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Interview with STX_INnoVation

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Interview with STX_INnoVation

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byshiroiusagi
June 24th, 2013 18:05 GMT

Thanks to Blizzard Korea, we got an opportunity to conduct an extended interview with WCS Season 1 Champion, Lee (T)"STX_INnoVation" Shin Hyung. We talked to him about his lengthy Brood War career, his thoughts on his 'best in the world' status, and how he felt about some of his rivals in StarCraft II.



TeamLiquid: How did you first come to play StarCraft?

Innovation: At the beginning I was just playing it a bit as a hobby. When I was in seventh grade, I saw progamers playing it on television, and started thinking that I should become a progamer. I liked Nada in particular, back then.

When did you first feel that you had talent for the game?

It wasn't that I judged I had talent in games, but I thought that gaming was more suitable to me than studies. But I was pretty good at StarCraft and other games when I was in school.

How long did it take from when you decided you wanted to be a progamer until you became one?

About two years, from when I joined the house and I became a pro.

Was your family against it when you said you wanted to be a progamer, or did they support you?

After I made the decision about my future together with my family in seventh grade, my father continued to give me a lot of support and help.

Even being the eldest son among seven siblings, there wasn't any resistance?

No, my family thought that I should go in the direction that I had talent.

You played Brood War for about 4~5 years as a pro, what do you think looking back at those days?

I was a practice partner, I think it was a stage where I was bringing up my skill level. It was a good foundation going into Heart of the Swarm.

How about your results in BW? Are you satisfied?

I'm not really satisfied, I just think it was part of the process of growing as a player.

But you did do alright, people called you a hot prospect, and you were STX's ace at certain points.

Yes, but that was just a flash in the pan. That's not enough to gain recognition, and it's not like I did particularly well in individual leagues. I just think of it as a period where I briefly played well.

When you first had to play StarCraft II professionally for the hybrid-proleague, what was your impression of the game?

It felt like approaching the game for the first time again. Because everyone was in the same situation at that time, I felt like I could do well if worked hard.

Did you feel that SC2 was more or less suited to you at the time?

At the beginning, the graphics being so different made it hard to adjust... I think up to WoL it was a period of adjustment, and starting in HotS I started feeling the game was better suited to me.

You started off the hybrid league with a 0 – 7 record in StarCraft II matches. Did that discourage you?

I was very good in practice at that time, better than most other players and I had a lot of confidence, but I think that led to me playing too safe in broadcast games, and I couldn't get good results. But I did have the confidence that I could be good eventually.

[image loading]Innovation bathes in what we can only imagine is the blood of his opponents.
Any particular reasons StarCraft II has been better for you? What was holding you back in Brood War?

Production is easier, and I think it's a game based around micro and big engagements. Also, multi-tasking is a bit easier, so you can be more aggressive.

Since I'm a player who is very mechanics based, and I was very lacking in strategic and finesse elements in Brood War, StarCraft II has helped me in that regard. Players with good mechanics and fundamentals can put themselves in good situations, the game being fast paced and all.

What do you think the problem is for the players who can't make their BW skill translate to SC2 skill?

The players who had their primes in Brood War have been playing for a very long time, and they're getting old. I feel maybe it's because they don't have the same drive, or their handspeed just hasn't kept up.

But you could be considered a player who has played for a long time as well, playing your first official matches in 2008. Don't you have any problems staying motivated?

In my case, I wasn't enjoying playing the game when I was playing Brood War. In StarCraft II I'm playing in more matches, getting results, and placing high in individual leagues, so now I'm really enjoying it.

Any particular reasons you didn't enjoy playing during Brood War? You were a first-team regular in Proleague even then.

Yes, but in Brood War, I just didn't have much passion, and I was living a pretty dull daily life – I think I was just really discontent back then.

StarCraft II, the speed, the graphics I think make it a bit more fun, and just doing well in individual leagues and advancing through them is fun for me.

What about HotS let you go up one more level from WoL?

Using widow mines in TvZ instead of tanks, alongside the afterburner medivacs, let me play a fast paced game, which has been a great thing for me.

You're doing well with Terran, which has a pretty different identity in SC2 than BW. Does it make you think that maybe you could have done better with a different race in BW?

I haven't thought about that for Brood War, but during WoL I did think sometimes that if I had played Zerg I could have done well.

You changed your ID from Bogus to Innovation. What was the reason for that change?

When I was watching a K-Drama a while back, one of the companies in the show had the word Innovation in its name, and I thought it sounded cool. Also, I wanted to change things up in StarCraft II, so I came to change my ID.

Oddly enough, your play isn't particularly 'innovative' or unorthodox. Don't you think that's odd?

I don't think my ID and gamestyle have any relationship. I'm a simple guy, so I'm not good at doing a variety of different plays, and I'm just playing based on my mechanics.

You reached the quarter-finals and semis a few times in WoL. Were you nervous then, or were you always calm and collected?

I was surprisingly relaxed in the GomTV booth. Playing a lot of games there, I got a lot of broadcast experience, and I think that led to good things for me. These days I don't get that nervous, and I didn't really get nervous back then either.

Did that feeling change when you played in your first final?

I thought that I'd get nervous playing in my first final, but once I was actually sitting there, it was just the same as usual.

When you lost after being up 3 – 0 against Soulkey, the fans speculated about the reason. That you choked, or that something else happened... What was the reason in your opinion?

When I was winning 3 – 0 I was feeling too giddy, and I couldn't calm myself down until it was all over.

By the time you got to game seven, did you feel like you were up against a wall? Or were you able regain your composure by then?

I wasn't able to find my composure until after game seven ended. I had become withdrawn mentally, and I played poorly as a result.

There was a really long break between games three and four, where it seemed like Soulkey was able to collect himself. Do you think a long break between games six and seven could have helped you?

Looking back at it now, I just didn't handle the situation well. I think I was just destined to lose.

The key moment in that game was when your drop got caught by Soulkey's mutalisks. Could you walk us through that sequence?

I had confirmed the mutas with my viking, but my mind wasn't just all there. So I didn't even really know what I was doing when I put my troops in the medivacs and activated the afterburners. I was just out of it.

You also showed weaknesses in general to all-in play from Zerg throughout last season. What do you think about that?

I've lost a lot to my opponent's all-in rushes in the past and that's continuing even recently. I think to myself that I can stop those attacks but I keep getting busted – it's something I have to shore up.

So in practice, you can usually defend against those attacks?

Yes, it does depend on who's the one executing the all-in. I do stop the attacks in practice, but in broadcast games players bring really refined builds, so they were stronger than what I expected.

When you plan out a multi-game series, do you usually do that yourself? Or does the team's coaching staff help a lot?

I've always preferred working alone, so in most cases I just prepare by myself.

[image loading]Innovation in a rare overseas appearance at MLG.
A lot of people are calling you the best player in the world after you won the Season One finals. What do you think about that title?

I'm not so sure about that yet. I just think of myself as the Season One champion, that's all.

Then who is the best player in the world, outside yourself?

I don't think there's one player to pick, everyone seems similar. There are so many good players with even levels of skill, so it's difficult to just pick one person.

A lot of people like to compare you to Flash. What do you think about that comparison?

Our styles are pretty similar, and Flash is a really good player, so I just think we naturally come to be compared.

Is there a player you could call your rival?

There's no one I can single out as my rival, but if I had to pick someone, I'd have to go with Flash because he is very good, and we play the same race. It will be important to see who places higher in this Starleague.

Anyone you would like to face in this Starleague?

If I had the opportunity to pick someone, I would consider picking Life.

You already beat him once, in the previous group of death. Is that not enough?

Then, both of us weren't playing that well. If possible, I want to face him again, properly.

Actually, Life lost to two foreigners at DreamHack: Summer. What did you think about that result?

I didn't really care.

You said in another interview that you need to win at least three tournaments before you can say that you are 'good.' How did you come to have such a high standard?

At first, I thought that one championship would be enough to be call myself a good player, and be called a good player by others. But after winning a championship, I didn't really feel anything, so I think I have to keep winning.

You also said that you felt your skill level has gone down a bit after winning. What happened?

I felt personally that after I won the championship, I didn't get as much practice. But it's not like it was big drop in skill, I still think I'm at a good level.

It seems like a lot of players have trouble balancing individual leagues and Proleague. How do you handle it?

In Proleague, the opponent you face and the way you prepare counts for a lot, so I think with a certain level of skill, anyone can do well in Proleague.

I place a little more focus on the Proleague. In individual leagues, your bracket luck and condition on match days has to be good for you to progress.

What do you think STX Soul's chances are at winning the Proleague season right now?

I think around 20%?

What do you think about the overall state of the game? Balance is good?

Yes, right now all the races are active at the top tier of competition. The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now.

There's word that the Hellbat might get nerfed. Players like Flash have said that this is a change that must not be made. What are your thoughts?

I don't put much weight in Hellbats outside of TvT. And that's a mirror, so it doesn't really matter there. I think I'd be fine in other match-ups even with a nerf.

Don't you think TvT has become a bit boring, because it's too hellbat-drop oriented?

No, it's fun for me. Because both players are so busy, exchanging blows with each other.

You've been to IPL and MLG. How have those experiences been for you?

Just, I consider it as my first time in America? I don't think I gained anything in particular from it. There's always something on the schedule, it felt like I was playing games constantly until I had to leave.

A lot of other players say they were impressed by the foreign audiences, at least.

I don't really notice to the reactions of other people... The audience did seem more passionate than in Korea, but I'm not the type to pay attention to that.

Then you don't have particular interest in competing in more foreign tournaments?

The importance of foreign tournaments has gone down a bit. I don't have any special desire to go. I think focusing on WCS is the best plan, although it would be nice to compete abroad if there was an opportunity. But my desire to specifically go to foreign tournaments has gone down some.

You gained a lot of popularity and fans from winning WCS Season One. How do you feel about that then?

I don't have much desire for popularity or things like that, and I don't really like showing myself to others, so I don't really know right now.

So your main goal then, all it is is winning championships?

Just always standing at the highest spot.

sOs mentioned that he checks out community forums in between games to see what people are saying. Do you do that too?

I don't really read the forums that much. I don't think I have anything to gain from reading people's reactions to me.

Isn't it nice though, to read praise when you've played a good game?

It does feel good, but I don't think that will help me in terms of playing the game itself.

A lot of foreign players say they at least make sure to rewatch the games they've won. How about you?

I do watch my games, just the ones I won.

Some players like to keep up on a lot of tournaments, whether they're Korean or international. How about you? Do you watch a lot of games?

I almost don't watch at all, besides some specific players I want to watch. I don't even know where to watch international tournaments – it's not my style to watch a lot of games.

You placed second in Code S, and won the championship at the Season One finals. Which one did you want to win more?

The Season Finals had a bigger scale, so I wanted that one more.

When you're not playing the game, what are your hobbies?

I like to go on walks, and these days I'm playing badminton with my teammates.

What do you think about when you go on walks? Is it still all StarCraft?

I just do it to clear out my head, and for my health. I don't think about the game much when I'm not playing it.

Any media you like? TV shows or movies?

No, I don't like TV or movies that much.

Who are you friendly with on the team? Who do you hang out with?

I like all my teammates, but I'm hanging out a lot with coach Calm lately.

Anything you'd like the fans to know about you?

No, nothing, in particular.

Nothing?

Uh, not really.

Any final comments to your fans then? To the ones overseas?

My foreign fans really seem to like me and care about me. This Season One Final championship isn't the end. I can keep winning, and I will work hard to become a player that can win the Blizzcon finals at the end of the year.


Interview: Waxangel
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photos: GomTV and Silverfire
Editor: Waxangel
Special Thanks: Blizzard Korea and Jeong Seung Hyun
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 24 2013 18:07 GMT
#2
Awesome interview ty Waxy
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:25:01
June 24 2013 18:11 GMT
#3
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..

btw he is really really really boring -.-"
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
June 24 2013 18:13 GMT
#4
Wow he is the most boring person ever. Makes sense he is amazing because his own play is literally the only thing he cares about
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 24 2013 18:15 GMT
#5
doesnt like tv or movies, likes to go on walks instead

1 in a million
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18396 Posts
June 24 2013 18:15 GMT
#6
Is it just me or does he sound kinda dull?

He doesn't even care about his fans at all. o.O Walking is one of his hobbies.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
June 24 2013 18:16 GMT
#7
I like this guy, calm and honest.
XiaoXiaoo
Profile Joined October 2012
Switzerland20 Posts
June 24 2013 18:17 GMT
#8
Geez innovation's almost a bit too modest i feel..
GudulesmSC2
Profile Joined May 2013
102 Posts
June 24 2013 18:19 GMT
#9
Anything you'd like the fans to know about you?

No, nothing, in particular.

Nothing?


Uh, not really.


That part cracked me up xD
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 24 2013 18:20 GMT
#10
So boring T_T

On June 25 2013 03:13 hyptonic wrote:
Wow he is the most boring person ever. Makes sense he is amazing because his own play is literally the only thing he cares about


This assessment is fairly accurate, I feel
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blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
June 24 2013 18:21 GMT
#11
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..


Overrated? He may not be the best player in the world (I think he is) but it's really hard to argue that he isn't at least top three.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
June 24 2013 18:22 GMT
#12
You know how we say not all Koreans are faceless? Well, uh... some are.
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b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
June 24 2013 18:22 GMT
#13
As expected, he gave a 100% genuine 'STX Soul' interview Trolololol
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
June 24 2013 18:22 GMT
#14
This guy is actually a machine haha. Love this interview.
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krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
June 24 2013 18:23 GMT
#15
Well he doesn't have to impress by personality I guess
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 24 2013 18:23 GMT
#16
Sick interview, awesome to see what bogus had to say.

And poor Life if he gets in bogus's Ro16 group :D
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 24 2013 18:25 GMT
#17
Thanks for the interview!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
June 24 2013 18:25 GMT
#18
Oh god he is the definition of robot o.O like a poster child for those who say Koreans have no personality xD

Though I do like that he is straight up and honest about not caring etc. and he is an amazing player so go go Bogus(I refuse to call him Innovation..)
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
June 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#19
Innovation seems very introverted. Thanks for the interview
HanSomPa
Profile Joined December 2012
United States87 Posts
June 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#20
I can respect Innovation. Has his head in the game.
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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 24 2013 18:27 GMT
#21
It seems he doesn't care about anything, anytime at all. :D
I like that his answers seem so honest and no standard blah blah about how he appreciates everyone and everything...

What was new to me, is that he didn't enjoy BW. I always thought, he loved the game and could be considered a very good player from 2010 onwards...
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
June 24 2013 18:27 GMT
#22
This guy leads a really one-dimensional lifestyle.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Yemaka
Profile Joined May 2012
Denmark44 Posts
June 24 2013 18:27 GMT
#23
About time a sc2 player just told the truth about fans.

Love him for it!

And can't wait to watch him win this starleague!
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Gben592
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom281 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#24
Ha! Guys a robot!

Great guy, really really chilled :o
"The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now." INnoVation
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:50:49
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#25
He likes Nada! Figures <3. He's so laid back. Love the attitude.
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Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#26
Hell of a player and I love the cold shoulder to the fans haha. He is like - I am not kissing anyone's ass to like me or not.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#27
InnoVation is inside of Grumpycat I think
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djballs
Profile Joined December 2012
United States2 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#28
This isn't that shocking. He comes across as very focused on sc2 and not much else. I hope we don't get drowned in an "INnoVation is boring!" wave of backlash....
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:29:18
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#29
Not sure if a lot was lost in translation or whatever, but he comes across as kind of aloof, and a bit of a jerk. Somewhat disappointing and just another faceless Korean player =/
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Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
June 24 2013 18:29 GMT
#30
On June 25 2013 03:13 hyptonic wrote:
Wow he is the most boring person ever. Makes sense he is amazing because his own play is literally the only thing he cares about

Yeah my impression exactly. He sounds pretty detached from the world, only to find joy in slaying zerg after zerg xD
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garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
June 24 2013 18:29 GMT
#31
Wow, that interview must have been like pulling teeth...
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#32
Lee Shin Hyung is... The World's Most Boring Man.

