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On June 13 2013 23:49 LOGMATHR wrote:
Randomly drawn map and bo1? for real?
Feels like we've been drawn back to 2010.. Blizzard without 'cohones' whatsoever, sad 
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On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be.
So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?!
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Random map bo1... Sucks to be korean
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On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?!
How do we define skill?
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On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back.
And what want Blizzard ? I guess Blizzard want OGN to promote WCS to its big mainstream korean audience
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On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more
No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that.
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On June 13 2013 23:56 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! How do we define skill?
However we do, it is not by bo1 format. Usually it is by a player that wins more games in a bo3 to bo7 competitions because even best players can be cheesed out in bo1.
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On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?!
Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea.
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Best of One? Seriously? Is it a some kind of Cutting Expenses measure? Imagine Innvation looses twice to some cheesy builds
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On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that.
HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play.
Just like Hots isn't the same game as BW, its not the same game as GSL 2011 WOL
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On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea.
I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format.
On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play.
I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses.
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I feel like KangHo usually comes back from 0-1 deficits a lot, so this could suck for him. My poor Losira, :<.
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On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?!
Nope, it is so that there won't be 5-6 hours full starcraft on television.
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On June 14 2013 00:07 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea. I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format. Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play. I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses.
Yes and children will die in Africa and the world will end, we get it. You're so rationnal.
This thread is a goldmine, the funniest part being that no loser pick means the format is about ten times better.
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pretty exciting but best of one double-elimination in ro32 feels like we're getting robbed of games and (more importantly) players who deserve ro16 will be robbed of their spot by some bad build order clash.
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On June 14 2013 00:07 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea. I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format. Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play. I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses.
Go watch this final: Nestea vs MKP
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1274
Or this one: Rain vs MC
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/vod/1459
Or this one: MC vs July
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/vod/63200
Or this one: Inca vs Nestea
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65293
These were bo7's with nearly every game being cheese. These were the dominant strategies of early WoL. Now compare them to the bo5's and bo7's you saw at the wcs finals. You don't see the massive differences in the way the game was played?
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On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea.
That remains to be seen. If this OSL disappoints and they get a lot of negative feedback I'm sure there's going to be a OGN Blizzard meeting. But the people at OGN aren't stupid; If their format would be the reason of failure I'm sure they'd make some adjustments themselves. We'll see, people have short memories. If the overall tournament is a success people are probably just going to accept the format. It has to be a success though; otherwise this format thing will continue to be a negative thing.
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On June 14 2013 00:07 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea. I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format. Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play. I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses.
If it's only cheeses and all-ins it should be pretty easy to stop. It's not very difficult to win a game if you know what's coming. Which of course is why it *won't* be all cheeses and all-ins and why the people in this thread are over exaggerating everything.
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On June 14 2013 00:18 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:07 -Archangel- wrote:On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea. I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format. On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play. I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses. If it's only cheeses and all-ins it should be pretty easy to stop. It's not very difficult to win a game if you know what's coming. Which of course is why it *won't* be all cheeses and all-ins and why the people in this thread are over exaggerating everything.
I really doubt it is going to all cheese. We will see some strong all ins and some pretty creative builds, but that is the nature of the game. I can understand why people want the same format as GSL, but I also respect that OSL is going to do its own thing like it has for years.
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On June 14 2013 00:16 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 00:07 -Archangel- wrote:On June 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:On June 13 2013 23:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 16:10 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 16:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Omg bo1 in ro32. That is so 2011...
Why did Blizzard give a licence to these jokers?! Because television. It seems people fail to grasp how big of a deal that can be. So people on TV can also see terrible cheese games and less skillful players going through?! Its is how OSL has always run their events, from what folks are saying. I don't think Blizzard is going to dictate the specifics to how OSL is going to run the event. OSL is a huge company and a major broadcaster in Korea. I don't care how they run them in another game. BW and Sc2 are too different to keep same format. On June 14 2013 00:05 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 23:58 -Archangel- wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 SamirDuran wrote:
to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more No, we don't have a time machine to watch BW players and BW games. This is SC2 and cheese and allin in sc2 in Bo1 create terrible games and let less skillful players advance. (Too) Many seasons of GSL proved that. HotS is very different than the early days of WoL. There aren't any BitByBits anymore to 2 rax every game. Or Inca's. Or Kyrix's to baneling bust. Hell in those GSL seasons that you're talking about MKP was willing to SCV all in for every single game of a bo7! We were playing on Steppes of War and scrap station. Shakuras Plateau was the most balanced map in the map pool. Every game, whether in a bo1 or a bo7 was cheese by today's standard of play. I don't see how it is that much different. Only cause we switched to bo3 and those cheesers went away. Just watch OSL, I bet there will be so many cheeses and allins people will go beserk and sc2 will lose all appeal to undecided masses. Go watch this final: Nestea vs MKP http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1274Or this one: Rain vs MC http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/vod/1459Or this one: MC vs July http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/vod/63200Or this one: Inca vs Nestea http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65293These were bo7's with nearly every game being cheese. These were the dominant strategies of early WoL. Now compare them to the bo5's and bo7's you saw at the wcs finals. You don't see the massive differences in the way the game was played?
Im guessing you didnt see the last GSL finals but here is what happened: Soulkey came back from 0 - 3 with 4 straight wins doing nothing but roach/bane all ins. Actually roach/bane busts are more common now than they every were in TvZ. Only difference being that they arent just as all inish as the earliest pushes. But still..
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