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On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 21:57 c0olL wrote:
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ok so plz tell me, if they are bigger then gom, why cant they make normal RO32? GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point.
I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu
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On June 14 2013 02:25 RiskyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:
I think most people got too attached to the idea of "_____ got unlucky that's all!" without realizing that a group shouldn't last 4-6 hours a day for the sake of an upset fanboy... I think it's much more important to have a tournament structure with real integrity for the sake of the players trying to qualify for Blizzcon.
OSL had done bo1 for a really long time, so I think they would say their tournaments has enough "real integrity" for Blizzard.
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On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:
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GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu
All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won?
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so bo1, do you cheese, or do you play a macro game?
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For me, the issue is more the fact that the other two WCS regions are running Bo3 while WCS KR will be Bo1. If they're labelled as the same tournament, they should have the same format.
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On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:
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so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..."
but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won?
That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal.
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On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:
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so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..."
but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won?
... Bisu's won the MSL. lol. Come on guys. I could go on and on about Bisu and his slumps to his failures against hydra busts when it comes to final round of qualifiers lol.
On June 14 2013 02:41 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:
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but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal.
Wait what? Are we actually arguing the old MSL versus OSL? Oh my gosh the time warp! Are we really going to argue this?
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On June 14 2013 02:33 Lobotomist wrote:
so bo1, do you cheese, or do you play a macro game?
If everyone cheese, then you do only safe builds.
If everyone does safe builds, then you do greedy builds.
If everyone plays greedy, then you do cheese.
It's the same as any other Bo(X > 1)
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On June 14 2013 02:42 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:
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but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? ... Bisu's won the MSL. lol. Come on guys. I could go on and on about Bisu and his slumps to his failures against hydra busts when it comes to final round of qualifiers lol. Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:41 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:
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then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal. Wait what? Are we actually arguing the old MSL versus OSL? Oh my gosh the time warp! Are we really going to argue this?
I just went there. The gauntlet has been dropped. And I cannot overstate how much more important it is we figure this out before we return to bitching about peacefully discussing the OSL vs GSL.
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On June 14 2013 02:53 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:42 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:
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then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? ... Bisu's won the MSL. lol. Come on guys. I could go on and on about Bisu and his slumps to his failures against hydra busts when it comes to final round of qualifiers lol. On June 14 2013 02:41 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:
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Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal. Wait what? Are we actually arguing the old MSL versus OSL? Oh my gosh the time warp! Are we really going to argue this? I just went there. The gauntlet has been dropped. And I cannot overstate how much more important it is we figure this out before we return to bitching about peacefully discussing the OSL vs GSL.
This is about to get hilariously interesting 
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I mean uh... boo MSL/OSL/GSL! Yay GSL/MSL/OSL!
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Group E is by far the hardest, bo1 suck though.
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Why are so many people so mad about Bo1?
Bo1 gives better games because players need to practice for one map only (for each set). Since all the maps are decided beforehand, any given player will play at most 3 maps. The previous WCS Korea had map pool of 7 maps. So at most, any given player will play 7 maps. So Bo1 vs Bo3.. if players practice the same amount of time (which they should), their practice is simply much more focused and should result in a better gameplan for each map, and thus better games.
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On June 14 2013 02:56 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:53 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:42 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:
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Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? ... Bisu's won the MSL. lol. Come on guys. I could go on and on about Bisu and his slumps to his failures against hydra busts when it comes to final round of qualifiers lol. On June 14 2013 02:41 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:
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not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal. Wait what? Are we actually arguing the old MSL versus OSL? Oh my gosh the time warp! Are we really going to argue this? I just went there. The gauntlet has been dropped. And I cannot overstate how much more important it is we figure this out before we return to bitching about peacefully discussing the OSL vs GSL. This is about to get hilariously interesting EDIT: I mean uh... boo MSL/OSL/GSL! Yay GSL/MSL/OSL!
Especially them GOMTV MSL's. In particular seasons 2 and 3. We can start with those. And maybe this will help those GOMers in their pro GSL arguments down the line.