"I don't always play Starcraft, but when I don't, I don't think about anything."
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#33
He seems very focused on the game right now,he doesn't care about anything else,he's like a robot.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
June 24 2013 18:31 GMT
#34
He is a total machine -.- Not a single tv show or movie...doesnt really watch other players, just likes to go on walks. What a guy.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
June 24 2013 18:32 GMT
#35
stop being judgemental on this guy
to be truely successful in one area, you have to sacrifice something!
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
June 24 2013 18:34 GMT
#36
Wow, I didn't think he was like this. It's weird he finds SC2 more fun than BW. At least his staleness results in him being very good at StarCraft.
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
June 24 2013 18:36 GMT
#37
On June 25 2013 03:32 SpecialistSc wrote:
stop being judgemental on this guy
to be truely successful in one area, you have to sacrifice something!


Indeed. A lot of people who do manage to succeed and be the best at what they do tend to be quite boring characters. Good thing for them is that successful people usually get money so in their 30's they can go have freedom and enjoy life in the tropics and sleep next to some cute brown skill girls everynight :D Sacrifices can pay off very nicely
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
June 24 2013 18:36 GMT
#38
On June 25 2013 03:15 teddyoojo wrote:
doesnt like tv or movies, likes to go on walks instead

1 in a million

can't you hear the fangirls go: ohhh, he's sooo romantic?

nice interview thanks wax.
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Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
June 24 2013 18:37 GMT
#39
Just gained even more respect for him than I already had. Being the best at something means putting your everything into it and not getting distracted. Some people may find that boring, but to me it shows an impressive degree of focus and mental fortitude.
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Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
June 24 2013 18:40 GMT
#40
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ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
June 24 2013 18:41 GMT
#41
Awesome interview with an incredible player, I wish we got more of these.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
June 24 2013 18:44 GMT
#42
The guy seems focused on the game like no one else, good for him.
Great player deserves respect.
To bad he's also utterly boring Sorry but a bit of flare would be nice.
bosnia
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada223 Posts
June 24 2013 18:45 GMT
#43
nice interview !!
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
June 24 2013 18:45 GMT
#44
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:


btw he is really really really boring -.-"


I previously thought interviews like this was just the result of Kespa influence but now I'm not so sure...
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
June 24 2013 18:47 GMT
#45
Thanks for this.

Didn't really let us know much of anything about the person Innovation. Still, he's always enjoyable to watch.
Flash | Mvp
Gorribal
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Canada186 Posts
June 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#46
On June 25 2013 03:16 mechengineer123 wrote:
I like this guy, calm and honest.

Yea, I guess he's not interesting enough for the fancy tastes of TLers -_-
"PartinG keeps touching us and groping us (laughs)." - Rain
Houron
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97 Posts
June 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#47
I'm loving this Bogus coverage! <3 Innovation!!!
Give me something to shoot!
Flowsick
Profile Joined June 2011
Estonia234 Posts
June 24 2013 18:50 GMT
#48
Surprisingly dull interview, though it makes sense to see him focus almost entirely only on improving his own play. No distractions and all that.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
June 24 2013 18:51 GMT
#49
Good interview. Seems like a passionate guy. ;-)
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 24 2013 18:52 GMT
#50
Should change his ID to INtroVersion
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breakit
Profile Joined May 2013
United States29 Posts
June 24 2013 18:53 GMT
#51
He didn't feel anything after winning WCS season 1? What the hell is he expecting from his next tournament wins then? What does he even care about? He says he doesn't care what fans think of him, he doesn't look for attention, and he doesn't feel anything when he wins the biggest tournament in SC2 right now. He played Brood war not because he liked it but because he thought he'd get good at it.. seems like the exact same thing for SC2.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
June 24 2013 18:54 GMT
#52
These answers are totally Bogus...
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-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:56:44
June 24 2013 18:55 GMT
#53
Edit: NVM
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:57:57
June 24 2013 18:57 GMT
#54
His interview skills are almost on the level of midas...
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 24 2013 19:00 GMT
#55
awesome player and it's great that TL got to do an interview with him. but that was really boring lol
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
sacade
Profile Joined January 2013
166 Posts
June 24 2013 19:01 GMT
#56
no question about cake's girl
it would have been interesting to know how much he doesn't care about cakes and about girls.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 24 2013 19:02 GMT
#57
Holy hell
He really is a kespa cyborg in the end then.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 24 2013 19:03 GMT
#58
great interview
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
June 24 2013 19:04 GMT
#59
Man of few words...
zSnowy
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom51 Posts
June 24 2013 19:05 GMT
#60
100% boring. :/ Makes sense that he's so good mechanically as he seems to be mechanical himself. o.0
gkts
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany56 Posts
June 24 2013 19:05 GMT
#61
The machine knows how to speak ._.
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:06:12
June 24 2013 19:05 GMT
#62
Interesting that he prefers SC2 over BW. Innovation has the mentality of a winner, doesn't care about fans or anything else, only cares about the game and winning his matches. We should respect him for that, or is the community really so self-important that everyone here thinks progamers have some obligation to love us (the fans)?
Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
June 24 2013 19:07 GMT
#63
Lol the fact that he's so boring made this interview kinda funny.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:07:20
June 24 2013 19:07 GMT
#64
Love it. F the theatrics. Great mindset and dedication to his craft! Go InnovatioN!
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Typhoon1789
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia292 Posts
June 24 2013 19:09 GMT
#65
100% dedication to SCII to the point where he thinks of nothing else and dose nothing else cannot be good for mental health.
Professional Cunt.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
June 24 2013 19:10 GMT
#66
He is actually far more interisting that the typical insecure idiot who enjoys watching retarded sitcom and jacking off to fan's praise after a won game.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
June 24 2013 19:10 GMT
#67
And just when you thought there could not be a duller person than Flash, a new talent rises. Maybe it´s part of terran mechanics to be a total bore.
w3jjjj
Profile Joined April 2007
United States760 Posts
June 24 2013 19:12 GMT
#68
The only thing he cares about is his game, nothing else matters, that is passion.
Chuck Norris can salvage his opponent's structures.
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
June 24 2013 19:12 GMT
#69
He seems to be rather cold and mechanical. Well, theres nothing wrong with it i guess
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
June 24 2013 19:13 GMT
#70
On June 25 2013 04:10 Daswollvieh wrote:
And just when you thought there could not be a duller person than Flash, a new talent rises. Maybe it´s part of terran mechanics to be a total bore.


Marineking/Bomber would like to have a word with you.
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
June 24 2013 19:17 GMT
#71
confirmed to be a heartless robot.
Liquipedia
Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
June 24 2013 19:18 GMT
#72
Not being silly/hyperactive/bm ≠ boring.
Yeay, INnoVation! Not my favorite player but the interview makes me like him quite a bit more ^^
biaxiong
Profile Joined March 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:22:01
June 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#73
Where's the Cakegirl question?

You have a meeting with a certain fan, Cakegirl, do you think she's hot? No, I don't know.
WhiteRa: More GG, more skill.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#74
Haha, most inappropriate nick ever.
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
June 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#75
Robo-Innovation
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#76
This guy has no personality. :/
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#77
Wow he is really focused and somewhat boring. But i like how he doesnt give a fuck about fans and the opinions of fans
Guess he is the machine kespa designed to punish all the esf zergs for LoL(Lings of Liberty).
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
June 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#78
good interview, this guy is realist
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:23:08
June 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#79
LOL Don't care about his fans and said bluntly that he thinks SC2 is more fun. Innovation will get some haters for sure. I like how honest he is though.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#80
haha boring guy.
fun to see he cares mostly about winning, didn't really care much for either game itself it seems as hots is just more fun than BW because he is winning
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 24 2013 19:23 GMT
#81
oh bogus, you are the opposite of fruitdealer.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 24 2013 19:23 GMT
#82
Usually koreans are boring compared to foreigners, It might be the language (at tournaments) but this time he is just super boring...
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 24 2013 19:24 GMT
#83
His comments about not noticing/caring about other peoples reactions strongly makes me think of aspergers.

Oh well, it's not a personality contest anyway.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
June 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#84
On June 25 2013 04:13 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 04:10 Daswollvieh wrote:
And just when you thought there could not be a duller person than Flash, a new talent rises. Maybe it´s part of terran mechanics to be a total bore.


Marineking/Bomber would like to have a word with you.


Maybe that´s why they´re not as successful. Though that Innovation choke against SK had something bomberesque to it.

Well, there is still GSTL and WCS EU.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#85
On June 25 2013 03:26 TAMinator wrote:
Innovation seems very introverted. Thanks for the interview


Ditto on both. I wish Wax had asked him "What do you think about cakegirl?" to see if he was flustered or joking or still completely indifferent.
But I think he's an ok guy. He says what he thinks and tries to be modest and honest
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
June 24 2013 19:28 GMT
#86
machines aren't here to make friends, they are here to do the only thing these machines are able to do, And that is to carry out the task for which the machine has been assigned. And for innovations case that task is to WIN at all costs. Even at the sake of his personality/fans etc. Screw them all.

Hate him or love him. That is a champion.

Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 24 2013 19:28 GMT
#87
nice interview. It was glorious to read.
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a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
June 24 2013 19:33 GMT
#88
Changing his ID to RoBoT is the next step to achieve a better sc2 community.

I like his opinion on hellbats though.
PonceDeLEGABE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States117 Posts
June 24 2013 19:34 GMT
#89
Nice interview Wax. Much love for introveration I still love you.
cheerful
Profile Joined December 2012
78 Posts
June 24 2013 19:34 GMT
#90
Anything you'd like the fans to know about you?

No, nothing, in particular.

Nothing?

Uh, not really.



Oh dear god.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
June 24 2013 19:36 GMT
#91
Innovation really seems like the most bland guy ever. Still like him, but the contrast between his style in game and his personality outside couldn't be bigger.
We know nothing.
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
June 24 2013 19:36 GMT
#92
This is gold xD
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
June 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#93
[image loading]

Love it.
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
June 24 2013 19:38 GMT
#94
This interview gives me the exact vibe that i got from one previous interview that i read.
They talked about how Innovation had no passion and didn't know what to do after school, because nothing was interesting to him.

It really seems like Starcraft is the one lucky thing that he found for himself.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
June 24 2013 19:39 GMT
#95
a robot whose only mission is to murder people in Starcraft.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 24 2013 19:41 GMT
#96
well, he seems to be quite unique in his own way, most people are boring and predictable if you consider how collective conscious we are about most things, so contrary to what must of you think I think it might be quite interesting to discover how he perceives reality.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
cosine
Profile Joined September 2011
313 Posts
June 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#97
is this the interview Fionn said was the funniest ever? it's just INnoVation giving zero fucks.
KingdoM123
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden31 Posts
June 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#98
Sure I like Innovation and I love watching him play but damn that guy seems dull.
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
June 24 2013 19:43 GMT
#99
well that was an honest and blunt interview...
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danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
June 24 2013 19:49 GMT
#100
lol those answers. He is a complete android cyborg robot :D
LastLordofCastamere
Profile Joined February 2011
288 Posts
June 24 2013 19:51 GMT
#101
Dude is a terminator sent from the future to defeat John Connor at starcraft
"And who are you", the proud lord said "That I must bow so low?"
SSeoni
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
139 Posts
June 24 2013 19:52 GMT
#102
Thanks for the interview! Innovation seems like a very shy guy thou.
씨니
Elucidate
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
205 Posts
June 24 2013 19:52 GMT
#103
I'm not sure what to think, from a personality standpoint he seems kinda dry but I can see why you'd be just straight to the point if things were being translated in an interview. I do wish someone as skilled as him would show a little bit more flare though, it'd be awfully entertaining.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 24 2013 19:54 GMT
#104
Bogus is one boring man but his games kick ass
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sns3rsam
Profile Joined September 2012
United States138 Posts
June 24 2013 19:54 GMT
#105
I actually found it very interesting that he believes the game is balanced. (Not that I don't believe it is. I do think it is pretty balanced at the highest level.) Most pro players tend to have some sort of bias. Also, the possibility of nerfing hellbats doesn't phase him at all! Wow what a beast. Innovation hwaiting!
"Every Terran same to me... uhhhh ezpz" -DRG // When Life gives you banelings...
Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
June 24 2013 19:57 GMT
#106
Innovation doesn't care about anything besides Starcraft 2 it seems.
I like the guy, he is like some kid who didn't have any passion before he finds something he loves, like the ones you see in Anime and manga. Even brood war didn't feel good to him, that's kinda sad...
He will destroy everything with his great mechanics, though.

Oh, and please don't create another Group of Death... that stuff isn't good for the hearts of the fans, man.
[Terran] mvp | maru | innovation | mma [Protoss] mc | squirtle [Zerg] nestea | soo
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 24 2013 19:58 GMT
#107
Holy cow! Innovation fits the korean robot stereotype to a T with this interview. What a generic and boring interivew.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Missing-No
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada50 Posts
June 24 2013 19:59 GMT
#108
Some players aren't there to entertain anyone, they just want to be the best and get paid. If you have a task like innovation the last thing you want to do is read up on articles and TL forums and be distracted by what "your image" should be. Anyone that says he's boring and doesn't entertain can stick a shovel up their anus. The dude is a stone cold Z killer.

Innovation fighting!
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
June 24 2013 20:02 GMT
#109
I am always surprised by people here thinking that you can be better than 99.99% people and still be a regular joe...

Come on. What do you expect ? Of course he's a sociopath ! :D I like him even though he doesn't love me <3
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 24 2013 20:11 GMT
#110
It's pretty weird that people think somebody has a more entertaining personality if he watches tv shows or (pretends to) care deeply about random people on the internet.
KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
June 24 2013 20:12 GMT
#111
I want to know which K-drama he got "Innovation" from.
MarineKingPrime Forever!
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
June 24 2013 20:13 GMT
#112
Well at least we can say he is honest about his other interesting
Some times you just gotta wish...
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 20:16:50
June 24 2013 20:16 GMT
#113
Well he is honest and straightforward, that is for sure.

zzz =D Great player though.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
June 24 2013 20:18 GMT
#114
Hahaha, the answers got shorter and shorter near the end :D... Honest at least ... but a bit zZzZ indeed
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 24 2013 20:19 GMT
#115
Maybe when LotV comes out STX will release a new version of Bogus that does a better job of simulating human behavior.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 24 2013 20:21 GMT
#116
On June 25 2013 05:19 forsooth wrote:
Maybe when LotV comes out STX will release a new version of Bogus that does a better job of simulating human behavior.

What if it becomes self aware?
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DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
June 24 2013 20:23 GMT
#117
Awesome interview, however boring INnoVation actually is. Thanks!
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
June 24 2013 20:28 GMT
#118
Less of a fan after the interview than before...
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
duxx
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden14 Posts
June 24 2013 20:33 GMT
#119
more of a fan after the interview than before. Love his mindset ! hope to see more of Innovation! gogo innovation fighting =)
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
June 24 2013 20:34 GMT
#120
On June 25 2013 05:11 Talin wrote:
It's pretty weird that people think somebody has a more entertaining personality if he watches tv shows or (pretends to) care deeply about random people on the internet.

How is it wierd? Pop culture is a big part of most peoples lives today and your musical interest, literature interest and film interest kinda defines who you are and makes it easier to connect with other people. It gives you a personality.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Schroedinger
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany80 Posts
June 24 2013 20:35 GMT
#121
People might say he is boring, should he care ?
I think this level of dedication and focus is the reason for his sucess.
His mindset seems to be perfect...he might become something that we have never seen before in SC2.
Conquest is made of the ashes of one's enemies
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
June 24 2013 20:35 GMT
#122
People say Innovation is boring and not entertaining... I don't know about you but he's entertained you and me for countless hours when he snaps nerd necks in tournies :DDDD
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
frontline-
Profile Joined March 2012
Bulgaria281 Posts
June 24 2013 20:37 GMT
#123
On June 25 2013 05:35 ROOTheognis wrote:
People say Innovation is boring and not entertaining... I don't know about you but he's entertained you and me for countless hours when he snaps nerd necks in tournies :DDDD


Gaming should never be everything in anyone's life.

Ever.
CutieBK
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden227 Posts
June 24 2013 20:37 GMT
#124
Hahaha, this interview is awesome.

Innovation seems extremely terminator-esque in his approach to the game(and perhaps life(no pun intended) in general)!
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
June 24 2013 20:38 GMT
#125
He doesn't sound like the type of guy who can take advantage of a cakegirl...
Really, a Terminator, lol.
Great intervew, thx!
Chicken gank op
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
June 24 2013 20:38 GMT
#126
Well.. luckily Its not personality I cheer for. Not that he would care lol.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18396 Posts
June 24 2013 20:39 GMT
#127
On June 25 2013 05:37 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 05:35 ROOTheognis wrote:
People say Innovation is boring and not entertaining... I don't know about you but he's entertained you and me for countless hours when he snaps nerd necks in tournies :DDDD


Gaming should never be everything in anyone's life.

