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I understand why they do bo1, but every bo1 tournament was a failure and that's why no one do bo1 anymore.
But wait and see, should still be good.
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Blizzard should just boycott OSL and MLG imo. give WCS rights to the good organizations and let the others try to survive by themselves. if they can, great, more good tournaments, if they can't, great, less bad tournaments. i understand there would be an uproar, but sometimes if you make big changes (like WCS), you have to live with some backlash.
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to those who complains about bo1 format. WELCOME TO OSL! The home of champions such as oov, boxer, nada, flash, jaedong, jangbi, fantasy and many more
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do.
not like OSL has had its weird winners too though
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On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL
Well they're supposed to run a WCS
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On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though
Definitely true, but the era-defining players won most of the time. Would MVP have won fewer GSLs if it was Bo1 Ro32?
Maybe the majority of WoL's run needed Bo3s in Ro32, but let's see how HotS does... basically I think there is needless panic
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Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo.
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On June 13 2013 22:17 Schelim wrote:
Blizzard should just boycott OSL and MLG imo. give WCS rights to the good organizations and let the others try to survive by themselves. if they can, great, more good tournaments, if they can't, great, less bad tournaments. i understand there would be an uproar, but sometimes if you make big changes (like WCS), you have to live with some backlash.
Gom would be screwed if this happened. Half of Code S would just vanish from the brackets. The better half of Code S.
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On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:
Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325
The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format.
Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS
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On June 13 2013 22:28 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:17 Schelim wrote:
Blizzard should just boycott OSL and MLG imo. give WCS rights to the good organizations and let the others try to survive by themselves. if they can, great, more good tournaments, if they can't, great, less bad tournaments. i understand there would be an uproar, but sometimes if you make big changes (like WCS), you have to live with some backlash. Gom would be screwed if this happened. Half of Code S would just vanish from the brackets. The better half of Code S.
OGN =/= KeSpa
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On June 13 2013 22:20 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:
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we don't care what is their reason.
if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv...
making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is.
uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though Definitely true, but the era-defining players won most of the time. Would MVP have won fewer GSLs if it was Bo1 Ro32? Maybe the majority of WoL's run needed Bo3s in Ro32, but let's see how HotS does... basically I think there is needless panic
Say TLO has a 10% chance of beating Innovation, that would mean in a bo1 Innovation would lose 10% of the time, but in a bo3 Innovation would only lose 2.8% of the time. Therefore, he would be almost 4 times as likely to lose in the bo1 format.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51710 Posts
On June 13 2013 22:15 MrCon wrote:
I understand why they do bo1, but every bo1 tournament was a failure and that's why no one do bo1 anymore.
But wait and see, should still be good.
at least they changed the Ro16 to be Bo3 round robin instead of Bo1 or at least that's what the OP leads me to believe.
if at least the majority of the favorites survive the Ro32 then we are going to have a good season here.Lets hope to god they do or else there will ne a shitstorm that might claim a few lives
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On June 13 2013 22:29 HeroWeDeserve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:
Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325Show nested quote +The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format. Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS
Oh thanks. Didn't know that. Strange that they would agree with something like that. :/
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On June 13 2013 22:20 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:
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we don't care what is their reason.
if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv...
making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is.
uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though Definitely true, but the era-defining players won most of the time. Would MVP have won fewer GSLs if it was Bo1 Ro32? Maybe the majority of WoL's run needed Bo3s in Ro32, but let's see how HotS does... basically I think there is needless panic
mvp's only GSL that was RO32 BO3 group was his last one iirc
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On June 13 2013 22:20 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:
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we don't care what is their reason.
if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv...
making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is.
uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though Definitely true, but the era-defining players won most of the time. Would MVP have won fewer GSLs if it was Bo1 Ro32? Maybe the majority of WoL's run needed Bo3s in Ro32, but let's see how HotS does... basically I think there is needless panic
3 of the 4 GSLs Mvp won where in the era of GSL Code S having Bo1 group stage. Heck, his first GSL had not one but two Bo1 group stages (Ro32 being a dual tournament, Ro16 being round robin).
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Well at the very least the protoss players should enjoy this format with all the discussion recently about how protoss are kings of Bo1
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 22:31 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:29 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 22:28 Penev wrote:
Blizzard modeled the WCS after the GSL. Kinda strange that OGN thinks they can just change the format. Blizzard should intervene imo. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-unveils-revamped-16-million-2013-starcraft-ii-tournament-season-6406325The tournament structure has been modeled off of GSL's Code S, Code A, and Code B system and is called Premier, Challenger, and Qualifier. This structure will run for all partners, including MLG and ESL. The Challenger events will run slightly differently in North America and Europe due to logistics in travel. Players will be able to move up and down within their own region as players do in GSL. Only the OSL will have differences, where there will be an additional Round of 32 added on played in a best-of-one format. Blizzard agreed to this when they created WCS Oh thanks. Didn't know that. Strange that they would agree with something like that. :/
Not that much. OSL can ask to do what they want (up until a certain limit I suppose) for running this, since they got quite an audience thanks to being on TV. (It'd be cool if we could have some numbers about this, but still, apart from Sweden, I don't think there is another country that has SC2 on TV...)
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On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2013 21:47 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
some really harsh hate, then again who would stop to consider why OGN is doing it this way. we don't care what is their reason. if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv... making stupid thing like bo1 is not an acceptable solution to their problem, whatever it is. uhh yeah say what you may but OGN is bigger than GOM and pointlessly whining isn't helping, just hope your favorite players make it through to the Ro16. ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do.
Nice comparison except this is HoTs not BW.
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I for one prefer Bo1. In fact, I really don't like that they are making group stage Bo3. There are just too many games at the moment. I remember days when I would be hyped about a match up for a week and every game was memorable. Sure there were only 16 players in the tournament, round of 16 was round robin Bo1, round of 8 was only Bo3, and Finals only Bo5. You can say there were variances, people cheesed, it's random, etc. But I saw a lot of innovative strategies, map specific preparation, and rise of new stars. Would we have ever seen Anytime 2-gate DT only against Yellow in Bo3? Would we have seen epic 4 tiebreakers between Shine, Effort, and Gogo?
I'm not suggesting that Bo1 is the best format. It is clear that better player has higher chance of winning when more games are played. But that's not necessarily better. I'm sure some people will disagree, but I personally think less games and more preparation is better for SC2. It generally gives better games, more new strategies, and more hype and focus on each game. Bo1 format didn't prevent players like savior, jaedong, flash to dominate an era. They may not win every individual tournament, but would that really be a good thing?
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On June 13 2013 22:30 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 22:28 HeroWeDeserve wrote:On June 13 2013 22:17 Schelim wrote:
Blizzard should just boycott OSL and MLG imo. give WCS rights to the good organizations and let the others try to survive by themselves. if they can, great, more good tournaments, if they can't, great, less bad tournaments. i understand there would be an uproar, but sometimes if you make big changes (like WCS), you have to live with some backlash. Gom would be screwed if this happened. Half of Code S would just vanish from the brackets. The better half of Code S. OGN =/= KeSpa
OGN pays kespa. Gom doesn't. Did you see what happened in BW when Gom tried to get a tournament going? All the kespa teams ended up pulling out and the tournament failed
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