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OSL is Round Robin format for group play and then boX.
Best format for great games. You get to prepare all week for these games.
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On June 13 2013 22:35 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:31 Penev wrote:On June 13 2013 22:29 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:
Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format. Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS Oh thanks. Didn't know that. Strange that they would agree with something like that. :/ Not that much. OSL can ask to do what they want (up until a certain limit I suppose) for running this, since they got quite an audience thanks to being on TV. (It'd be cool if we could have some numbers about this, but still, apart from Sweden, I don't think there is another country that has SC2 on TV...)
I think people forget that OSL is a major TV broadcast company in Korea. There is a limited amount of clout that Blizzard has with a company of that size. It would be like a Ubisoft trying to push around the BBC or CBS. Blizzard can't really force them to do anything and if they want to run their own format and that is the price for showing it on TV, Blizzard has to deal with that.
These sorts of deals are not made with "Its my way or the highway, take it or leave it" stances. That is not how business deals are made. If you try to act that way, you just burn bridges.
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On June 13 2013 22:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:20 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though Definitely true, but the era-defining players won most of the time. Would MVP have won fewer GSLs if it was Bo1 Ro32? Maybe the majority of WoL's run needed Bo3s in Ro32, but let's see how HotS does... basically I think there is needless panic mvp's only GSL that was RO32 BO3 group was his last one iirc
Ok, I don't remember to be honest. Doesn't change my point though.
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On June 13 2013 22:37 Joxx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. Nice comparison except this is HoTs not BW.
Hopefully the game itself doesn't make a huge difference (I think this is what scares people). The player pool is arguably the strongest in absolute and relative terms since the beginning of sc2.
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On June 13 2013 22:35 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:31 Penev wrote:On June 13 2013 22:29 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:
Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format. Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS Oh thanks. Didn't know that. Strange that they would agree with something like that. :/ Not that much. OSL can ask to do what they want (up until a certain limit I suppose) for running this, since they got quite an audience thanks to being on TV. (It'd be cool if we could have some numbers about this, but still, apart from Sweden, I don't think there is another country that has SC2 on TV...)
It's clear that Blizzard wants OGN to be a part of WCS and why. But I don't think this was really a case of OGN pressuring Blizzard to do their own thing. They probably just didn't think it was a big deal when the agreed to it. Now "big" is a relative term but I would like to see them change it in the future, make all WCS's the same.
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this is a very unforgiving format
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On June 13 2013 22:39 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:30 Penev wrote:On June 13 2013 22:28 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 Schelim wrote:
Blizzard should just boycott OSL and MLG imo. give WCS rights to the good organizations and let the others try to survive by themselves. if they can, great, more good tournaments, if they can't, great, less bad tournaments. i understand there would be an uproar, but sometimes if you make big changes (like WCS), you have to live with some backlash. Gom would be screwed if this happened. Half of Code S would just vanish from the brackets. The better half of Code S. OGN =/= KeSpa OGN pays kespa. Gom doesn't. Did you see what happened in BW when Gom tried to get a tournament going? All the kespa teams ended up pulling out and the tournament failed
A lot has changed since then. Just look at what happened with Pro League.
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On June 13 2013 10:28 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:00 juicyjames wrote:GROUP A KT.  Flash Woongjin.  Soulkey LG-IM. RagnaroK ROOT. YugiOhGROUP B STX. INnoVation Woongjin.  Flying 8thTeam. Savage CJ. BbyongGROUP C Woongjin. sOs CJ. EffOrt SKTelecom. soO Maru.Prime GROUP D AZUBU. Symbol STX. Trap Samsung. Shine ST. CuriousGROUP E LG-IM. KangHo Samsung. JangBi ST. Life SKTelecom. FanTaSyGROUP F Samsung. RorO LG-IM. First FXO. Leenock STX. hyvaaGROUP G SKTelecom. PartinG LG-IM. YongHwa LG-IM. Squirtle AZUBU. SuperNovaGROUP H ST. Bomber FXO. Hurricane SKTelecom. Rain MvP. KeeN
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LG-IM: 5 - First, KangHo, RagnaroK, Squirtle, YongHwa SKTelecom: 4 - FanTaSy, PartinG, Rain, soO Samsung: 3 - JangBi, RorO, Shine StarTale: 3 - Bomber, Curious, Life Woongjin: 3 - Flying, sOs, Soulkey CJ: 2 - Bbyong, effOrt AZUBU: 2: SuperNoVa, Symbol FXO: 2 - Hurricane, Leenock STX: 2 - hyvaa, INnoVation 8thTeam: 1 - Savage KT: 1 - Flash MVP: 1 - KeeN Prime: 1 - Maru ROOT: 1 - YugiOh Lol. Stop adding stuff. You keep making the OP re-edit  Get it right the first time 
On June 13 2013 10:36 Seeker wrote:lol. And it just goes on and on
lol, what the hell is your problem? It is perfectly fine to try to keep improving OPs, so please refrain from such troll posts.