Ever.


How is it different than professional sports? :p
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 20:41:12
June 24 2013 20:39 GMT
#128
Such a boring guy.

He seems focused and determined to be a great player, but outside of that. Doesn't care for much else.

I mean when Flash was interviewed, at least Flash had some aspirations outside of SC2. And Flash is the prototypical consummate professional. He too is a person very dedicated to becoming the best he can be as a pro-gamer.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 21:09:15
June 24 2013 20:40 GMT
#129
Fascinating personality this INnoVation dude. One wonders if he is just posturing or is genuinely dispassionate, and one could then -- naturally some would say -- argue that posturing is only available as an option if you are the genuine article. I fall firmly in the latter.

"So he's a fan of NaDa" is one thing I took from it ... kinda interesting I think. I am also totally in love with the thread comments so far. Amateur psychology is at its best almost an art form and seeing it at its most powerful such as in this thread right now can be damn right scarily funny ... with some pretty good writing.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 24 2013 20:43 GMT
#130
Boring answers, this dude seems like he doesn't care at all lol

But i really like to watch him play!
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Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 24 2013 20:43 GMT
#131
Male progamer giving a somewhat boring interview, reaps ten pages of unwarranted and disrespectful bashing.

Meanwhile, a professional cosplayer probably as interesting as a stone beside her dashing looks gets endless praise and interest.

You do have strange standards when it comes to personality, Teamliquid.
If you seek well, you shall find.
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
June 24 2013 20:43 GMT
#132
Innovation doesn't care about fans, praise, TV, foreign tournaments and crowds and said he doesn't feel much when he win or plays. Robot?
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
June 24 2013 20:44 GMT
#133
On June 25 2013 05:39 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 05:37 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote:
On June 25 2013 05:35 ROOTheognis wrote:
People say Innovation is boring and not entertaining... I don't know about you but he's entertained you and me for countless hours when he snaps nerd necks in tournies :DDDD


Gaming should never be everything in anyone's life.

Ever.


How is it different than professional sports? :p

Professional athletes have family and hobbies they go back home to when they call it a day. When progamers call it a day they crawl down in their bunk beds together with their teammates of 10 after playing all day.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
June 24 2013 20:44 GMT
#134
he seems to be pretty introverted and shy. well, I think that's quite normal for a professional gamer. his answers weren't very interesting, but he's not here to entertain us with funny answers, he's here to win.

this sentence hit the point perfectly: " But after winning a championship, I didn't really feel anything, so I think I have to keep winning. "

many great champions share this mindset.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
June 24 2013 20:46 GMT
#135
I felt like i was reading an interview from a robot tbh.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
June 24 2013 20:49 GMT
#136
My God, this interview makes Flash looks like a hyper-extremely outgoing person.
INnovation man lol...
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
June 24 2013 20:52 GMT
#137
Most boring of boring players xD
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
June 24 2013 20:52 GMT
#138
On June 25 2013 03:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Should change his ID to INtroVersion


This one is particularly funny because it might both be defamatory and true. It is a tricky thing this "thing" of figuring out some-one else's inner psychology. I find this an immensely funny and interesting of a topic and when put as concisely as this, it is pure gold. And as always, talking too much about the joke will ultimately destroy it.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
June 24 2013 20:53 GMT
#139
Dont feel I got to much out of the interview except the fact that he is really focused and works very hard, but that is to be expected. Ty for the effort thou TL.
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
June 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#140
On June 25 2013 03:48 Houron wrote:
I'm loving this Bogus coverage! <3 Innovation!!!


This can not be repeated enough: take heed people!

FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
June 24 2013 21:01 GMT
#141
One of the most honest interviews I've read from a professional gamer.

I hope he keeps winning.
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Kokokoz
Profile Joined April 2013
France147 Posts
June 24 2013 21:01 GMT
#142
I don't think he's boring, he just seems calm and sound in mind
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 24 2013 21:16 GMT
#143
Some people just like the winning.

Innovation is pretty good so I heard and he wins a lot.

I like him, he seems detached.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
June 24 2013 21:16 GMT
#144
meh, not much to say, def one of the lesser entertaining interviews. I dont know how the others feel about this, but I cheer less for him as I would for a jaedong or flash, even if innovation is playing at a higher level right now, and I'm generally the type of person that cheers for the best. Right now, he's just not a guy I can get behind and cheer for, y'know.
Left hand
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland133 Posts
June 24 2013 21:25 GMT
#145
He doesn't even seem to like SC2 beyond his own game. I love it! Definitely my favorite player now.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 24 2013 21:27 GMT
#146
oh wow that is really an extended interview haha. Innovation so cute and shy , as much as I try to avoid liking hyped players, cannot dislike him.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
June 24 2013 21:28 GMT
#147
On June 25 2013 03:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Lee Shin Hyung is... The World's Most Boring Man.

"I don't always play Starcraft, but when I don't, I don't think about anything."


LOL well played, I got a good chuckle out of this.
Herp Derp
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
June 24 2013 21:28 GMT
#148
Well luckily he doesn't read forums so he doesn't have to read how boring he is every 2 posts
월요 날 재미있
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 24 2013 21:29 GMT
#149
haha, Innovation is so boring. Ty for the interview
Vanadium
Profile Joined December 2012
481 Posts
June 24 2013 21:31 GMT
#150
Cool interview, guy's a robot :D

I like Innovation mostly for his play, so I can't say I'll cheer for him much in the future if his skill level drops, unlike say, Beesuit.

Also, such a contrast with Soulkey, who, at least for me, got a lot of brownie points after his interviews with Chobra and Daypollo.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
June 24 2013 21:31 GMT
#151
So, does this mean that his new nickname is the "Terminator Terran"? Hasta la vista...zergies!
Herp Derp
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
June 24 2013 21:33 GMT
#152
So the Kespa machine that cranks out robots is actually legit. :p
Less QQ, more PewPew
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
June 24 2013 21:38 GMT
#153
I think it's funny that so many people think he is dull. I think he's about as interesting as people get. His dedication is matched by so few. His focus is unwavering. He's so relaxed.

Gives me no reason to do anything but cheer for him even harder.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
June 24 2013 21:40 GMT
#154
Wow, didn't expect so much hate and ignorance on TL towards what simply seems a strong introvert. The most intelligent and interesting people I know in real life (most of them physicists) would give interviews just like this. They don't care about "the mass" and seem distant from outside, but once you really get to know them it's a whole different world. They do what they enjoy and are excellent at it and often have "unpopular" hobbies etc.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#155
this interview is very long but he says very little...
WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
June 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#156
I guess people on TL rather want some stephano like interviews: I'm just good at the game. I like parties.
InnoVation Fighting!!!
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 21:49:19
June 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#157
I liked this interview. Innovation seems a solid dude.

Innovation may not be the most interesting guy. But, it's hard to say from interviews, you know. For myself, I tend to be quite evasive when asked personal questions by strangers or people I don't know well. I rather hear them talk than myself. Innovation, clearly an introvert, may be the same. And even if Innovation is truly as he comes across. So what? He knows what he is about and makes no pretence about it. Good for him. Most other people wish they could say the same and mean it.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
June 24 2013 21:50 GMT
#158
Was certainly more interesting than the generic PR interview you usually get.
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
June 24 2013 21:50 GMT
#159
On June 25 2013 06:31 Vanadium wrote:
Cool interview, guy's a robot :D

I like Innovation mostly for his play, so I can't say I'll cheer for him much in the future if his skill level drops, unlike say, Beesuit.

Also, such a contrast with Soulkey, who, at least for me, got a lot of brownie points after his interviews with Chobra and Daypollo.


Is there any video of that? The Soulkey interviews, I mean?
Information is everything
smashlloyd20
Profile Joined October 2012
251 Posts
June 24 2013 21:56 GMT
#160
I think Innovation has so little personality he could actually become known for his personality of having no personality. It just loops all the way back around.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 24 2013 21:59 GMT
#161
God he's boring. I can just imagine his answer to a question about Cake Girl

"Eh? She's ok I guess but I really only focus on my own looks so I didn't really notice"
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
June 24 2013 22:02 GMT
#162
This interview is is exactly as I thought it would be. I'd be disappointed if it turned out any other way. 100% dedication to the game.
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
June 24 2013 22:04 GMT
#163
lol great interview, really big and lots of info. he is brutally honest though haha
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:12:17
June 24 2013 22:07 GMT
#164
Ironically I find the world would be boring without guys like innovation. Nothing wrong with people who have personality types that you are not used to, or think is "normal".

He is not your typical attention whoring teen. I imagine he is much more open to those he trust and close to him.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 24 2013 22:08 GMT
#165
TIL: Innovation is kind of boring
and he doesn't want/care about fans: wtf

lol
moo...for DRG
BlackPride
Profile Joined July 2012
United States186 Posts
June 24 2013 22:08 GMT
#166
I like him. Way cool guy it seems.
I've never waited in line at the DMV [YVNG]
Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
June 24 2013 22:09 GMT
#167
His response when day9 asked if he would rather be a duck or a goose makes complete sense now.
crashonly
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland418 Posts
June 24 2013 22:11 GMT
#168
Well, I think walking is a nice hobby

He's kinda funny in the way that he just doesn't seem to give a crap about his fans or the attention he is getting. Like, he doesn't even care enough to pretend like he cares. Which is fine by me, at least there's no danger of having an inflated ego or anything like that.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 24 2013 22:14 GMT
#169
haha not very opinionated is he
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 24 2013 22:18 GMT
#170
On June 25 2013 07:07 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ironically I find the world would be boring without guys like innovation. Nothing wrong with people who have personality types that you are not used to, or think is "normal".

He is not your typical attention whoring teen. I imagine he is much more open to those he trust and close to him.


I thought there were a ton of introverts in the world let alone in gaming? Does not compute..
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 24 2013 22:20 GMT
#171
On June 25 2013 07:18 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 07:07 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ironically I find the world would be boring without guys like innovation. Nothing wrong with people who have personality types that you are not used to, or think is "normal".

He is not your typical attention whoring teen. I imagine he is much more open to those he trust and close to him.


I thought there were a ton of introverts in the world let alone in gaming? Does not compute..


I didn`t say there wasn`t.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
June 24 2013 22:21 GMT
#172
I kind of like it, weirdly enough. No fluff, no bullshit.

Thanks for the interview!
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
June 24 2013 22:21 GMT
#173
"At first, I thought that one championship would be enough to be call myself a good player, and be called a good player by others. But after winning a championship, I didn't really feel anything, so I think I have to keep winning. "

Hahaha, what a baller
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
June 24 2013 22:24 GMT
#174
Dedicated to his job/hobby, doesn't watch TV, likes walking and doesn't really care what random people think about him. Definitely like him.
Ofc, someone like MC is a way more entertaining, but that doesn't mean everyone should be like him.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
June 24 2013 22:26 GMT
#175
Innovation had fun once and it was awful.
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Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:27:11
June 24 2013 22:26 GMT
#176
I like how young man can focus on one thing and tries to be best at it. This is really almost imossible for older men who cares about many things at once. Thats why i think the most successfull progamers are about 16-24 years old. After this age you start to care about many things at once (about girls, for example). Look at (Z)Jaedong and (P)Bisu. They want girls, it's obvious.
INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:33:50
June 24 2013 22:32 GMT
#177
On June 25 2013 06:40 mechengineer123 wrote:
Wow, didn't expect so much hate and ignorance on TL towards what simply seems a strong introvert. The most intelligent and interesting people I know in real life (most of them physicists) would give interviews just like this. They don't care about "the mass" and seem distant from outside, but once you really get to know them it's a whole different world. They do what they enjoy and are excellent at it and often have "unpopular" hobbies etc.


Then you shouldn't be that surprised that only few people can relate to him. 'I am secretly amazing and nobody knows it' is funny when you talk about in forums where people 'socialize'.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
June 24 2013 22:32 GMT
#178
You cant be one of the best at something by spending most of your time practicing at it and still be the most interesting man in the world or something. He just enjoys getting better at SC 2 and he is just humble and quite nothing wrong with that.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
June 24 2013 22:34 GMT
#179
It is funny people call him boring based on a interview. Because interviews show personality, wait they don't if the person chooses not to. The only think I see in the interview is a person that is doing the interview because he kind of must, but does not really care about fans.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 24 2013 22:36 GMT
#180
Whatever people think of the interview and peoples reaction to it, we can all have peace in mind knowing that there is one guy who doesn't care either way.
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:47:14
June 24 2013 22:37 GMT
#181
On June 25 2013 05:34 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 05:11 Talin wrote:
It's pretty weird that people think somebody has a more entertaining personality if he watches tv shows or (pretends to) care deeply about random people on the internet.

How is it wierd? Pop culture is a big part of most peoples lives today and your musical interest, literature interest and film interest kinda defines who you are and makes it easier to connect with other people. It gives you a personality.


lol. Innovation has a personality. Just not the type of personality you see on TV.

It's called being an introverted, boring loner. And that's a compliment.

not everyone's a stupid clown like MC.
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:38:46
June 24 2013 22:38 GMT
#182
all the pro's that have personality usually suck at the game so what do you expect lol
dumchu
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
June 24 2013 22:40 GMT
#183
This is the kind of guy who will win a whole lot, because he doesn't really care about anything fame gives him, so he probably wouldn't spend too much time on it and just focus on the game and win more and more.. Kinda reminds me of Flash, who despite his more colourful interviews always concludes with "I'll just have to work hard to become the best".

I also simply love the fact that everything I felt was true about what happened during the finals or what he felt his strengths were, seemed to be exactly what he said. And the fact he doesn't care AT ALL what other people seem to think.. I kinda admire that in a way. Most people would try to do what you "should" do during interviews, he just doesn't care and tells you like it is.
Cute
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
June 24 2013 22:40 GMT
#184
On June 25 2013 07:34 mcc wrote:
It is funny people call him boring based on a interview. Because interviews show personality, wait they don't if the person chooses not to. The only think I see in the interview is a person that is doing the interview because he kind of must, but does not really care about fans.


also, this. he sounds like an impenetrable introvert.
Vanadium
Profile Joined December 2012
481 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 22:41:25
June 24 2013 22:41 GMT
#185
On June 25 2013 06:50 sd_andeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 06:31 Vanadium wrote:
Cool interview, guy's a robot :D

I like Innovation mostly for his play, so I can't say I'll cheer for him much in the future if his skill level drops, unlike say, Beesuit.

Also, such a contrast with Soulkey, who, at least for me, got a lot of brownie points after his interviews with Chobra and Daypollo.


Is there any video of that? The Soulkey interviews, I mean?


Found 'em :D

Soulkey Interviews with Chobra, Day[9], and Apollo:
Day 2: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_osl/b/414006806?t=105m42s&initial_time=6342

Day 3: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_osl/b/414479387?t=291m51s&initial_time=17511

They are quite lengthy and a bit silly. Also, Day 2 interview also takes place during the Alicia v sOs game.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#186
It was an incredibly boring interview, but that doesn't mean he is boring in general. Who knows what his mindset was when this interview occurred or if his personality is such that he hates to open up at all in these situations. In person he might be extremely funny and interesting who knows?
Red and yellow are all I see
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
June 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#187
What a machine

Innovation fighting!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
June 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#188
What a badass motherfucker. Don't give two shits 'bout nothing.

Humble as ever I suppose. STX only has a 20% chance to win, eh? Such pessimism!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 24 2013 22:43 GMT
#189
Nice to see his dedication to the game, seems like whatever he'll do he'll turn his complete attention to it

I could see him as an artist or a musician or even a writer like that, completely immersed in what he does and as other said, quite introverted

alot more interesting than those who seem to fake introversion to be humble imo
+ Show Spoiler [arguing I really shouldn't do] +
On June 25 2013 04:10 Daswollvieh wrote:
And just when you thought there could not be a duller person than Flash, a new talent rises. Maybe it´s part of terran mechanics to be a total bore.

How is flash boring outside his play? He's trashtalked in more than 1 interview lol, and if nothing else Innovation is interesting if not funny or entertaining
In the woods, there lurks..
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
June 24 2013 22:46 GMT
#190
Can't stop laughing about this interview and Innovations not-giving-a-single-fuck attitude. 100% awesome and badass. I love this guy. <3
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
June 24 2013 22:48 GMT
#191
On June 25 2013 07:32 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 06:40 mechengineer123 wrote:
Wow, didn't expect so much hate and ignorance on TL towards what simply seems a strong introvert. The most intelligent and interesting people I know in real life (most of them physicists) would give interviews just like this. They don't care about "the mass" and seem distant from outside, but once you really get to know them it's a whole different world. They do what they enjoy and are excellent at it and often have "unpopular" hobbies etc.


