the only solution | ||
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GaribaldiSC2
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On July 27 2013 08:41 TheFlexN wrote: I find it strange that he has hotkeys really far to the right of the keyboard and he didnt put them on the left side, closer to his controll groups. Also, I am sure that I see him clicking with his thumb too, thats really wierd. Now dont take what I say to the wrong place but I think that innovation has weaker micro when he is compared to other korean terran player in his caliber. I think he is the better macro player, probably the player that has the best macro when it comes to terran, or sc2 in general, but when watching his games on the streams, he wasnt as active with his forces as others are, his marine splits and storm dodging looks, to me at least, not as good as others players micro movements, I guess its because he has less experience when it comes to the "oh shit" moments in tournaments, but I do think that this can and might be a weakness that can be exploited by other players. It`s weird because I think Innovation`s micro is just the best in the world. No other terran has his micro management. | ||
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WombaT
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I second requests for a Bisu FPVoD, perhaps the good luck omen he needs is being filmed by Korea's most beloved German | ||
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TheSwamp
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On July 27 2013 12:07 EleanorRIgby wrote: pretty sick, does he use the standard defaukt hotkey setupÉ I'm pretty sure he uses the classic setup. he hits M to make marines rather than A. | ||
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-Kyo-
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On July 27 2013 12:50 Wombat_NI wrote: Damnit, I got beaten to the punch. I second requests for a Bisu FPVoD, perhaps the good luck omen he needs is being filmed by Korea's most beloved German There are FPVoD of Bisu, recorded from in game, of BW. I'm actually really surprised people don't use this feature more in SC2... It was done in a lot of old BW shows. I think it's one of the coolest features, being able to watch some1 play while they play, you can learn a lot of small mechanical things from it. Even if it's just for 10 seconds of each player you can just absorb a lot. | ||
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HeyImFinn
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On July 27 2013 08:37 LOcDowN wrote: What's the # hotkey setup for him? Anyone got it listed out? 1 and 2 for units 3 for rax 4 for factories 5 for Starports 6 through 0 are individual Command Centers. | ||
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Amira
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Look at the players that he recorded besides Innovation (Pls don't open the spoiler tag, because you might get a heart attack) + Show Spoiler + Bomber Flash herO Rain sOs Life Omg!! :O Khaldor rocks | ||
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On July 27 2013 15:36 Amira wrote: OT: Look at the players that he recorded besides Innovation (Pls don't open the spoiler tag, because you might get a heart attack) + Show Spoiler + Bomber Flash herO Rain sOs Life https://twitter.com/Khaldor/status/361006758740770817 Omg!! :O Khaldor rocks Wow.. KHALDOOOOR! | ||
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SirFatalx
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On July 27 2013 02:50 halim42 wrote: he use 800 dpi 2 red light on g9x=800 dpi but sc2 % i don't know This may be true but keep in mind you can also set the DPI changes on the mouse because of the on board memory options. | ||
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zhurai
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On July 27 2013 08:41 TheFlexN wrote: I find it strange that he has hotkeys really far to the right of the keyboard and he didnt put them on the left side, closer to his controll groups. Also, I am sure that I see him clicking with his thumb too, thats really wierd. Now dont take what I say to the wrong place but I think that innovation has weaker micro when he is compared to other korean terran player in his caliber. I think he is the better macro player, probably the player that has the best macro when it comes to terran, or sc2 in general, but when watching his games on the streams, he wasnt as active with his forces as others are, his marine splits and storm dodging looks, to me at least, not as good as others players micro movements, I guess its because he has less experience when it comes to the "oh shit" moments in tournaments, but I do think that this can and might be a weakness that can be exploited by other players. how is that weird at all he was a bw pro, and it was really normal to do that for them (using 1-0 like that) (especially since you can't do custom keybinds there) and then he switches to sc2 after he's used to bw, obviously he'll do settings to what he's used to (which helps with his muscle memories) reading through the whole quote.... really are you forgetting he was a kespa bw pro? o0 | ||
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TheFlexN
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On July 27 2013 17:12 zhurai wrote: how is that weird at all he was a bw pro, and it was really normal to do that for them (using 1-0 like that) (especially since you can't do custom keybinds there) and then he switches to sc2 after he's used to bw, obviously he'll do settings to what he's used to (which helps with his muscle memories) reading through the whole quote.... really are you forgetting he was a kespa bw pro? o0 I know he played BW, I was sure BW pros would change hotkeys and get used to knew ones because now they can change it to something that is more comftable. | ||
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Syn Harvest
