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MysticaL
Canada118 Posts
On June 15 2013 03:49 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: if you want to promote banshees without going for such a drastic change, just merge banshee and ghost cloak. It will promote both without breaking the meta. This is a really cool idea | ||
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megapants
United States1314 Posts
i anticipate a lot of mine drop into cloak banshee in tvt | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:22 Larkin wrote: 2.953? What's wrong with 2.95? They probably just used a multiplier, something like "let's do a 15% increase" edit: After looking at it, it's not a flat (or even a half, quarter or eighth), so.. then the best I can say is "what's wrong with 2.953?"  not a good response, I know | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:25 Zenbrez wrote: They probably just used a multiplier, something like "let's do a 15% increase" edit: After looking at it, it's not a flat (or even a half, quarter or eighth), so.. then the best I can say is "what's wrong with 2.953?" not a good response, I knowThe day a Hive is barely not saved because the warp prism was just that bit faster... | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:28 dnld12 wrote: The banshee change... will break PvT. Essentially you can go 1 gas cloak banshee and to get detection fast enough. you would need to get Robo around 25 -27 just to stay alive... That seems a bit ridiculous. While I agree there could be a problem with a buff this extreme, I'm not sure 25-27 supply would have to be a robo. I definitely hope the banshee buff gets scaled back significantly though. | ||
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liatis
11 Posts
Banshee buff is insane, completely, ridiculously insane. Banshees can already pay for their investment and should do damage even if the player responds ok if microed right. Hellbat realisation has taken this long? The blizzard recruitment team sure like people who are fast on the uptake, the consenus has been this in the sensible community since about a week into HOTs | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:28 dnld12 wrote: The banshee change... will break PvT. Essentially you can go 1 gas cloak banshee and to get detection fast enough. you would need to get Robo around 25 -27 just to stay alive... Lol just don't talk nonsense. Cloaked banshee is just used in TvT. It's dead everywhere else. Protoss can even open fucking stargate and defend it easily due to detection from Oracles. Also MSC Photon Overcharge denies banshee pretty well combined with detection. Against zerg cloaked banshee is just abysmal right now (and it will probably still be). The main concern should be how would it effect TvT IMO. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:33 liatis wrote: Wow terran are not overperforming in HOTS? OK sure this is why the win rate against zerg is up to almost 60% . . . Can these guys read the stats? Banshee buff is insane, completely, ridiculously insane. Banshees can already pay for their investment and should do damage even if the player responds ok if microed right. Hellbat realisation has taken this long? The blizzard recruitment team sure like people who are fast on the uptake, the consenus has been this in the sensible community since about a week into HOTs The winrate vs zerg is 60%, meanwhile zergs are winning tournaments (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/individual-leagues) and meanwhile only flash and innovation are dominating. Wake up mate, the hots beta-idra whine is getting old. I know for a fact tough that wol zvt was 60%.. Here, some statistics for you: http://i.imgur.com/9orDwMj.png | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:21 Emzeeshady wrote: It takes constant micro to do any harassment while macroing behind it. That includes hellions, repeats, any drops, Mutas or run bys. A lot of people on this forum play at least diamond level of all three races and no race has a strict guideline to follow that will allow you to win every time (you can easily tell who doesn't). The reason the banshee buff would be too much is it doesn't buff the unit itself but rather how fast you can get it. This will lead to more cheesy openings and a possibly re viable 1-1-1 instead of more banshee usage throughout the game which is what I would like to see. Lol, what ? Making up facts too much ? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Huh, he's actually right. You can assume that the general level of play in TL is much higher than any other community. There were polls some time ago where like 50% were at least diamond (and 20% master). It probably doesn't hold anymore but it's actually true that there are a lot of diamond+ players around. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:19 Brett wrote: Idiots... why the fuck would they touch banshee cloak? This is not WoW you are balancing here, Blizzard. Perhaps because Banshees are NEVER used in the current meta. Perhaps because Oracle detection, Mothership Core, and Spawning Pool Spore Crawlers directly impacted the usefulness of Banshee builds while nothing up till now was given to them to make them more effective. Perhaps they aren't idiots. Just perhaps. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:49 Vindicare605 wrote: Perhaps because Banshees are NEVER used in the current meta. Perhaps because Oracle detection, Mothership Core, and Spawning Pool Spore Crawlers directly impacted the usefulness of Banshee builds while nothing up till now was given to them to make them more effective. Perhaps they aren't idiots. Just perhaps. Never is a big word. If i remember Mvp used them both in WCS finals and in the WCS europe. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:33 liatis wrote: Wow terran are not overperforming in HOTS? OK sure this is why the win rate against zerg is up to almost 60% . . . Can these guys read the stats? Banshee buff is insane, completely, ridiculously insane. Banshees can already pay for their investment and should do damage even if the player responds ok if microed right. Hellbat realisation has taken this long? The blizzard recruitment team sure like people who are fast on the uptake, the consenus has been this in the sensible community since about a week into HOTs Show me Terran domination in Korea. Go ahead I'll wait. There's fewer Terrans than EVER in SC2's history in Code S next season. Soulkey a Zerg is a GSL champion. Where is the Terran domination? Show it to me please. Show me domination that doesn't include MVP roflstomping Europe or Innovation slaughtering Code A Zergs in Proleague. Go ahead, I'll wait. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:51 Assirra wrote: Never is a big word. If i remember Mvp used them both in WCS finals and in the WCS europe. In TvT. Are we content to just have units like Siege Tanks, Banshees and Battlecruisers be useful in only the mirror match up while Barracks units dominate everything else? Sounds like a wonderfully designed game. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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