Then you shouldn't be that surprised that only few people can relate to him. 'I am secretly amazing and nobody knows it' is funny when you talk about in forums where people 'socialize'.


This is true actually, I guess that's why I relate to him. It's a mix of having a general disinterest in the world, therefore having tons of time to dedicate to the few things you love.
Cute
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
June 24 2013 22:49 GMT
#192
Right an interview doesnt mean much maybe he just wanted to get done with it so gave quick answers. I know I would do that sometimes if I didnt feel like doing it.
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
June 24 2013 22:49 GMT
#193
Bogus aka INnoVation should rename once again ==> Terminator. I know there is T8 (P)Terminator ^^

Anyway for the moment INnoVation has just incredible Mechanics and Micro.. if he learn to stop Zerg Allins... he'll not be unbeatable, but he'll be damn strong ^^
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
June 24 2013 22:49 GMT
#194
Dear god those were some boring answers...

Thanks for the interview though I guess!
Darkness2k11
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile313 Posts
June 24 2013 22:52 GMT
#195
Innovation so amazing (*_*)
When Behind, Dark Shrine
SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
June 24 2013 23:04 GMT
#196
On June 25 2013 03:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Lee Shin Hyung is... The World's Most Boring Man.

"I don't always play Starcraft, but when I don't, I don't think about anything."

You should make sure you are reading things correctly before you label someone.

"I just do it to clear out my head, and for my health. I don't think about the game much when I'm not playing it."

See how different the actual translation is from what you wrote? Completely different meaning.
Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
June 24 2013 23:06 GMT
#197
He doesn't necessarily have to be boring in person. But he's obviously not interested or too shy to say anything outstanding or funny in an interview. I guess it's a cultural thing too, after all many of those interviews sound exactly the same, they're mostly just politely and (yes) emotionlessly answering without risking anything, so to say. No speculation, no arrogance, no joking, no exagerrating. Of course there are a lot of other korean guys too (MC and so on). But still those that fall into that category don't have to be boring people as a result of it, maybe they're just not those kind of communicators.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 24 2013 23:06 GMT
#198
Damn that's a focused dude. Guess that's what's required to dominate SC2.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
June 24 2013 23:07 GMT
#199
On June 25 2013 07:42 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It was an incredibly boring interview, but that doesn't mean he is boring in general. Who knows what his mindset was when this interview occurred or if his personality is such that he hates to open up at all in these situations. In person he might be extremely funny and interesting who knows?

Yeah, we shouldn't be so quick to jump to assumptions via one interview, especially an interview that we're reading. We can't even tell his tone or body language

But it does seem like he didn't exactly "open up" during this interview - that's something to keep in mind. With Innovation, there may be more than meets the eye. (Shoot, I just made an indirect robot reference...)

Also: perhaps this is why Oprah gets the big bucks. She's an expert at drawing out a person during an interview? Lol
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
June 24 2013 23:07 GMT
#200
This reminds me how much I love Stephano, or DIMAGA, or MC, or MKP. They are maybe not as skilled as he is (that's definitely the case) but they are entertaining. It's not all about the skill. Even EG couldn't make INnoVation marketable.

I remember some people regretting that he was not invited at HomeStory Cup... It would have been embarrasingly hilarious, for sure. Just imagine him casting with Fuzer and MC.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
June 24 2013 23:13 GMT
#201
A few words that describes the personality of Oprah perfectly.

Lachrymose and mawkish. I wanna slit my wrists when I see that woman.

... back on topic. It's also definitely a cultural thing. Being "uppity" in Asian culture isn't looked favourably upon.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 23:18:28
June 24 2013 23:18 GMT
#202
Wow, Innovation is even more boring than I thought lol.. I respect his gameplay, but damn, its hard to really cheer for a guy this emotionless. Makes me miss players like MC (who is so terrible nowadays...) even more.
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
June 24 2013 23:25 GMT
#203
I enjoyed it because I like seeing interview troll attempts shot down. especially when they're fishing for compliments for foreigners.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
June 24 2013 23:32 GMT
#204
Sick interview. Maybe he's not a poster child for awesomeness, but I enjoyed it. Especially this part.

``Yes, right now all the races are active at the top tier of competition. The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now.``
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Ajukrejzi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden34 Posts
June 24 2013 23:34 GMT
#205
Thought it would be more interesting, he doesnt seem to care about...anything exept his own play. well guess u gotta do that to become that good. would be nice to see him stream some
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 24 2013 23:43 GMT
#206
Jesus Christ he sounds like a robot. This was pretty funny though:

Actually, Life lost to two foreigners at DreamHack: Summer. What did you think about that result?

I didn't really care.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 24 2013 23:45 GMT
#207
Innovation is so good! but that was a very dull interview T_T
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 24 2013 23:50 GMT
#208
The translation was from binary to Korean to English. Interesting to hear his thoughts on BW though. He seemed like a player with a lot of potential back then, though far from the monstrous player he currently is.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
patchpotato
Profile Joined June 2013
22 Posts
June 24 2013 23:52 GMT
#209
Haha. The only thing surprising about the interview is that he was probably a bit too honest (i.e. not enough media training). Most athletes have cardboard interview personalities. That is, they sound like they're reading off a checklist of "things that you're supposed to say", like a build order for interviews. Anybody is marketable if you give them the right checklist. The point of an interview isn't to show who a person is as much as to show fans what they want to see/hear.

Innovation has been playing some really interesting games lately. I guess that the talking he does in-game is far more valuable (kind of like Messi/etc.).
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
June 24 2013 23:55 GMT
#210
Really cool of blizzard korea to hook you guys hoping to read more interviews ^_ ^!!
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
TrollPolice
Profile Joined May 2013
44 Posts
June 25 2013 00:03 GMT
#211
Doesn't like TV or movies that much. I approve.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
June 25 2013 00:04 GMT
#212
He couldn't care less about the fame that comes with being as good as him
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 25 2013 00:05 GMT
#213
It seems like Innovation is out of fucks to give.
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
June 25 2013 00:10 GMT
#214
Awesome questions and answers.. thx ^^
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 25 2013 00:11 GMT
#215
The Dr. Manhattan nickname becomes more appropriate.

He gives ZERO fucks about human concerns.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
June 25 2013 00:11 GMT
#216
Man what a quiet kid hahaha... I guess they can't all be MC
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
June 25 2013 00:16 GMT
#217
thnx for interview!

lol innovation
how does it compare to hotbid's unedited scarlett interview?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 25 2013 00:19 GMT
#218
#coldbloodedkiller
Fus Ro Dah
Profile Joined January 2013
Singapore141 Posts
June 25 2013 00:24 GMT
#219
On June 25 2013 08:07 Boucot wrote:
This reminds me how much I love Stephano, or DIMAGA, or MC, or MKP. They are maybe not as skilled as he is (that's definitely the case) but they are entertaining. It's not all about the skill. Even EG couldn't make INnoVation marketable.

I remember some people regretting that he was not invited at HomeStory Cup... It would have been embarrasingly hilarious, for sure. Just imagine him casting with Fuzer and MC.


1. Kespa players are under strict restrictions for overseas tournaments. And no, EGTL is not in Kespa.

2. Innovation will not cast even if he is at HSC. All the Koreans in HSC did not cast except for those who are good in English such as MC.

3. For some fans, winning >>> personality.

UglyBastard
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany53 Posts
June 25 2013 00:25 GMT
#220
I really love how he has no soul. He is just a passionless automaton that destroys people because that's the only thing he knows. I especially liked the part where he stated he felt nothing when he won WCS.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 25 2013 00:32 GMT
#221
The Terminator nickname suits this guy far more than Flash
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crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
June 25 2013 00:35 GMT
#222
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..

btw he is really really really boring -.-"


he's a progamer doesn't suprise me he does not like movies or TV as they are for the brainless zombies (well TV at least). You shouldn't expect someone that practices all the time to be the dos equis guy.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
June 25 2013 00:36 GMT
#223
Yikes... Bogus is such a Debbie Downer. That was painful =/
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
June 25 2013 00:40 GMT
#224
I guess the interviewer stepped on his foot and he didn't feel like answering anything...
...
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 25 2013 00:44 GMT
#225
On June 25 2013 09:35 crbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..

btw he is really really really boring -.-"


he's a progamer doesn't suprise me he does not like movies or TV as they are for the brainless zombies (well TV at least). You shouldn't expect someone that practices all the time to be the dos equis guy.


Yeah, because all progamers dislike movies and TV.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 25 2013 00:44 GMT
#226
On June 25 2013 09:24 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
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On June 25 2013 08:07 Boucot wrote:
This reminds me how much I love Stephano, or DIMAGA, or MC, or MKP. They are maybe not as skilled as he is (that's definitely the case) but they are entertaining. It's not all about the skill. Even EG couldn't make INnoVation marketable.

I remember some people regretting that he was not invited at HomeStory Cup... It would have been embarrasingly hilarious, for sure. Just imagine him casting with Fuzer and MC.


1. Kespa players are under strict restrictions for overseas tournaments. And no, EGTL is not in Kespa.

2. Innovation will not cast even if he is at HSC. All the Koreans in HSC did not cast except for those who are good in English such as MC.

3. For some fans, winning >>> personality.



Sad to hear you missed last HsC, but its not for everyone.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#227
On June 25 2013 09:25 UglyBastard wrote:
I really love how he has no soul. He is just a passionless automaton that destroys people because that's the only thing he knows. I especially liked the part where he stated he felt nothing when he won WCS.

The advantage is that he has no soul that can be sent to the shadow realm, so he can play without fear. The disadvantage is that his shoes must be uncomfortable without souls.
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Channel56k
Profile Joined June 2010
United States413 Posts
June 25 2013 00:56 GMT
#228
His lack of interest in gaining fame and recognition does not make him "boring", if anything, his not caring is purely humble.

You should have seen him walking out of the GSL. You could tell he had been crying and he had his little brother hanging on his arm, yet he was still stopping to sign autographs.

Pretty stellar guy imo.
"Do yourself a favor, and don't listen to me."
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
June 25 2013 01:07 GMT
#229
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..

btw he is really really really boring -.-"

He is really really boring, but he certainly is not overrated. Yes, it can be argued he isn't #1 (BECAUSE BISU IS #1), but he's definitely within the top 3.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 25 2013 01:07 GMT
#230
I now dub him Introvertion.
Someone call down the Thunder?
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 25 2013 01:08 GMT
#231
Strong mind
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
June 25 2013 01:20 GMT
#232
On June 25 2013 05:11 Talin wrote:
It's pretty weird that people think somebody has a more entertaining personality if he watches tv shows or (pretends to) care deeply about random people on the internet.

Thank you! Honestly, for all you people calling him boring, I hope you are extremely socially awesome guys getting all the chicks and being trendy as fuck. I don't understand what it is about this community that is so obssessed with the "personality" of a player.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44111 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 01:23:24
June 25 2013 01:21 GMT
#233
hes particularly honest .. but if i sum up the interview

* he doesnt give a fvck
* he's not satisfied to my results yet(really?you're so good that you're called the greatest rts player by artosis.. you know that right?)

everything else boils down to hes one dimensional,introverted,boring,simple or whatever people prefer to call it .. the interesting thing is i think he still thinks life is a really good player even though life lost to two foreigners and wanna beat him head on because if life did not throw away his infestors that game it was pretty even ..
this is a quote
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 25 2013 01:28 GMT
#234
It's quite interesting how some here seem to equate "introverted" to "having no personality".
If you seek well, you shall find.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44111 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 01:28:42
June 25 2013 01:28 GMT
#235
On June 25 2013 09:24 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
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On June 25 2013 08:07 Boucot wrote:
This reminds me how much I love Stephano, or DIMAGA, or MC, or MKP. They are maybe not as skilled as he is (that's definitely the case) but they are entertaining. It's not all about the skill. Even EG couldn't make INnoVation marketable.

I remember some people regretting that he was not invited at HomeStory Cup... It would have been embarrasingly hilarious, for sure. Just imagine him casting with Fuzer and MC.


1. Kespa players are under strict restrictions for overseas tournaments. And no, EGTL is not in Kespa.

2. Innovation will not cast even if he is at HSC. All the Koreans in HSC did not cast except for those who are good in English such as MC.

3. For some fans, winning >>> personality.



#3 is absolutely true .. i dont care if they bash or dont react to everyone else as long as they win convincingly ... i liked savior from broodwar even though he was caught in match fixing .. i liked jaedong because hes insanely aggressive that almost always pays off .. i liked life even though he's not fun to interview like everyone else

winning > personality
this is a quote
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
June 25 2013 01:29 GMT
#236
After reading this interview, my suspicions have been confirmed. He's an emotionless robot sent from the future to destroy nerds in Starcraft.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44111 Posts
June 25 2013 01:30 GMT
#237
On June 25 2013 09:56 konicki wrote:
His lack of interest in gaining fame and recognition does not make him "boring", if anything, his not caring is purely humble.

You should have seen him walking out of the GSL. You could tell he had been crying and he had his little brother hanging on his arm, yet he was still stopping to sign autographs.

Pretty stellar guy imo.


he just doesnt give a fvck on fame .. agreed that doesnt make him boring .. i think its just lack of interest
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44111 Posts
June 25 2013 01:31 GMT
#238
i'm starting to notice .. why does everyone want flash to be their rival than other players ? i mean at first it was life in an interview.. now innovation ..
this is a quote
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
June 25 2013 01:39 GMT
#239
yup, innovation's definitely an agent in the matrix. he doesn't not care though. he actually hates human beings and want to destroy them. of course, he can't say that in an interview with a human being
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vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
June 25 2013 01:44 GMT
#240
Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto ._.
what quote?
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
June 25 2013 01:46 GMT
#241
On June 25 2013 10:28 Kyrillion wrote:
It's quite interesting how some here seem to equate "introverted" to "having no personality".


At least it's better than introverted meaning serial killer.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44111 Posts
June 25 2013 01:51 GMT
#242
On June 25 2013 10:39 theMagus wrote:
yup, innovation's definitely an agent in the matrix. he doesn't not care though. he actually hates human beings and want to destroy them. of course, he can't say that in an interview with a human being


lol
this is a quote
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 25 2013 02:08 GMT
#243
Bogus interview, man

Gonna be hard to gain more fans with answers like that lol
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Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
June 25 2013 02:09 GMT
#244
He reminds me I should be getting back to work instead of wasting time on interviews.
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
June 25 2013 02:10 GMT
#245
This interview makes me want to have a nap.
xContagion
Profile Joined July 2012
United States40 Posts
June 25 2013 02:13 GMT
#246
This is a great interview. This shows, his passion for the game and to raise the skill ceiling, where players like "HuK" and "IdrA" kept it so freaking low, creating literal e-drama and e-personalities,
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 02:14:01
June 25 2013 02:13 GMT
#247
yeah this guy is a machine, which makes him a perfect bad guy
i never knew that anyone could be more of a machine than flash...but lately flash has been talking a lot about plenty of stuff...
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 02:14:46
June 25 2013 02:14 GMT
#248
On June 25 2013 10:31 goody153 wrote:
i'm starting to notice .. why does everyone want flash to be their rival than other players ? i mean at first it was life in an interview.. now innovation ..


Because in bw flash was God and above all other players. The title of bonjwa was beneath flash, so they gave him the title of God instead. He was the michael jordan of bw.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
SonZHi
Profile Joined May 2012
Hong Kong30 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 02:33:04
June 25 2013 02:15 GMT
#249
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 25 2013 02:16 GMT
#250
This interview was so intense that I got so pumped I had to go for a walk myself. Along the way I decided to stop and watch the grass grow, and when I came back I watched the paint on my house dry. Such an exciting afternoon... Bogus would have been proud.
xContagion
Profile Joined July 2012
United States40 Posts
June 25 2013 02:20 GMT
#251
Its only only the america's and EU that care for their "personalites" of their players. Becuase, only there are other people's life's more interesting then their own.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 25 2013 02:24 GMT
#252
"But you did do alright, people called you a hot prospect, and you were STX's ace at certain points.

