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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
June 29 2013 14:27 GMT
#101
hmh that's too bad. i liked STX as a team. They had a great tradition.
Broodwar for life!
Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
June 29 2013 14:33 GMT
#102
time for KESPA Team 7?
kinda sad, as things really point towards disbanding the team. Let's hope it turns out well for the players (including the lovely Tossgirl, thank you very much for the link to the model pictures. Awwwww~)
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
June 29 2013 14:34 GMT
#103
The only thing relevant in this thread is

Tossgirl
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
June 29 2013 14:41 GMT
#104
I think it is more beneficial for the korean sc2 scene at this time to have one teamleague to have all of the sc2 talent in one league than divided into 2 leagues.it will bring,more viewers,sponsors and interest if the teams merge.If you wanna have like 2 leagues you could have one major one and one lets say amateur one from which teams can qualify to the major league.Sort of a code a-code s type of thing
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 29 2013 14:42 GMT
#105
Well, I hope they can win a PL then.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 14:45:37
June 29 2013 14:42 GMT
#106
oh, and I was also reminded about something ironic: In one of the recent SC2 talk shows the guys talked about how KESPA teams were so much more financially secure because they have big name corporations behind the team, and not just sponsors they gather like the eSF teams. Turns out no one is safe.
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 29 2013 14:43 GMT
#107
I feel like there's a general misconception in this thread about the role of debt in a corporation. The fact is, probably 95% of business are funded in part through debt. And this isn't a bad thing.

The problem isn't that the company has debt on the books. Most do. Likely, the problem is that the cash flow of the company was insufficient to make the debt payments. This is a different thing. Now I don't know the specifics of STX's troubles as I haven't looked at the financial statements, I'm just saying this because it seems like there's a misunderstanding about the role of debt in corporations.
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Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
June 29 2013 14:56 GMT
#108
While I read the posts regarding STX when the rumors started.. I would like some cheerful news on TL once in awhile, feels like the last couple of months has been depressing overall "sigh"
Jaedong & Faker
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
June 29 2013 14:58 GMT
#109
Ahaha. This is my team 'verybudy.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 29 2013 15:01 GMT
#110
On June 29 2013 23:43 cam connor wrote:
I feel like there's a general misconception in this thread about the role of debt in a corporation. The fact is, probably 95% of business are funded in part through debt. And this isn't a bad thing.

The problem isn't that the company has debt on the books. Most do. Likely, the problem is that the cash flow of the company was insufficient to make the debt payments. This is a different thing. Now I don't know the specifics of STX's troubles as I haven't looked at the financial statements, I'm just saying this because it seems like there's a misunderstanding about the role of debt in corporations.


I explained this in the other thread and people kinda ignored me lol

Can't jump to conclusions about this bankruptcy unless we get to see the financial statements.
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aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
June 29 2013 15:03 GMT
#111
The strongest evidence for this is probably just the fact that (for whatever reason) the rumor got started, and STX didn't immediately deny it. If your team was doing fine, and there was a rumor going around it was about to expand, it would be in your interest to kill that rumor very quickly.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 15:40:07
June 29 2013 15:20 GMT
#112
Save SC while we still can!

I think we need to begin to face the fact that SC2 as an epsort game is simply lacking some areas. I was watching SC2 MLG last night and keep hearing the crowds cheers from the other sections, so I decided to watch some LOL seriously for the first time, just to see why it has succeed in the shadows of BW whereas SC2, the rightful heir is fading away.

And the conclusion is - hope!

In competitions, hope is a powerful incentive that keeps the fans on their toes and stops players from giving up. In almost every LOL battle, there is always hope at the end of it that the losing team can still win the war, and for the victorious, there is hope that they will capitalise the advantage and wins the game.

Now let's go back to the state of SC2 today. Around 80% of the game I watch follows this pattern: Player build up their deathballs*, deathballs meet, one of them wins and usually with >40% of their army alive (imho it's due to perfect AI combined with fast pace game play but that's for anther debate), and here is where hope ends in SC2. I am not saying you cannot come back from this spot, but for anyone that watches Pro SC2 regularly, we all know that the chances are close to impossible. Sadly. most of the time our instinct is correct and the loser will just roll-over and dies. Sure, someone will probably bring up examples of games where players do come back from a deficit, but that is a scarce occurrence in today's SC2.

Without hope, players gives up after that first "Deathball v Deathball" encounter. Fans lose interests too because they know the result will likely to be the same as the other 9000+ "Deathball v Deathball" encounters they've watched. Evidence of players giving up includes the now extremely common Deathball battle -> GG. And for the viewers, you just need to see the amount of "lol GG" "ouch that's bad, GG" comments right after the first battle.

/rant

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The threshold for a deathball army varies depending on which stage of the game we are at. But under most scenarios, deathball = ~90% of your current army supply.

gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2603 Posts
June 29 2013 15:22 GMT
#113
So if you have a zealot and a sentry, is that a deathball?
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
June 29 2013 15:26 GMT
#114
Watch a bunch of foreigners, conclude all of SC2 is still about deathballs. Fascinating.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
June 29 2013 15:29 GMT
#115
isn't it just one division of STX that's operating at a loss? one. of a most likely multi-billion dollar corporation.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 29 2013 15:30 GMT
#116
On June 30 2013 00:22 gobbledydook wrote:
So if you have a zealot and a sentry, is that a deathball?

Don't worry about that post, it mades little sense concerning this topic.

Also, I'm sorry to hear this, but I think we should all remember that this is in backlash of a sponsor falling through economically rather than the team not being useful at driving revenue. I wish all the players the best .

Sidenote, why couldn't proleague continue if STX disbands and reforms under new names or under a new team name?
User was warned for too many mimes.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
June 29 2013 15:33 GMT
#117
Comparing those games at an event like MLG is somewhat silly, because the potential for both titles is obviously not even nearly being reached at those events. If you would have to compare, at least do it at Korean level, where both games truly shine (equally IMO)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 29 2013 15:39 GMT
#118
I wouldn't view this as a bad thing. When Team 8, Azubu, STX announce their collapse officially there will be more push to put the 12/13 teams together in one PL where GOM/OGN/SOPA will work in unison. That would almost be a throw back to when we had 12 teams in PL and that would be a good thing. As much as I like STX not everything is meant to last forever and a lot of those players should be able to find teams relatively fast.
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
June 29 2013 15:42 GMT
#119
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 29 2013 15:42 GMT
#120
And the story of how the economic crisis saved ESF against kespa begun.
Joking aside, that's really worrying news.
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