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What a terrible format
Bo1+brand new maps = cheese fest
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On June 13 2013 16:28 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:00 ACrow wrote:
Why would they make Ro32 Bo1? That's really, really, incredibly stupid. I thought they had to copy the proven GSL format, instead of making shitty modifications of their own again. That makes me really angry.
Meh, now that my annoyance at their territorial alpha male butchering of the format just for the sake of it is out of the way:
H: Rain, Keen: Bomber will be in choke mode early this tournament, I feel. They use their proven OSL Format.
Might as well use Extended Series then.
There is no excuse that can be made other than it's simply OGN trying to fit it into their TV schdule. Well, if korea is their main focus in SC2 then they are simply doing it wrong, and it's sad to see Blizzard throwing so much money at this shit.
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15 ESF players vs.
17 KeSPA players.
Go go fighting Elephants and fighting non-Elephants!
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On June 13 2013 23:21 Paragleiber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:28 Seeker wrote:On June 13 2013 10:00 juicyjames wrote:GROUP A KT. Flash Woongjin. Soulkey LG-IM. RagnaroK ROOT. YugiOhGROUP B STX. INnoVation Woongjin. Flying 8thTeam. Savage CJ. BbyongGROUP C Woongjin. sOs CJ. EffOrt SKTelecom. soO Maru.Prime GROUP D AZUBU. Symbol STX. Trap Samsung. Shine ST. CuriousGROUP E LG-IM. KangHo Samsung. JangBi ST. Life SKTelecom. FanTaSyGROUP F Samsung. RorO LG-IM. First FXO. Leenock STX. hyvaaGROUP G SKTelecom. PartinG LG-IM. YongHwa LG-IM. Squirtle AZUBU. SuperNovaGROUP H ST. Bomber FXO. Hurricane SKTelecom. Rain MvP. KeeN
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LG-IM: 5 - First, KangHo, RagnaroK, Squirtle, YongHwa SKTelecom: 4 - FanTaSy, PartinG, Rain, soO Samsung: 3 - JangBi, RorO, Shine StarTale: 3 - Bomber, Curious, Life Woongjin: 3 - Flying, sOs, Soulkey CJ: 2 - Bbyong, effOrt AZUBU: 2: SuperNoVa, Symbol FXO: 2 - Hurricane, Leenock STX: 2 - hyvaa, INnoVation 8thTeam: 1 - Savage KT: 1 - Flash MVP: 1 - KeeN Prime: 1 - Maru ROOT: 1 - YugiOh Lol. Stop adding stuff. You keep making the OP re-edit Get it right the first time lol, what the hell is your problem? It is perfectly fine to try to keep improving OPs, so please refrain from such troll posts.
The irony here is truly mind boggling. :D
Good stuff!
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tbh.. this just sucks..
hope they wont ever get to host a wcs again.. bo1 lmao what a shit.. sorry but im rly rly pissed
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Can somebody provide me with statistics that Bo1 correlates to increased frequency of so-called 'cheese'?
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On June 13 2013 23:33 XaCez wrote:
Can somebody provide me with statistics that Bo1 correlates to increased frequency of so-called 'cheese'?
so obvious lol r u dumb?
/sarcasm
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On June 13 2013 23:33 XaCez wrote:
Can somebody provide me with statistics that Bo1 correlates to increased frequency of so-called 'cheese'?
Considering that people can't even decide on what cheese is, I don't think anyone has that data.
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On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL
They are running WCS not OSL. And WCS was supposed to be unified format and schedule. Until now. Well, least they get it on TV, cause otherwise this is really unacceptable.
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guys if someone is to be booted from holding WCS, it should be some internet channel who fails to make sc2 big in 3 years and lets most of their teams dying of sponsor & content
sad but true
On June 13 2013 23:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL They are running WCS not OSL. And WCS supposed to be unified format and schedule. Until now.
you think Blizzard really cares about unified format & shit? They get a hold of Korean tournament AND get their products on television which is tied closely with the iconic OSL. Mission accomplished. Whoever behind this scheme is a genius.
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Randomly drawn map and bo1? for real?
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