Yes, but that was just a (T)Flash in the pan. "

Seems legit.
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Hellbat
Profile Joined June 2013
223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 02:37:10
June 25 2013 02:37 GMT
#253
Ah, this must be the interview that was hyped up yesterday as the most awesome or most boring.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
June 25 2013 02:40 GMT
#254
Still can not understand why people care if someone has "personality" or not. They're playing a game, not acting on Broadway.
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Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
June 25 2013 02:43 GMT
#255
It's kind of crazy how his only focus is the game and winning, not the audience and no interest in other things... hopefully that passion continues and we keep getting great games (no thanks to Starleague's Bo1 rounds, ick!).
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 25 2013 02:46 GMT
#256
I'm a bit disappointed in his answers, but that's not to say I'm not still a fan. Wish he'd at least pretend to enjoy stuff like foreign audiences though...makes players much more likeable.
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Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
June 25 2013 02:46 GMT
#257
i think this is actually the first interview i have read and not liked for sc2.
Sc2 always got your back
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 25 2013 02:48 GMT
#258
On June 25 2013 11:40 vesicular wrote:
Still can not understand why people care if someone has "personality" or not. They're playing a game, not acting on Broadway.

Because everyone in the world ever likes to relate to their heroes. You can't relate to someone who is quite literally a robot that just plays the game and doesn't even acknowledge his fans.

That's why most heroes in action movies are usually portrayed as/by a Joe Everyman and not some mindless robot.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
June 25 2013 02:48 GMT
#259
This is one of the most disgusting threads I've read on TL.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12385 Posts
June 25 2013 02:52 GMT
#260
Not sure if he was trying to be funny or just being himself
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 25 2013 02:54 GMT
#261
On June 25 2013 11:48 Soap wrote:
This is one of the most disgusting threads I've read on TL.


One time, Charlie Murphy made a dick thread... :O
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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
June 25 2013 02:56 GMT
#262
On June 25 2013 11:48 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:40 vesicular wrote:
Still can not understand why people care if someone has "personality" or not. They're playing a game, not acting on Broadway.

Because everyone in the world ever likes to relate to their heroes. You can't relate to someone who is quite literally a robot that just plays the game and doesn't even acknowledge his fans.

That's why most heroes in action movies are usually portrayed as/by a Joe Everyman and not some mindless robot.


Guess I don't really care about the players as people, I just want to see good games. Same holds true for any sport really.
STX Fighting!
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
June 25 2013 03:00 GMT
#263
On June 25 2013 11:48 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:40 vesicular wrote:
Still can not understand why people care if someone has "personality" or not. They're playing a game, not acting on Broadway.

Because everyone in the world ever likes to relate to their heroes. You can't relate to someone who is quite literally a robot that just plays the game and doesn't even acknowledge his fans.

That's why most heroes in action movies are usually portrayed as/by a Joe Everyman and not some mindless robot.


what if your hero is a robot?
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
June 25 2013 03:03 GMT
#264
Wow he seems so boring person and honest one too lol. Thanks for the interview
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 03:10:50
June 25 2013 03:10 GMT
#265
finally, a player that doesn't give a fuck about "personality" or all that other silly stuff, completely devoted to starcraft. and brutally honest about the foreign scene too.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
June 25 2013 03:29 GMT
#266
Great interview, it's nice when players don't pander to foreign audiences just to gain fans. Innovation answered a lot of the questions honestly and I learned a bit about him.
TaNaa
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 03:41:06
June 25 2013 03:39 GMT
#267
Meh, this was boring to read. Interviewer trying to fish for certain answers and he just doesn't care that much about anything. Still, good player skill-wise and imho NOT overrated as some claim.
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
June 25 2013 03:40 GMT
#268
dude is cold-blooded
Do or do not; there is no try.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 03:43:36
June 25 2013 03:42 GMT
#269
On June 25 2013 11:54 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:48 Soap wrote:
This is one of the most disgusting threads I've read on TL.


One time, Charlie Murphy made a dick thread... :O


I can think of more, but you know what.. this isn't the right place or time.

On June 25 2013 11:08 lichter wrote:
Bogus interview, man

Gonna be hard to gain more fans with answers like that lol


Good thing he doesn't care what you or I or the next person think. Winning strategy yo. He's focused on the goal at hand.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 03:46:22
June 25 2013 03:45 GMT
#270
On June 25 2013 11:48 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:40 vesicular wrote:
Still can not understand why people care if someone has "personality" or not. They're playing a game, not acting on Broadway.

Because everyone in the world ever likes to relate to their heroes. You can't relate to someone who is quite literally a robot that just plays the game and doesn't even acknowledge his fans.

That's why most heroes in action movies are usually portrayed as/by a Joe Everyman and not some mindless robot.


not true. i think there's a place for someone who is just a fucking beast at what he does and doesn't give a fuck about all the other bullshit. innovation is definitely top 2 player and is just sick, i don't care what his favorite food is and if he likes to read the same books as me. i do care that he can flawlessly beat a code-s level terran and make him look like a bronze.
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
June 25 2013 03:52 GMT
#271
He is like a robot lol. That's what makes him one of the best macro terran!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 03:58:01
June 25 2013 03:57 GMT
#272
I truly admire this guy for his dedication, I wish I could be more like that (although not all the way lol)
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 25 2013 03:57 GMT
#273
On June 25 2013 12:10 Whatson wrote:
finally, a player that doesn't give a fuck about "personality" or all that other silly stuff, completely devoted to starcraft. and brutally honest about the foreign scene too.


Being honest and monotone is a personality. Just look at Chomsky.
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freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
June 25 2013 04:00 GMT
#274
Honey Badger terran laying the truth bare, he doesn't give a shit!
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Jaded.
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
June 25 2013 04:08 GMT
#275
Interesting read. From this interview Inno seems like a killing machine, focused only on killing, and how to kill better. Makes for and amazing player but not a great personality. I would love to hear more interviews with other Kespa pros, especially on their view of BW vs SC2.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. What I'm saying is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know that we don't know
Uzee13
Profile Joined June 2012
United States17 Posts
June 25 2013 04:10 GMT
#276
Well obviously through translation and reading it will be impossible to judge Innovation's personality.
Keep calm and carry on
IamHobbyless
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany29 Posts
June 25 2013 04:29 GMT
#277
I dont know, but somehow this interview made me sad :/
Stephano winning a cup souber isnt fun Stephano winning a cup drunk is a chellange -Stephano
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 25 2013 04:34 GMT
#278
On June 25 2013 12:42 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:54 Bagration wrote:
On June 25 2013 11:48 Soap wrote:
This is one of the most disgusting threads I've read on TL.


One time, Charlie Murphy made a dick thread... :O


I can think of more, but you know what.. this isn't the right place or time.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:08 lichter wrote:
Bogus interview, man

Gonna be hard to gain more fans with answers like that lol


Good thing he doesn't care what you or I or the next person think. Winning strategy yo. He's focused on the goal at hand.


I actually like his straightforward and serious personality. We all expect and demand something more interesting, and he's like, fuck it I should be practicing. I think it's hilarious. Especially all the arguments going on in the thread.

To be honest I just wanted an excuse to say "Bogus interview, man"
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Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 04:38:56
June 25 2013 04:38 GMT
#279
This guy doesn't give a fuck about not giving a fuck.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
June 25 2013 04:39 GMT
#280
Guys, don't assume that a person will reveal everything about themselves and what's inside in just one interview. When I read an interview like this, I think there are two takeaway points for me:

1) He seems pretty reserved in this interview; and
2) We don't have a full picture yet of what he's really like.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 25 2013 04:40 GMT
#281
i once made a joke that illusion is an american made terminator when he was practicing hard and streaming long hours in the ST house.

somehow i can't shake that memory reading this.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 25 2013 04:40 GMT
#282
Amazing interview! Innovation is truly a boss! He doesn't care much for watching vods of him losing, doesn't follow many tourneys, doesn't try to pander to his fans or hid his personality. Heck, he doesn't even want to go for oversea tournaments even though the competition should be easier than GSL and he could potentially make some easy money.

On top of all that, he believes he needs 3 championships to believe he is "good" and felt nothing after winning the first. His mind is always on starcraft except when he's not practicing and he enjoys going for walks(a rarity lol). All in all, a mechanical player who loves the game and is 100% dedicated to it and dedicating to making himself a name in Korea.

Only thing I found odd is his lack of love for BW. I mean, that's obviously ok but he's played that game for 3-4 years before SCII so I would figure he feels something for it but guess not lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Heartscry
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
June 25 2013 04:42 GMT
#283
Blimey, he didnt give the interviewer much to work with there. Nice work fom waxangel but what a tedious individual. Bordering on obnoxious in places.

Great player though, fair enough.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 25 2013 04:45 GMT
#284
On June 25 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote:
Only thing I found odd is his lack of love for BW. I mean, that's obviously ok but he's played that game for 3-4 years before SCII so I would figure he feels something for it but guess not lol.


Based on the interviews I've read, a lot of ex-BW pros actually really like SC2 and felt rejuvenated due to the switch (of course some don't). I don't know if it's just duty that requires them to say good things about SC2, but most pros have been very positive about it--much more positive than the community.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 25 2013 04:46 GMT
#285
On June 25 2013 13:42 Heartscry wrote:
Blimey, he didnt give the interviewer much to work with there. Nice work fom waxangel but what a tedious individual. Bordering on obnoxious in places.

Great player though, fair enough.


you have to remember that from a very young age, he's spent most of his life practicing in front of a computer. it takes a certain personality to be able to do that relentlessly.

it's why he's able to even get an interview.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 25 2013 04:49 GMT
#286
On June 25 2013 13:45 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote:
Only thing I found odd is his lack of love for BW. I mean, that's obviously ok but he's played that game for 3-4 years before SCII so I would figure he feels something for it but guess not lol.


Based on the interviews I've read, a lot of ex-BW pros actually really like SC2 and felt rejuvenated due to the switch (of course some don't). I don't know if it's just duty that requires them to say good things about SC2, but most pros have been very positive about it--much more positive than the community.


"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 25 2013 04:50 GMT
#287
Innovation is cool as fuck.
Heartscry
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
June 25 2013 04:52 GMT
#288
On June 25 2013 13:46 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 13:42 Heartscry wrote:
Blimey, he didnt give the interviewer much to work with there. Nice work fom waxangel but what a tedious individual. Bordering on obnoxious in places.

Great player though, fair enough.


you have to remember that from a very young age, he's spent most of his life practicing in front of a computer. it takes a certain personality to be able to do that relentlessly.

it's why he's able to even get an interview.


I'm aware of that, I can see he may lack the social skills to conduct a decent interview, but there are plenty of others who have done the same and at least give something back to the interviewer - particularly from a major foreign website that has used convoluted channels just to get the interview.

I can understand they reasons behind his lack of intrigue, but it doesn't make for pleasant reading.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 04:58:03
June 25 2013 04:56 GMT
#289
On June 25 2013 13:45 lichter wrote:
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On June 25 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote:
Only thing I found odd is his lack of love for BW. I mean, that's obviously ok but he's played that game for 3-4 years before SCII so I would figure he feels something for it but guess not lol.


Based on the interviews I've read, a lot of ex-BW pros actually really like SC2 and felt rejuvenated due to the switch (of course some don't). I don't know if it's just duty that requires them to say good things about SC2, but most pros have been very positive about it--much more positive than the community.

ya don't disagree. Fantasy believed that SCII suits his style much more than BW after he dismantled Nestea back when he first switched.

On June 25 2013 13:52 Heartscry wrote:
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On June 25 2013 13:46 Gamegene wrote:
On June 25 2013 13:42 Heartscry wrote:
Blimey, he didnt give the interviewer much to work with there. Nice work fom waxangel but what a tedious individual. Bordering on obnoxious in places.

Great player though, fair enough.


you have to remember that from a very young age, he's spent most of his life practicing in front of a computer. it takes a certain personality to be able to do that relentlessly.

it's why he's able to even get an interview.


I'm aware of that, I can see he may lack the social skills to conduct a decent interview, but there are plenty of others who have done the same and at least give something back to the interviewer - particularly from a major foreign website that has used convoluted channels just to get the interview.

I can understand they reasons behind his lack of intrigue, but it doesn't make for pleasant reading.

or maybe he just doesn't care much about the interview?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 25 2013 05:03 GMT
#290
Doesn't watch movies or TV but got his name from a K-Drama? Doesn't care about hellbats outside of TvT but used them extensively against Soulkey and sOs in his finals?

He actually DOES seem very concerned with image and what his fans think if he'll give answers like that.
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 25 2013 05:07 GMT
#291
I just noticed "inno" switched is "noni".
If you seek well, you shall find.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 25 2013 05:10 GMT
#292
On June 25 2013 14:03 jalstar wrote:
Doesn't watch movies or TV but got his name from a K-Drama? Doesn't care about hellbats outside of TvT but used them extensively against Soulkey and sOs in his finals?

He actually DOES seem very concerned with image and what his fans think if he'll give answers like that.


he never said he never watches. he probably watches a couple episodes if he's really bored occasionally. imo you're reading too much into this.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
June 25 2013 05:13 GMT
#293
On June 25 2013 14:03 jalstar wrote:
Doesn't watch movies or TV but got his name from a K-Drama? Doesn't care about hellbats outside of TvT but used them extensively against Soulkey and sOs in his finals?

He actually DOES seem very concerned with image and what his fans think if he'll give answers like that.


hellbats are just another strat in vp and vz. hellbat drop is the dominant strat in tvt.

he stated before in an interview that he isn't a very emotional person. its not surprising.

as for tv, i dont watch much either, i only watch GoT, and that's once a week for like 8 weeks.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 25 2013 05:36 GMT
#294
On June 25 2013 12:10 Whatson wrote:
finally, a player that doesn't give a fuck about "personality" or all that other silly stuff, completely devoted to starcraft. and brutally honest about the foreign scene too.

hard of him to give a fuck about personality since he seems to lack one

his social life must have been close to inexistent since he finished school probably

I guess he's still young so he'll grow up and change, but geez... poor guy
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
June 25 2013 05:51 GMT
#295
Love this dude...he just don't give a fuck,no emotions just smashing heads left and right.Good for him.
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 05:53:30
June 25 2013 05:53 GMT
#296
I don't care what his hobbies are as long as he plays SC2 as he does.

I don't want to be his friend.

I just want to watch him smash.

GG Innovation.
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
June 25 2013 05:54 GMT
#297
Definitely full introvert, but I can respect the guy for sure. Interesting that he never watches other people play/tournaments. I wonder if that's why it took him so long to get good, had to develop most things himself. Regardless, he's top of the line now and with that sort of dedicated personality I think he'll stay there for a while.
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 25 2013 05:54 GMT
#298
LOL, badass interview.

This guy is the SC2 version of terminator. He cares about kicking asses, fuck all the rest :D
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
June 25 2013 06:00 GMT
#299
Well.. He certainly seems determined...
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 25 2013 06:25 GMT
#300
Such a boring person...

Flash interviews are more fun!
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 25 2013 06:29 GMT
#301
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
June 25 2013 06:37 GMT
#302
Well, I hate the 'boring Korean' brand as much as anything but in this case... lol. What a calm, introverted guy. I'm not going to be too quick to bash him though, because at one point in my life, all I cared about was Runescape and BW, and that was literally it. So I'm sure in time, he'll open up, maybe not during his Starcraft career, but in time.

Pretty funny interview with how the questions kept trying to get something from him and he's just... -_-
I love crazymoving
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
June 25 2013 06:43 GMT
#303
The Russel Westbrook of SC2.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
June 25 2013 06:48 GMT
#304
Innovation confirmed robot.
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dase
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden7 Posts
June 25 2013 06:55 GMT
#305
I really like this guy now. He is kind of like NaNiwa in that he only really cares about his own play, he's just more calm and mannered.
Builds are for losers, timings are for men.
xgtx
Profile Joined February 2009
227 Posts
June 25 2013 07:14 GMT
#306
On June 25 2013 15:55 dase wrote:
I really like this guy now. He is kind of like NaNiwa in that he only really cares about his own play, he's just more calm and mannered.


comparing innovation to naniwa gave me shivers...
Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
June 25 2013 07:17 GMT
#307
Innovation's complete absence of emotion, IMO, actually gives him a great persona for casters and event organizers to build upon. When the foreign audience is clamoring for players who goes on wild parties or do backflips while using the restroom, this guy with the type of results he brings in can be THE incarnation of the 'faceless-no-personality-korean-pros'.