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On July 27 2013 15:09 HeyImFinn wrote: 1 and 2 for units 3 for rax 4 for factories 5 for Starports 6 through 0 are individual Command Centers. This is pretty much what I was thinking. He does have a control group for all his command centers though he hit is quite a few times. He was on the left side of the keyboard I assume he rebound 0 or something to W probably but thats just a guess. Also he had certain buildings hotkeyed at times. the ghost academy, ebays and armory to be certain. I couldn't figure out which key it was though because he only used it a hanful of times. | ||
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On July 27 2013 17:54 TheFlexN wrote: I know he played BW, I was sure BW pros would change hotkeys and get used to knew ones because now they can change it to something that is more comftable. his point is that it is more comfortable that way. i've done the same for the last 3 years of sc2 having heavy use of 6-0 | ||
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reps)Defi
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if he has only 2 hotkeys for units, how he controls mmm + vikings + ghost in the late tvp? using vikings in the same hotkey with mmm? | ||
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ZenithM
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Like, "who do you think I am?" | ||
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On July 27 2013 17:54 TheFlexN wrote: I know he played BW, I was sure BW pros would change hotkeys and get used to knew ones because now they can change it to something that is more comftable. What is most comfortable is probably similar to what he's been practicing for x amount of years as a BW pro. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as in if he was able to use those "uncomfortable" key bindings and reach the level of a pro BW player, I'm sure it's not seriously hindering his gameplay or skill which is what they are most concerned with. | ||
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TheFlexN
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On July 27 2013 20:24 SupLilSon wrote: What is most comfortable is probably similar to what he's been practicing for x amount of years as a BW pro. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as in if he was able to use those "uncomfortable" key bindings and reach the level of a pro BW player, I'm sure it's not seriously hindering his gameplay or skill which is what they are most concerned with. I guess you are right, its probably muscle memory at this point. | ||
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SpiZe
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His legs must be tired after a game. Yes his legs, just look at them god dammit ! | ||
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Syn Harvest
United States191 Posts
On July 27 2013 20:00 reps)Defi wrote: hi, great video, thx! if he has only 2 hotkeys for units, how he controls mmm + vikings + ghost in the late tvp? using vikings in the same hotkey with mmm? He probably doesn't hotkey them. Mvp aslo only uses 2 hotkeys for his army | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:25 Harajuku wrote: this video was linked on Kotaku, thats why it has so many views lol. Finally doing something good for once. | ||
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On July 27 2013 14:46 -Kyo- wrote: There are FPVoD of Bisu, recorded from in game, of BW. I'm actually really surprised people don't use this feature more in SC2... It was done in a lot of old BW shows. I think it's one of the coolest features, being able to watch some1 play while they play, you can learn a lot of small mechanical things from it. Even if it's just for 10 seconds of each player you can just absorb a lot. Yeah, but I hate the observer smoothing effect they stick on replays, segueing into a little of each players feed is great, saw a game of Jaedong vs Bisu where this was used wonderfully. So many of my friends love FP cuts etc, sad that MLG stopped having those feeds  | ||
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On July 28 2013 06:21 Havik_ wrote: What I'm surprised with is that he uses MX blues. I'd wager he'd be even faster on browns. Blue is lighter isn't it? Red switch is even lighter than blue though. | ||
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TheSwamp
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On July 28 2013 06:27 tuho12345 wrote: Blue is lighter isn't it? Red switch is even lighter than blue though. Browns are just Blues without the bump/trigger IIRC. Edit: Speaking of Blues it's crazy how little he bottoms out in the beginning of the video. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:50 MaxViktory wrote: He seems to be living in BW still. He really should have a talk with Jakatak. Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?! He had a hotkey on m/n that he used several times and some around the "ö/;"-keys that he had to hit with his thumb while holding down shift with his pinkie. So ineffective! :D I tried to play broodwar and it was like that with everything, just building an overlord took my hand over the entire keyboard. Well, just because it's ineffective and uncomfortable for you...Doesn't mean anything. | ||
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What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition. | ||
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Figgy
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On July 27 2013 05:50 MaxViktory wrote: He seems to be living in BW still. He really should have a talk with Jakatak. Why would you have hotkeys on the other end of the keyboard when you can put them whereever you want?! He had a hotkey on m/n that he used several times and some around the "ö/;"-keys that he had to hit with his thumb while holding down shift with his pinkie. So ineffective! :D I tried to play broodwar and it was like that with everything, just building an overlord took my hand over the entire keyboard. When I almost reached gladiator as a holy paladin in WoW I had more hotkeys than I had keys on my keyboard. I ended up having to put half of them on control keys. It's really really easy to stretch your hands at a great speed when you are used to it. | ||