He can be the blank canvas for colorful players to contrast with.

Or the eraser that wipes them off the tourneys kekeke...
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
June 25 2013 07:35 GMT
#308
On June 25 2013 16:17 Gaizokubanou wrote:
Innovation's complete absence of emotion, IMO, actually gives him a great persona for casters and event organizers to build upon. When the foreign audience is clamoring for players who goes on wild parties or do backflips while using the restroom, this guy with the type of results he brings in can be THE incarnation of the 'faceless-no-personality-korean-pros'.

He can be the blank canvas for colorful players to contrast with.

Or the eraser that wipes them off the tourneys kekeke...

I don't think anyone anywhere has ever advocated anyone doing backflips while using the restroom. That would be very messy.
The frumious Bandersnatch
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 25 2013 07:35 GMT
#309
Any particular reasons StarCraft II has been better for you? What was holding you back in Brood War?

Production is easier, and I think it's a game based around micro and big engagements. Also, multi-tasking is a bit easier, so you can be more aggressive.

Since I'm a player who is very mechanics based, and I was very lacking in strategic and finesse elements in Brood War, StarCraft II has helped me in that regard. Players with good mechanics and fundamentals can put themselves in good situations, the game being fast paced and all.

Glad Bogus agrees with what I was saying when the Forbidden Debate was still allowed.
Not much to say apart from that.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 25 2013 07:38 GMT
#310
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


It makes no sense to say that all players are boring because of their profession when people are calling Innovation boring compared to any other player.
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TeveT
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden148 Posts
June 25 2013 07:57 GMT
#311
In the intro on the front page.. "Well, INnoVation doesn't think he is not just yet". Double negative!
glaresc
Profile Joined April 2012
31 Posts
June 25 2013 08:20 GMT
#312
Don't hate on him just because he is a machine and a mass nerderder, real champions have vespine gas pumping in their veins.
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
June 25 2013 08:25 GMT
#313
Gotta wonder what he's like on his days off. I bet its weird and sad knowing somebody like him, despite his incredible success. What's he going to be like when he's 40?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 25 2013 08:28 GMT
#314
On June 25 2013 15:37 Flonomenalz wrote:
Pretty funny interview with how the questions kept trying to get something from him and he's just... -_-


That was just awful on the interviewer's part imo.

"Hey what do you think about 'murica?"
"For realz now, what do you think about how cool we are? We are cool right?"
"Really man, you have nothing else to say?"
"Nothing at all?"
"Okay interview ends"

It was more painful than any of the answers.
Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
June 25 2013 08:35 GMT
#315
But after winning a championship, I didn't really feel anything, so I think I have to keep winning.


Stone cold killer.
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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
June 25 2013 08:39 GMT
#316
Gregg Popovich obviously learned something from Bogus about how to answer interview questions.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
June 25 2013 08:39 GMT
#317
LOL i like how pl are calling him boring. Hes a progamer....i like how he doesnt give a fuck about all of u lol
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 25 2013 08:48 GMT
#318
On June 25 2013 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


It makes no sense to say that all players are boring because of their profession when people are calling Innovation boring compared to any other player.

I did not say all players, but I'd note that those two statements do not contradict one another either.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 08:52:31
June 25 2013 08:50 GMT
#319
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


Well I hope you're still very young, because if you consider the epitome of cool to be "drinking, partying and occasionaly having sex" passed 20, I guess you must be pretty boring too.
As everyone in this thread who believes that not liking TV and preferring to walk makes you dull.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
June 25 2013 08:55 GMT
#320
On June 25 2013 03:11 monsta wrote:
not bad but still he is kinda overrated..


2nd in Code S then following up with 1st in the Finals

Overrated how exactly?
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 25 2013 09:00 GMT
#321
On June 25 2013 17:50 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


Well I hope you're still very young, because if you consider the epitome of cool to be "drinking, partying and occasionaly having sex" passed 20, I guess you must be pretty boring too.

I never said drinking, partying and sex are the epitome of cool. Not that I find anything wrong with that Simply that Innovation's life appears to be single-mindedly focused on one objective, which is playing and winning at Starcraft to the exclusion of most everything else.

By most people's standards, including my own, that is quite a dull life. But please don't think I'm judging Innovation. I respect him for his choices, I respect him for the success he's had and the ridiculous ease with which he stomps nerds into the ground who also play 12 hours a day. I respect the way that he plays terran at 500APM, multitasking 10 things at once in a way I could never hope to emulate to be quite remarkable. I merely find the total lack of irony in the monotony of his responses make him such a poor interview that it actually becomes quite funny.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 09:24:17
June 25 2013 09:01 GMT
#322
Interesting questions, but boring answers xd
Bogus has not the charism of formers BW champions.
Thank you for the interview and the translation !
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 25 2013 09:21 GMT
#323
I don't mind his attitude but players like Firebathero is of course a lot more fun
BillClinton
Profile Joined November 2009
232 Posts
June 25 2013 09:24 GMT
#324
I like watching his games but still losing a game after a 3:0 lead is not very robot like.
Before you judge sth, keep in mind that the less you know about sth, the more that what you think or pretend to know about it, it says about yourself and your environment.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 25 2013 09:25 GMT
#325
the more i think about this, the more i feel like it should be obvious that such a great player doesn't really have time to do anything except play starcraft, eat, think about starcraft, talk about starcraft, and sleep. but even so, and no matter how much i love starcraft, i can't imagine living like that. this actually makes me feel bad for all the guys that train as much as Innovation. i mean, sure, he gets a lot of money and fame and respect (well, considering he's in e-sports), but that gotta be dull as hell. imagine just staring at your computer literally _all day_ _every day_. and it's more than that, you HAVE to do it because otherwise you're gonna be out of a job, or at least your skill will decrease and your coach will not be happy with you.

living like this just cannot be healthy. professional athletes don't train 12 hours every day, why do starcraft players?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
June 25 2013 09:41 GMT
#326
He's probably the best player in the world, so ofc ill watch, but in all honesty wouldn't care too much about meeting him
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 25 2013 09:46 GMT
#327
On June 25 2013 17:48 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


It makes no sense to say that all players are boring because of their profession when people are calling Innovation boring compared to any other player.

I did not say all players, but I'd note that those two statements do not contradict one another either.


All Kespa players practice 10+ hours a day, and probably most ESF players do as well. If you say that they're boring because of the amount of practice they do and how little time they have for anything else, then you're essentially saying that they're all boring. Other top player's interviews are often interesting, and they practice just as much as Innovation.
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 25 2013 10:05 GMT
#328
He's a really good player but next time someone interviews him they should see if he can pass the Voight-Kampff test.
There's no S in KT. :P
Nyvis
Profile Joined November 2012
France284 Posts
June 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#329
On June 25 2013 18:46 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 17:48 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On June 25 2013 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


It makes no sense to say that all players are boring because of their profession when people are calling Innovation boring compared to any other player.

I did not say all players, but I'd note that those two statements do not contradict one another either.


All Kespa players practice 10+ hours a day, and probably most ESF players do as well. If you say that they're boring because of the amount of practice they do and how little time they have for anything else, then you're essentially saying that they're all boring. Other top player's interviews are often interesting, and they practice just as much as Innovation.


The problem is bigger with innovation: even his starcraft is ultra standard and reflects his "boringness": purely mechanical. The guy could be a robot, as far as we know. Don't get me wrong, he is really good, and the amount of dedication he puts in the game is awesome, but even if he had more time, I'm pretty sure he would have a boring life. A good thing for him he went into starcraft because it allows him to at least do something interesting and appear somewhere.

A lot of very good progamer are way more interesting as persons, but they are often older, with more confidence in themselves, allowing them to develop a "starcraft personality". I'm pretty sure Flash is an interesting person. So much exposure and thought put into it have to forge a personality. But Innovation have been a tier 2 player for so long, and a top tier player for only a few month, so he haven't been able to develop a front figure personality yet. And I'm not sure he will, seeing how he seems not to care. But look at some players like MC, who have a clear, distinct personality, while still having practised all day long and dedicated to their careers.

There is a ton of players that aren't that boring. But you're probably right, boring goes well with mechanically perfect. Progamers with an interesting personality are more often the more stylistic ones.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 25 2013 10:31 GMT
#330
On June 25 2013 18:46 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 17:48 Evil_Sheep wrote:
On June 25 2013 16:38 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 25 2013 15:29 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This is a great interview, made me laugh.

"Do you like TV or movies?" "No."
"Do you like to do anything besides Starcraft?" "Umm...I go for walks."
"How was travelling to America?" "I didn't gain anything."
"But were the fans good?" "I didn't notice them."
"You have a lot of fans, how do you feel about that?" "I don't know."
"So your main goal is to win championships?" "Yes."
"So you must have felt happy when you won your first championship?" "I didn't feel anything."
"Anything you'd like your fans to know about you?" "No."
"Nothing?" "Uhhh..."
"Who do you hang out with?" "Um, mostly Coach Calm."
"You don't say....."

Everyone says he's boring, well what did you expect? To get to that level in starcraft you have to play 12 hours a day, every day of your life, adding up to thousands and thousands of hours of repetitive, monotonous practice. These guys don't have time for girlfriends, they are married to their keyboards. The ones who want to go out drink, party, have girlfriends and have a life, you don't hear about them, and there's a reason.

I'd suspect most sc2 players are pretty "boring" IRL, even the foreigners, it goes with the territory. And Innovation is the best of them all, he's the King of the Nerds, it makes sense that he is the most boring of them all too.


It makes no sense to say that all players are boring because of their profession when people are calling Innovation boring compared to any other player.

I did not say all players, but I'd note that those two statements do not contradict one another either.


All Kespa players practice 10+ hours a day, and probably most ESF players do as well. If you say that they're boring because of the amount of practice they do and how little time they have for anything else, then you're essentially saying that they're all boring. Other top player's interviews are often interesting, and they practice just as much as Innovation.

Yes, I would (and did) say most top players are boring interviews, and tend to repeat the same things over and over again, particularly Koreans. But there are exceptions, and I would note you don't have to be an interesting person to say something interesting. Personally I don't follow Starcraft for its rather quiet, reserved personalities and I don't really give a damn if they are boring people or not. It just tickles me to read an interview from a stone-cold killer like Innovation who takes the "Korean robot" cliche virtually to an artform.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 11:21:21
June 25 2013 11:21 GMT
#331
I don't want to criticize his choices, but I just wonder what this guy will do when his career necessarily begins to decline, he seems to have no other interest in life other than being the best starcraft player in the world.
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
June 25 2013 11:27 GMT
#332
On June 25 2013 03:05 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

sOs mentioned that he checks out community forums in between games to see what people are saying. Do you do that too?

I don't really read the forums that much. I don't think I have anything to gain from reading people's reactions to me.

Isn't it nice though, to read praise when you've played a good game?

It does feel good, but I don't think that will help me in terms of playing the game itself.

</div></div><div id="Newsfooter">
Interview: Waxangel
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photos: GomTV and Silverfire
Editor: Waxangel
Special Thanks: Blizzard Korea and Jeong Seung Hyun
</div>


Take that TL forumers, lol.
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
June 25 2013 11:39 GMT
#333
The guy is a hero. You'd figure his play would come off as more innovative, for lack of a better word, given his isolated nature. I'm surprised more of the top players aren't like him. I'm more of a fan of him than before, although I always loved his prior interviews and humble nature. Too many pros are too cocky when they have won. And a lot of the cocky pros end up becoming just another Korean, and their personality is probably a part of it.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 25 2013 11:54 GMT
#334
On June 25 2013 20:27 Rammstorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:05 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

sOs mentioned that he checks out community forums in between games to see what people are saying. Do you do that too?

I don't really read the forums that much. I don't think I have anything to gain from reading people's reactions to me.

Isn't it nice though, to read praise when you've played a good game?

It does feel good, but I don't think that will help me in terms of playing the game itself.

</div></div><div id="Newsfooter">
Interview: Waxangel
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photos: GomTV and Silverfire
Editor: Waxangel
Special Thanks: Blizzard Korea and Jeong Seung Hyun
</div>


Take that TL forumers, lol.


Probably his English is not that good to follow a forum like TL and he is in a state that he wouldn't gain anything reading the actual forum itself even if it would be a Korean. I don't blame him for not following community forums rather playing games.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
June 25 2013 12:04 GMT
#335
Bogus is the true alphamale, he simply does not care about the profane life of others and his only determination is to crush nerds.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
June 25 2013 12:12 GMT
#336
I kinda like how he doesn't care about fans and is focused on his play. No fake "I want to thank my fans, I will practice even harder to show better results for you."

I don't think it's cockiness either. He just doesn't want to pretend.

There were some really interesting tidbits there too, like his comments on the GSL final or why it's harder to stop all-ins in televised games than in practice.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
LOGMATHR
Profile Joined April 2013
30 Posts
June 25 2013 12:18 GMT
#337
This kinda attitude might be dissapointing for a spectator. But if you are a competitor, this scares you. Like a Stephano but with extreme work ethics.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 25 2013 12:19 GMT
#338
I haven't watched a game of him in the past months, but from this interview, I can say that he is boring and a bit cocky, but hey.. PartinG is PartinG.
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
June 25 2013 12:42 GMT
#339
On June 25 2013 07:41 Vanadium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 06:50 sd_andeh wrote:
On June 25 2013 06:31 Vanadium wrote:
Cool interview, guy's a robot :D

I like Innovation mostly for his play, so I can't say I'll cheer for him much in the future if his skill level drops, unlike say, Beesuit.

Also, such a contrast with Soulkey, who, at least for me, got a lot of brownie points after his interviews with Chobra and Daypollo.


Is there any video of that? The Soulkey interviews, I mean?


Found 'em :D

Soulkey Interviews with Chobra, Day[9], and Apollo:
Day 2: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_osl/b/414006806?t=105m42s&initial_time=6342

Day 3: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_osl/b/414479387?t=291m51s&initial_time=17511

They are quite lengthy and a bit silly. Also, Day 2 interview also takes place during the Alicia v sOs game.


I gotta say, Chobra is the absolute best translator I ever saw.
Information is everything
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 25 2013 12:46 GMT
#340
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?
duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
June 25 2013 12:53 GMT
#341
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 25 2013 13:00 GMT
#342
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 25 2013 13:00 GMT
#343
Pretty dull interview... but they can't all be MCs or FBHs.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
June 25 2013 13:07 GMT
#344
Rather than thinking innovation is boring, this interview actually told me that he is a nice guy, and that he seems to invest more time in doing stuff with other people than watching some lame TV shows. He just doesn't seem the guy that has to demand attention to feel good about himself, which I like.
GL999et1000
Profile Joined December 2012
France229 Posts
June 25 2013 13:11 GMT
#345
Pretty funny guy.
P: PartinG,Rain,sOs | T: Dream, Maru,Fantasy | Z: Life, SoO, Leenock | Micro for the win! | Warcraft 3 always in my heart !
duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
June 25 2013 13:11 GMT
#346
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


The interview just stated that he does sometimes play badminton and obviously does from time to time watch TV and whatnot, so yeah playing is not literally the only thing he does. He just obviously doesn't have much time to spend doing anything exciting is my point, which I find pretty normal considering his circumstances.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 13:17:39
June 25 2013 13:17 GMT
#347
I'm pretty sure most of the really high class gamers have a sort of personality that atleast cares to a certain extents about fans, traveling or anything else except their own game. Tbh, Bogus sounds really horrible as a rolemodel with the star level he has reach at this moment. I really hope he gets some attitude changes or coaching if he plans to stay on top of the HoTS thorne. If not, I wouldn't say this is good for e-sports. Players like Jaedong, Bisu and Flash had probably the same kind of boring "attitude" to some extent, but they still remained professional and appricative to all the fans. This interview is just lame...
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 25 2013 13:17 GMT
#348
On June 25 2013 22:11 duckmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


The interview just stated that he does sometimes play badminton and obviously does from time to time watch TV and whatnot, so yeah playing is not literally the only thing he does. He just obviously doesn't have much time to spend doing anything exciting is my point, which I find pretty normal considering his circumstances.

Idk, just seems weird to me that it looks like he has nothing else he enjoys doing besides playing SC2. Maybe you're right, maybe he just doesn't have time. Whatever his circumstances are, I at least hope he is having a happy life.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
June 25 2013 13:18 GMT
#349
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


watching TV/movies is a hobby?

Is eating food a hobby too?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 25 2013 13:27 GMT
#350
On June 25 2013 22:18 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


watching TV/movies is a hobby?

Is eating food a hobby too?

Yes, why wouldn't it be a hobby?
Hobby
Noun
1. An activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
2. A migratory Old World falcon (genus Falco) with long narrow wings, catching dragonflies and birds on the wing. (lol)
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 25 2013 13:50 GMT
#351
On June 25 2013 22:18 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


watching TV/movies is a hobby?

Is eating food a hobby too?

How is watching movies not a hobby?
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
June 25 2013 14:03 GMT
#352
Now I like Bogus even more... We has the same personality :x
@taefoxy
Left hand
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland133 Posts
June 25 2013 14:32 GMT
#353
On June 25 2013 22:27 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:18 ref4 wrote:
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


watching TV/movies is a hobby?

Is eating food a hobby too?

Yes, why wouldn't it be a hobby?
Hobby
Noun
1. An activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
2. A migratory Old World falcon (genus Falco) with long narrow wings, catching dragonflies and birds on the wing. (lol)


How is it a more exciting hobby than going for walks or playing badminton though?
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 14:50:57
June 25 2013 14:50 GMT
#354
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.

Mindset of a champion.
The very best in every competitive discipline are the ones who devote themselves the most and trade their social life (or a huge part of it) for championships.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
June 25 2013 14:56 GMT
#355
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


It sounds like you are angry because some guy on the other side of the earth has no life. Wat.
Epamynondas
Profile Joined September 2012
387 Posts
June 25 2013 15:15 GMT
#356
I love this.

Innovation doesn't give a fuck if you think he's boring.

Innovation just doesn't have fucks to give.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 25 2013 15:30 GMT
#357
Why do you guys insist that INnoVation has no personality. This is the most interesting and direct thing I have ever heard from Korean progamers. Unless you want silly tired schtick like those from EG? That's what you mean by personality?
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
June 25 2013 15:34 GMT
#358
On June 25 2013 03:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Lee Shin Hyung is... The World's Most Boring Man.

"I don't always play Starcraft, but when I don't, I don't think about anything."


"I don't always take breaks from Starcraft, but when I do, I go for walks"
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
June 25 2013 15:36 GMT
#359
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


They really don't.

Flash slept 3 hours a day and played nearly every waking minute of his life playing Starcraft and when he couldn't play Starcraft he would think about Starcraft.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 25 2013 15:44 GMT
#360
what an awesome guy
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
June 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#361
On June 26 2013 00:36 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


They really don't.

Flash slept 3 hours a day and played nearly every waking minute of his life playing Starcraft and when he couldn't play Starcraft he would think about Starcraft.

Wrong, he actually spends those 3 hours lying on his bed theorycrafting.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
gmarshall
Profile Joined June 2013
United States11 Posts
June 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#362
After reading this interview, I can't tell if Innovation is a robot or a zen master. Since none of the robots I know enjoy going for walks, I guess I'll have to go with zen master.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
June 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#363
On June 26 2013 00:36 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


They really don't.

Flash slept 3 hours a day and played nearly every waking minute of his life playing Starcraft and when he couldn't play Starcraft he would think about Starcraft.

Plenty of progamers workout or play football etc...
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 25 2013 15:56 GMT
#364
Well, he does walk out.
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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 25 2013 15:59 GMT
#365
You guys are jealous because Bogus IS a bad mofo when it comes to the game, while pseudo e-bad guys like Idra and Naniwa were always pushovers compared to top korean pros.

Bogus doesn't waste his precious time with trashtalking or other useless bullshit, he delivers, wins championships and collect teh $$$, leaving the cool kids scrapping in the group stages for 250 bucks.

All kidding aside, I feel it's pretty refreshing to see someone like him in the scene. I was really tired of seeing fake smacktalking and nerds trying so hard to get an attitude just to look cool on the picture.

Being a pro isn't cool, you play 10h a day and in the end you play to make a living, not to become a poster boy.

GoGo Terminator Terran ! Lay waste on the hipsters !
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
June 25 2013 16:02 GMT
#366
Innovation doesn't give a F*ck

Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
June 25 2013 16:11 GMT
#367
On June 26 2013 00:59 ChApFoU wrote:
Being a pro isn't cool, you play 10h a day and in the end you play to make a living, not to become a poster boy.

Tell that to people like BoxeR, NaDa, Bisu, Jaedong and Stork etc. Being a "poster boy" can give you some real nice commercial money you know.
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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 16:29:47
June 25 2013 16:28 GMT
#368
On June 26 2013 00:59 ChApFoU wrote:
You guys are jealous because Bogus IS a bad mofo when it comes to the game, while pseudo e-bad guys like Idra and Naniwa were always pushovers compared to top korean pros.

Bogus doesn't waste his precious time with trashtalking or other useless bullshit, he delivers, wins championships and collect teh $$$, leaving the cool kids scrapping in the group stages for 250 bucks.

All kidding aside, I feel it's pretty refreshing to see someone like him in the scene. I was really tired of seeing fake smacktalking and nerds trying so hard to get an attitude just to look cool on the picture.

Being a pro isn't cool, you play 10h a day and in the end you play to make a living, not to become a poster boy.

GoGo Terminator Terran ! Lay waste on the hipsters !

...Or you could be really good, play 10 hours a day, and still have a personality? It's not either/or, you know. They're not mutually exclusive. Flash works harder than anyone and is one of the best, but he gives great interviews, is fun, intelligent, eloquent, interesting, has many hobbies (even if, sadly he doesn't always have the time for them), and he lets his fans know how much he appreciates them.
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Pockmark
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom23 Posts
June 25 2013 16:30 GMT
#369
What a legend.

What do I care if hes boring or not, Im not gonna meet him or go for a beer, as long as he continues providing fucking awesome matches and providing great viewing, he could eat puppies for all I care.

Long live Innovation!
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
June 25 2013 16:48 GMT
#370
I predict he becomes a popular korean analytical caster for SC3
When cats speak, mice listen.
CapTanObviOs
Profile Joined September 2011
United States52 Posts
June 25 2013 17:06 GMT
#371
Honestly, I don't know how many people share my opinion, but I abhor the drama and just want to see the best games! This guy stands for that!
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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 25 2013 17:28 GMT
#372
On June 26 2013 01:28 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 00:59 ChApFoU wrote:
You guys are jealous because Bogus IS a bad mofo when it comes to the game, while pseudo e-bad guys like Idra and Naniwa were always pushovers compared to top korean pros.

Bogus doesn't waste his precious time with trashtalking or other useless bullshit, he delivers, wins championships and collect teh $$$, leaving the cool kids scrapping in the group stages for 250 bucks.

All kidding aside, I feel it's pretty refreshing to see someone like him in the scene. I was really tired of seeing fake smacktalking and nerds trying so hard to get an attitude just to look cool on the picture.

Being a pro isn't cool, you play 10h a day and in the end you play to make a living, not to become a poster boy.

GoGo Terminator Terran ! Lay waste on the hipsters !

...Or you could be really good, play 10 hours a day, and still have a personality? It's not either/or, you know. They're not mutually exclusive. Flash works harder than anyone and is one of the best, but he gives great interviews, is fun, intelligent, eloquent, interesting, has many hobbies (even if, sadly he doesn't always have the time for them), and he lets his fans know how much he appreciates them.


Flash fanboy much ? :p

Ok I know I was kinda pushing it but I don't feel that Flash has a ton of charisma either, he's famous and loved first and foremost because he was and still is an incredibly skilled player.

I just feel that a lot of ppl in the scene try too hard to be cool and be loved and are pushed in that direction by esports fans. That doesn't mean you have to force yourself to be shy and quiet if it's not your personality of course. The best thing is to keep it natural and it makes you stay real.

That's why I felt it was pretty unfair that Innovation got so much criticism. I force no one to be a fan of his, I just think you cannot rightfully say "He SHOULD have sounded like this or that in his interview"
He's a shy and simple guy, dedicated to what he does best, It's his personnality, don't hate him for that (I'm not targeting you in particular, I just saw quite a few posts that were pretty lame IMHO).

Besides, not being super original or outspoken or socially skilled doesn't mean you don't have a personality, Having a strong/charismatic personality is but one "mode" of personality in general.
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Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
June 25 2013 18:46 GMT
#373
I think Flash had most personality on that 'not impressed' meme.

...

Actually, that's exactly what Innovation needs, a meme about his 'I don't give a *%&! and I will win it all' attitude. But then again, he would need to show some emotion in the first place.

On slightly more serious tone, I still think his complete dedication to winning matches is so alien that it makes for great character for casters to compare more eccentric personalities to.

Can the party boy "insert generic BM foreign player" beat the machine, the stone cold killer who didn't even feel a thing when he won the season 1 final? The man who eats, sleep, might take a walk then plays StarCraft all day? Very easy to setup Innovation as the titan, the unmovable obstacle, when he does interviews like these and bring in the results that he does.
arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
June 25 2013 18:51 GMT
#374
Actually some answers are quite likeable. Straight to the point, no fluffy talk. Gogo bogus.
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Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
June 25 2013 20:50 GMT
#375
omg. I would never have thought that he is such a boring person :D
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Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
June 25 2013 21:07 GMT
#376
but during WoL I did think sometimes that if I had played Zerg I could have done well.

That wasn't very subtle ;D
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 25 2013 21:20 GMT
#377
Not sure if this interview made him many more fans... o_O But I guess he doesn't care much anyway.
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syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
June 25 2013 21:22 GMT
#378
Ahah questions are as long as answers.
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
June 26 2013 00:59 GMT
#379
It's a good thing I like him due to the way he plays not for his charisma. Because he has none.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 26 2013 01:11 GMT
#380
On June 26 2013 00:36 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:00 IMoperator wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:53 duckmaster wrote:
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


what do you think other progamers do, party every night after practicing for 12 hours, cause fuck sleep right? What I've heard the best ones devote even the little freetime they have for practice

Believe it or not, progamers are human and do other things besides starcraft. Weird concept, I know. I guarantee you that you could ask any progamer what they do when they're not playing sc2, and they'll say things like watching tv/movies, playing other games, cooking, reading books, etc. you know, other hobbies? Even in Kespa teams, I doubt everyone on those teams ONLY practice and sleep. Just because you've heard that the pros in Korea play a lot of sc doesn't mean that's literally the only thing they ever do.


They really don't.

Flash slept 3 hours a day and played nearly every waking minute of his life playing Starcraft and when he couldn't play Starcraft he would think about Starcraft.


He didn't regularly sleep 3 hours a day. He just did sometimes before big matches like finals.
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MercurialVanjal
Profile Joined January 2013
14 Posts
June 26 2013 03:16 GMT
#381
honesy guy, i love this kind of person
Parting,Hero,Bomber
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 26 2013 04:52 GMT
#382
Well, it is nice to be able to read through that rather quickly, not much in terms of response length.
I did enjoy it and i do like him more now, although i am not sure why. I guess it is just becuase his lack of enthusiasm gave me nothing to dislike.. i guess.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
June 26 2013 06:34 GMT
#383
wow awesome!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 06:45:32
June 26 2013 06:44 GMT
#384
Innovation in a nutshell: "I want to win." As a fan, I'd love to be loved more : (

But it's a refreshment not to read those standard "Cheer for me, me fighting, blabla" things.
zmsFlood
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 08:44:23
June 26 2013 08:43 GMT
#385
I think it's great that we have different types of players and personalities in the sport. Not everyone needs to be funny like MC, bm like IdrA or whatever. While InNoVation may not be the most exciting personality, he has a humble attitude towards a game that he really wants to be the best at and I can totally respect that. The only thing that worries me is that judging by this interview he really doesn't seem to enjoy winning a championship as much as you'd expect. I truly hope he gets enough fullfillment when he himself thinks he's the best player in the world to keep going. Ultimately, I think that will be the case, I guess you don't need to enjoy the tournament wins if you really just enjoy being the best.
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Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
June 26 2013 09:02 GMT
#386
This guy is just awkward.
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freeAll
Profile Joined May 2013
34 Posts
June 26 2013 09:02 GMT
#387
I already translated that into chinese
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
June 26 2013 09:07 GMT
#388
It seems like whatever they ask, he simply responds "no, I don't .." regardless of the question.

But kind of funny and nice to see interviews.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 09:09:59
June 26 2013 09:09 GMT
#389
On June 26 2013 09:59 Aserrin wrote:
It's a good thing I like him due to the way he plays not for his charisma. Because he has none.

Not really, he has that charismatic stare which is rather sexy (cakegirl approves)
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mihajovics
Profile Joined April 2011
179 Posts
June 26 2013 09:45 GMT
#390
boring guy... to bad, still a fan though
Gben592
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom281 Posts
June 26 2013 10:56 GMT
#391
On June 25 2013 21:46 IMoperator wrote:
also, maybe he has some sort of social phobia or disorder or something :l

honestly, it's not very normal for someone to complete neglect every other aspect of life in order to become the best at one thing. Sure, he's an amazing starcraft player, but besides that, what does he do? He goes on walks? Don't you guys think that's at least a little sad?


MMmm, He seems to be pretty content with it all, so I don't think it's sad
"The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now." INnoVation
GnoM
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway145 Posts
June 26 2013 13:11 GMT
#392
One of the best Ts around atm.

Nice intervju Waxangel.
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
June 26 2013 13:34 GMT
#393
Ok, so his responses were slightly bland, thats fine, its not the standard response, at least he was honest and up front about it. He plays to win at all costs. To be fair i really enjoyed reading this interview.
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 14:19:05
June 26 2013 14:18 GMT
#394
Great interview attempt ... I guess :D

Innovation seems to be kind of a robot: playing, eating, sleeping, no emotions, no empathy created ... just SC2. This sure seems to bring some good results gamewise but does it make him an interesting character? Not really ...

I feel the exact same way about Innovation after reading that interview than I did before ... and It's not the interviewer's fault
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
June 26 2013 14:23 GMT
#395
There's word that the Hellbat might get nerfed. Players like Flash have said that this is a change that must not be made. What are your thoughts?

Lost all respect for Flash right there
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
June 26 2013 18:05 GMT
#396
Idk whats the deal with people talking about how boring this was. It was a good interview, I particularly like his thoughts on how his 'mediocre' play during BW was just part of the process of becoming a good player. A lot of people seem to be reading the interviews and not comprehending what they're reading.

Also the interview questions were pretty poor...

"Isn't it nice though, to read praise when you've played a good game?"
Interviewer is asking the same question as before a second time trying to get a different answer.

"A lot of foreign players say they at least make sure to rewatch the games they've won. How about you?"

Third variation of a question this time poised as everyone else vs him.

"Some players like to keep up on a lot of tournaments, whether they're Korean or international. How about you? Do you watch a lot of games?"
Another dividing question.

"So your main goal then, all it is is winning championships?"
Dripping in a 'that's it?' tone.

Overall I think that what people are finding 'boring' about him is the fact that he doesn't have the same interests as them. He's not interested in TV shows, movies or pop culture in general. He is interested in walks. I personally think people who enjoy walking are more interesting than those who enjoy watching TV shows.
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
June 26 2013 19:04 GMT
#397
Lol this guy sounds like the F1 driver Kimi Raikkonen.

Anything you'd like the fans to know about you?

No, nothing, in particular.

Nothing?

Uh, not really.

Too funny lol.
In the rear with the gear!
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 26 2013 19:29 GMT
#398
On June 26 2013 23:23 Soda-88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
There's word that the Hellbat might get nerfed. Players like Flash have said that this is a change that must not be made. What are your thoughts?

Lost all respect for Flash right there


Why, he is right. The game is extremely balanced as is.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
June 26 2013 20:18 GMT
#399
On June 27 2013 04:29 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 23:23 Soda-88 wrote:
There's word that the Hellbat might get nerfed. Players like Flash have said that this is a change that must not be made. What are your thoughts?

Lost all respect for Flash right there


Why, he is right. The game is extremely balanced as is.


Yeah, it is not Hellbats that necessarily need a change (note: change does not directly mean nerf). It is the combination of Hellbats and Speedivacs that is just silly.
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liatis
Profile Joined May 2013
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:37:26
June 26 2013 20:37 GMT
#400
Wow why did he not just say: I am the most boring individual in the world and will not say anything interesting and have done with the interview.

Lame robot
lithyeld
Profile Joined October 2011
France13 Posts
June 26 2013 21:21 GMT
#401
Sure, he is being dull and self-depreciatory in this interview.
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But sometimes honesty is precious. He is basically saying he is winning in SC2 because it is all about mechanics, microing big engagements, and no strategic finesse is involved, contrary to Broodwar.