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Figgy
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On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote: What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!! What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition. He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times. His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:23 Figgy wrote: He scanned the main once and he did have a reaper running around his base. It's not like his composition was really ever in question once the warp prisms starting coming without the DTs, he also constantly scouted the 3rd base timing which is how he was able to deny it so swiftly so many times. His scouting was pretty much extremely on the ball. Don't get me wrong, I do think he scouted just enough in this specific game, and his multi-tasking skills should be good enough to intensify his scouting, when needed. I've just seen Life's game, and realised the same thing. Maybe it's just me, but I remember watching a few BW FPOV games where the player switches back and forth a lot from his base and the enemy's base, from start to finish (maybe it was Bisu and his intense in-base probe micro-ing). It was absolutely dizzying to watch, but impressive. Maybe these specific SC2 games are not intense enough, due to the quality of the opposition (looking at the brackets, Innovation and Life weren't exactly facing top-tier opponents in these matches). I'm not being elitist or nostalgic, but I really look forward to SC2 games being brought to the dizzying heights of BW (pun intended). | ||
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On July 28 2013 20:23 Brownic wrote: I love how Life plays that mobile game before his game. Perhaps it helps calm any nerves by keeping his hand busy? I'm guessing he just thinks it's fun. | ||
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Smackzilla
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Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage. A couple of things I thought were interesting: 1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do. 2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view? 3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20? Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual. | ||
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Syn Harvest
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On July 28 2013 23:26 Smackzilla wrote: Man, what a scrub. Can we hurry up and nerf terran already? Seriously, though, soooo impressive. I always feel daunted seeing stuff like that. I really wish tournaments would set up a fixed cam and mic for just such shots. Not for all matches, but I think the semis and finals could justify such footage. A couple of things I thought were interesting: 1) He's using a lot of real estate on that mousepad. Assuming the monitor is at 1080p, I'd guess he's at like 600 DPI. I'm playing at 800 and it seems like he's using a greater range than I do. 2) I'm surprised to see him go back to his main base cam late in the game (e.g. 9:40 video time). Is he just checking production with that view? 3) WTF did he do with the arrow keys at 2:20? Thanks Khaldor, great work as usual. 1) Ya his DPI is incredibly low. I also play low and move my hand alot but he seems to be all over the mouse pad like you said. 2) I don't know what he was doing. Checking production? Possibly concerned about warp prism counters. Perhaps he was checking if he needed to transfer SCVs because of diminishing mineral patches in his main. Who knows. He is a Kespa robot im sure he was doing something. 3) His keyboard scroll is set very low so he was using the arrow keys to set up his location hotkeys exactly where he wanted them. | ||
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Havik_
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On July 28 2013 15:10 XtreMe_au wrote: Haha already has 170k viewers! Nice Khaldor! What's up with that? Khaldor has a hidden fan following we don't know about? Or is the video just being posted everywhere. On July 28 2013 14:18 RKC wrote: What impresses me: Innovation's mechanics and multi-tasking... and BW music!!! What depresses me (a little): Maybe it's the current state of TvP meta, his sheer confidence, or the quality of his opponent (who was he?), but I realised he doesn't really scout much mid to late game. All he did was scan the 3rd base. He didn't seem overly concerned of the Protoss' unit composition. Not much variation in PvT unit comp. Its either Zealot Archon or Zealot Stalker, Colossus for the most part. Its Zerg that you really need to scout their unit comp. | ||
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1) Awesome terran BW music is exactly 12min long 2) innovation has god like timing n end games as songs end | ||
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GJ Khaldor and thanks! | ||
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LOcDowN
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On July 27 2013 15:09 HeyImFinn wrote: 1 and 2 for units 3 for rax 4 for factories 5 for Starports 6 through 0 are individual Command Centers. For the F2 I think he does natural expansion, F3 is the bunker at natural, and F4 is where I'm unsure. Is this the main cc or is this production facility, hmmm... someone help me out | ||
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peidongyang
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l for lift/land (thump) also pretty standard bw control groups I guess he was already such a bw player to swap to a more "intuitive" hotkey setup easy win though | ||
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On July 27 2013 01:59 -niL wrote: It's so beautiful its Terran, the Art of Starcraft 2 | ||
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