Good to hear this truth from (one of) the best performing SC2 player !
nuogaiyen
Profile Joined May 2012
United States42 Posts
June 26 2013 21:25 GMT
#402
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 26 2013 21:27 GMT
#403
People like Innovation are introverts. (well duh, yeah?)
My point is, these interview questions sucked for a personality like that. What are your hobbies? Who do you hang out with? Do you like TV? -.-

Ask him about his philosophy of life. Ask him about his country of South Korea and tension with North Korea. Introverts have a developed inner world, you just need to know how to reach it. Sorry Wax, but IMO almost no person is boring, if it seems that way, the interviewer failed. Everyone has something that makes him tick, and gives him passion, you just gotta undig it.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
June 26 2013 21:32 GMT
#404
On June 27 2013 06:27 niteReloaded wrote:
Everyone has something that makes him tick, and gives him passion, you just gotta undig it.

Pretty much this ^^
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lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
June 26 2013 21:50 GMT
#405
21 pages and going for a really "boring person".
nuogaiyen
Profile Joined May 2012
United States42 Posts
June 26 2013 21:55 GMT
#406
Boobies make me tick, maybe innovation feels the same way hah.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 26 2013 22:32 GMT
#407
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
June 26 2013 22:50 GMT
#408
On June 27 2013 07:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?

Yeah I'm introvert and have friends that are introverts too and we have tons of hobbies and interests. Not sure what everyone is on about with introversion being the same as shy and shallow. It has nothing to do with Bogus being a boring dude.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 26 2013 22:51 GMT
#409
On June 27 2013 07:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?

Imo Innovation is a super cool human. But the interview was not tailored well to his personality. It's like you talked to Tesla about football and what he thinks the best play of the season was? He'd reply 'i don't care, I don't watch football'. Then you ask about girls and he replies he's celibate for life. You'd think he's a weirdo and boring, and the guy is chaining lightings.

I just get a feeling Innovation's mind is super sharp, he has his own approach to life and isn't affected much by other people's opinions. A big chance was wasted by asking 'wrong' questions.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
June 27 2013 00:50 GMT
#410
The caption on that first picture is too funny, lol!
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 27 2013 05:34 GMT
#411
Im still surprised he admitted to disliking BW. I was expecting a few kespa pros to say that, but Bogus was a really strong player, and for him to say that is a bit revealing to how the pros really felt, now that BW has ended.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 27 2013 05:50 GMT
#412
On June 27 2013 14:34 docvoc wrote:
Im still surprised he admitted to disliking BW. I was expecting a few kespa pros to say that, but Bogus was a really strong player, and for him to say that is a bit revealing to how the pros really felt, now that BW has ended.

I'm actually not surprised to hear him say that. I recall reading one or two BW interviews a while back where the players question their passion for the game. No matter how fun the game, the jump between it being a hobby and it being a job will strain one's enjoyment of it over time. I wouldn't be surprised to see players question their enjoyment when facing losses or slumps, and though Bogus was a strong player with a lot of potential in BW, he wasn't quite TBLS level which might be connected to whatever frustrations he had with the game or his personal performance in it.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 27 2013 06:40 GMT
#413
On June 27 2013 14:34 docvoc wrote:
Im still surprised he admitted to disliking BW. I was expecting a few kespa pros to say that, but Bogus was a really strong player, and for him to say that is a bit revealing to how the pros really felt, now that BW has ended.


Not really. It's revealing as to how he felt, not anybody else. Particularly since one of the main reasons he gave is the fact that he's so much more accomplished in Starcraft 2.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 27 2013 06:43 GMT
#414
On June 27 2013 07:51 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 07:32 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?

Imo Innovation is a super cool human. But the interview was not tailored well to his personality. It's like you talked to Tesla about football and what he thinks the best play of the season was? He'd reply 'i don't care, I don't watch football'. Then you ask about girls and he replies he's celibate for life. You'd think he's a weirdo and boring, and the guy is chaining lightings.

I just get a feeling Innovation's mind is super sharp, he has his own approach to life and isn't affected much by other people's opinions. A big chance was wasted by asking 'wrong' questions.


On what are you basing this? He essentially says that he has no interests outside of Starcraft 2 and isn't active socially. Outside of questions regarding Starcraft 2 strategy or something, what can you really ask him to make him sound interesting?
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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
June 27 2013 06:53 GMT
#415
On June 27 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:
Outside of questions regarding Starcraft 2 strategy or something, what can you really ask him to make him sound interesting?

Ask him what makes him really angry in life (or the world)? Ask him about his family. Ask him more about what it's like growing up as the eldest in his family and having that many siblings. Ask him...
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mostwanted
Profile Joined March 2011
83 Posts
June 27 2013 07:41 GMT
#416
ask him if he can beat IDRA in BO5
mostwanted
Profile Joined March 2011
83 Posts
June 27 2013 08:06 GMT
#417
Fact is, we all have that one friend who personality is just like INnoVation
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2013 08:17 GMT
#418
Some day we might have interviews of public celebrity personalities that involve questions about their personal philosophy and world view, some day...
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 27 2013 09:03 GMT
#419
On June 27 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 07:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On June 27 2013 07:32 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?

Imo Innovation is a super cool human. But the interview was not tailored well to his personality. It's like you talked to Tesla about football and what he thinks the best play of the season was? He'd reply 'i don't care, I don't watch football'. Then you ask about girls and he replies he's celibate for life. You'd think he's a weirdo and boring, and the guy is chaining lightings.

I just get a feeling Innovation's mind is super sharp, he has his own approach to life and isn't affected much by other people's opinions. A big chance was wasted by asking 'wrong' questions.


On what are you basing this? He essentially says that he has no interests outside of Starcraft 2 and isn't active socially. Outside of questions regarding Starcraft 2 strategy or something, what can you really ask him to make him sound interesting?

Im basing it on myself, and people similar to me who were greater than me, but would answer to those questions similarly to Innovation at that age.

I know I wouldn't be able to passionately answer to those questions. But I would be a little more 'polite' and try to answer a bit more colorfully. However, notice that I'm draining my energy that way, as I don't really wanna answer trivial questions that make me yawn. (But since Innovation doesn't give a fuck what people think of him, he just responded how he felt.)

However, I'm VERY passionate about other things in life, which many normal people find 'unneccessary complications of life'. Spirituality being one topic for example.
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
June 27 2013 09:45 GMT
#420
On June 27 2013 17:17 Caihead wrote:
Some day we might have interviews of public celebrity personalities that involve questions about their personal philosophy and world view, some day...


Would be nice indeed, but peoples usually meet difficultys expressing these feelings
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 27 2013 09:53 GMT
#421
On June 27 2013 17:17 Caihead wrote:
Some day we might have interviews of public celebrity personalities that involve questions about their personal philosophy and world view, some day...

Ah, well, there's a reason they don't do that much. Trust me, you really don't want to hear what Tom Brady or Kim Kardashian think about world politics or philosophy...
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
June 27 2013 19:04 GMT
#422
Great interview!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 19:22:37
June 27 2013 19:14 GMT
#423
On June 27 2013 06:27 niteReloaded wrote:
People like Innovation are introverts. (well duh, yeah?)
My point is, these interview questions sucked for a personality like that. What are your hobbies? Who do you hang out with? Do you like TV? -.-

Ask him about his philosophy of life. Ask him about his country of South Korea and tension with North Korea. Introverts have a developed inner world, you just need to know how to reach it. Sorry Wax, but IMO almost no person is boring, if it seems that way, the interviewer failed. Everyone has something that makes him tick, and gives him passion, you just gotta undig it.


What are you getting at? I'm a free-wheeling and dealing extrovert and I have nothing against him. I have no problem accepting people for what they are. Not projecting, so please don't generalize. I agree that it is up to the interviewer to keep a good conversation going. That's why you see guys like George Stroumboulopoulos and Rick Campanelli move forward after they were done at Much Music Canada. They're both really good at doing research and connecting with every celebrity/band/etc. It's not easy being a great interviewer. It's takes a lot of time and practice. Something a lot of people can learn when it comes their podcasts and stuff like this. Wax has a strong foundation because he's been in the scene for so frigging long, so he knows his shit. That doesn't mean he's going to be really good at getting certain individuals to come out of their shell. That's more of a Hot_Bid thing to do. Still you have to find a way to get those who are uncomfortable with the given situation comfortable and that's not always easy when it comes to certain individuals. Not to say that makes them a boring person, but it takes work.

On June 27 2013 14:50 eviltomahawk wrote:
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On June 27 2013 14:34 docvoc wrote:
Im still surprised he admitted to disliking BW. I was expecting a few kespa pros to say that, but Bogus was a really strong player, and for him to say that is a bit revealing to how the pros really felt, now that BW has ended.

I'm actually not surprised to hear him say that. I recall reading one or two BW interviews a while back where the players question their passion for the game. No matter how fun the game, the jump between it being a hobby and it being a job will strain one's enjoyment of it over time. I wouldn't be surprised to see players question their enjoyment when facing losses or slumps, and though Bogus was a strong player with a lot of potential in BW, he wasn't quite TBLS level which might be connected to whatever frustrations he had with the game or his personal performance in it.


That's what happens when players are struggling to find their identities in a game and you start questioning yourself without results. Even when you find success (this has been a problem for many players which includes everyone from Stephano, HuK, NaDa, etc. you can go down the line) the passion and drive will test you. It becomes work not only to make it to the top but to stay there. There have been several interviews with the KeSPA players that I can recall including XellOs, NaDa and Bisu where they lost their motivation and drive. It's hard work and work isn't always fun. If you loss your passion it's really hard to collect yourself and regain what you lost. Not easy pressing the reset button. That's why I tell others to always set new and exciting goals to keep things fresh. Even if it's a small goal. You have to set yourself up in order to succeed and re-motivate yourself.
adius
Profile Joined May 2007
United States249 Posts
June 27 2013 19:26 GMT
#424
His comments about fans and fan reactions made me think of Sasquatch's article about common misconceptions about foreigner teams.

Outside of a few pros, almost every player I know reads reddit/TL threads about matches they played in to see what fans said, and some will even go as far as to watch vods of their own matches just to see what commentators said about them during the games. If you tweet a player they will for sure read it and some (A LOT) search their names on TL to see where their names are popping up.


Now, it's not my intention to make a sweeping generalization about koreans versus foreigners. But I think this highlights that perhaps SOME foreign pros are stuck at a lower level of play because they're in the pro scene for superficial reasons to begin with. Of course you can show some appreciation for your fans without being a sucker for attention, but it's still something to think about.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 20:02:17
June 27 2013 20:00 GMT
#425
On June 28 2013 04:26 adius wrote:
His comments about fans and fan reactions made me think of Sasquatch's article about common misconceptions about foreigner teams.

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Outside of a few pros, almost every player I know reads reddit/TL threads about matches they played in to see what fans said, and some will even go as far as to watch vods of their own matches just to see what commentators said about them during the games. If you tweet a player they will for sure read it and some (A LOT) search their names on TL to see where their names are popping up.


Now, it's not my intention to make a sweeping generalization about koreans versus foreigners. But I think this highlights that perhaps SOME foreign pros are stuck at a lower level of play because they're in the pro scene for superficial reasons to begin with. Of course you can show some appreciation for your fans without being a sucker for attention, but it's still something to think about.


That's the problem with looking for confirmation/positive reinforcement and it's goes way beyond the professional gaming scene. It can be very hard to block out a lot of the shit you see and that's why living in a bubble/keeping your interactions with the community (like doing very little streaming *cough, wink, wink, nudge, nudge) can be viewed as a good thing. Especially when most opinions don't matter and focusing on yourself is a good thing. As for the rest of his blog, those are all relatively obvious things if you've been or followed the scene long enough. We know these things. They date back to BW. That's why I say setting attainable/realistic goals are a good thing and not to aim for the moon. They're all building blocks to create success for the future. I guess I should make this relevant to the thread because we're sort of getting offtrack. Innovation has a very good mindset to continue to succeed considering he says he blocks most of the fluff out and focuses on the task at hand. The lost to Soulkey didn't bother him and I look forward to seeing how he plans on staying on top of the pack that's chasing him.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
June 28 2013 06:09 GMT
#426
This guy has so much soul.

I love his focus though, can't wait to see more from him
MrClean
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany7 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 11:51:00
June 29 2013 11:43 GMT
#427
Am I the only one who liked this interview? Yea the answers are short, but it at least reflect his person not like some other dudes who just tell you what you want to hear <- that is boring!!

I read excited through it, and I didn't even look on the watch - if you know what I mean

He is really honest. You can see how everything connects lol. And you can see how he treats sc2 as a job and how committed he is... He might be "boring" but looking at him as at an object it's kinda interesting to read about that kind of person.

Besides, while being THE BEST in the world PERHAPS you don't have that much time for movies and stuff!? Going out for a walk is probably one of the few things he can do and it's required - moving once a day for 30 minutes is required :D

Maybe he watches movies even, but didn't tell you cause he doesn't consider it as a hobby
marcoso *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil818 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 02:20:08
July 02 2013 00:57 GMT
#428
On June 27 2013 18:03 niteReloaded wrote:
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On June 27 2013 15:43 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 27 2013 07:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On June 27 2013 07:32 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 27 2013 06:25 nuogaiyen wrote:
Lol if I was in his shoes I would probably do the same, he doesn't bring home the bacon by watching movies and telling the world about his spectacular hobbies. He brings home the bacon by simply winning. Charlie Sheen bitches!! The guy is an iceman like chuck Liddell or Kimi Raikkonen. The guy wants to be the best and doesn't waste his time. I would respect that. Don't know why people are calling him a lame robot? This is a sport, if you want personality go watch Disney.


Introverts don't have hobbies...?

Imo Innovation is a super cool human. But the interview was not tailored well to his personality. It's like you talked to Tesla about football and what he thinks the best play of the season was? He'd reply 'i don't care, I don't watch football'. Then you ask about girls and he replies he's celibate for life. You'd think he's a weirdo and boring, and the guy is chaining lightings.

I just get a feeling Innovation's mind is super sharp, he has his own approach to life and isn't affected much by other people's opinions. A big chance was wasted by asking 'wrong' questions.


On what are you basing this? He essentially says that he has no interests outside of Starcraft 2 and isn't active socially. Outside of questions regarding Starcraft 2 strategy or something, what can you really ask him to make him sound interesting?

Im basing it on myself, and people similar to me who were greater than me, but would answer to those questions similarly to Innovation at that age.

I know I wouldn't be able to passionately answer to those questions. But I would be a little more 'polite' and try to answer a bit more colorfully. However, notice that I'm draining my energy that way, as I don't really wanna answer trivial questions that make me yawn. (But since Innovation doesn't give a fuck what people think of him, he just responded how he felt.)

However, I'm VERY passionate about other things in life, which many normal people find 'unneccessary complications of life'. Spirituality being one topic for example.


On June 27 2013 03:05 Snijjer wrote:
Idk whats the deal with people talking about how boring this was. It was a good interview, I particularly like his thoughts on how his 'mediocre' play during BW was just part of the process of becoming a good player. A lot of people seem to be reading the interviews and not comprehending what they're reading.

Also the interview questions were pretty poor...

"Isn't it nice though, to read praise when you've played a good game?"
Interviewer is asking the same question as before a second time trying to get a different answer.

"A lot of foreign players say they at least make sure to rewatch the games they've won. How about you?"

Third variation of a question this time poised as everyone else vs him.

"Some players like to keep up on a lot of tournaments, whether they're Korean or international. How about you? Do you watch a lot of games?"
Another dividing question.

"So your main goal then, all it is is winning championships?"
Dripping in a 'that's it?' tone.

Overall I think that what people are finding 'boring' about him is the fact that he doesn't have the same interests as them. He's not interested in TV shows, movies or pop culture in general. He is interested in walks. I personally think people who enjoy walking are more interesting than those who enjoy watching TV shows.


"But they know Innovation very deeply, that's why they say he's boring, and how boring someone is can be easily assessed." don't you hear it in your minds? I've been told once "when you call someone 'boring', you are calling yourself 'boring'", and that actually aplies to other subjective qualities.

My thought is that Innovation is the one profiting from this interview.
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
July 04 2013 03:17 GMT
#429
this guys a fucking god or some shit jesus. how do u have that mind set
Hell in my head
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
July 04 2013 04:34 GMT
#430
Hmm... So he IS a robot. I had a feeling..
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