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so some people expect flash will fall against a cheese, when he only has to practice one map and 1 matchup
good luck with that
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Yaaaay! So it's not just gonna be esF vs KeSpa in LR's but also GOM vs OGN. I'm so looking forward to it!
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On June 14 2013 01:07 ThinJ wrote:Show nested quote +Good news! This isn't the GSL. It's the OSL. You don't have to pay GOM for this season. Come to think of it, I don't know that you would want to - you can pull the audio and get the higher resolution OGN stream.
From what I understand, GOM will be doing what OGN was doing for last season's Code S - streaming from a feed from OGN. (Yes, DoA and Montechristo were casting the GSL... from OGN studios. Never got many viewers. Khaldor referenced this on SotG today.) You're not telling me anything I don't already know and also not care about. OGN's production of the first SC2 OSL was bad. OGN's production of the WCS Grand Final was bad. OGN's stream is NOT better than Gom's IMO because they zoom out the friggin game and leave black bars around the edges for no reason. Yeah, it's 1080p, but that means a little less when they don't actually let the game window fill the screen. And I KNOW this isn't the GSL. That's the problem. That's what I'm saying. I want GSL back. Normally, THERE WOULD BE A GSL STARTING SOON. Now there isn't, because of whatever this crappy deal is between Gom and OGN and Blizzard and the WCS mess. *Also, OGN not using the updated observer interfaces is spectacularly annoying after we've been seeing them in ALL tournaments for months now.
Well, guess what. You are not telling anything I don't know about people who has no clue of things before GSL. OSL suffered because of the shitstorm in Korea started by Blizzard, and I want OSL back in all its glory, including it's format. I don't give a shit about your pathetic sense of entitlement.
+ Show Spoiler +See what I did there? This is how "productive" things get with your and reddit's attitude.
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On June 14 2013 03:16 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 02:56 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 14 2013 02:53 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:42 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:
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not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? ... Bisu's won the MSL. lol. Come on guys. I could go on and on about Bisu and his slumps to his failures against hydra busts when it comes to final round of qualifiers lol. On June 14 2013 02:41 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 02:32 Vorenius wrote:On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:
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OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu All of them? But, but... does that mean Bisu has never won? That's my point. MSL clearly superior and much more normal. Wait what? Are we actually arguing the old MSL versus OSL? Oh my gosh the time warp! Are we really going to argue this? I just went there. The gauntlet has been dropped. And I cannot overstate how much more important it is we figure this out before we return to bitching about peacefully discussing the OSL vs GSL. This is about to get hilariously interesting EDIT: I mean uh... boo MSL/OSL/GSL! Yay GSL/MSL/OSL! Especially them GOMTV MSL's. In particular seasons 2 and 3. We can start with those. And maybe this will help those GOMers in their pro GSL arguments down the line.
Only reason you say that is because Bisu won season 2. It's kind of funny you mention Season 3 considering people are bitching about Mind winning it. Oh the glory days of Bisu & the sadness that follows it.
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Please Blizzard, dont let this CRAP happen! I beg you!
WCS S1 Finals where shit!²
ok let them host it, but fucking keep the format, WTF BO1
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Is gom still doing the challenger league? If dont even have the time to do this tournament properly, what happens to "code a"?
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On June 14 2013 02:26 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 01:45 sharkie wrote:On June 14 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On June 14 2013 01:30 sharkie wrote:On June 13 2013 22:18 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:15 trifecta wrote:On June 13 2013 22:07 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 22:02 opterown wrote:On June 13 2013 22:00 c0olL wrote:On June 13 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:
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GOM is internet channel that runs less things than OGN, which means OGN has less time available for SC2 so as i said, "if you cant cast a normal code S, then don't cast it. leave it to the big boys at gomtv..." but they're not running a code S, they're running an OSL then fuck them and fuck OSL, we want code S back. Ah yes, Code S the home of one-and-dones such as Seed, Sniper and jjakji vs. OSL stomping grounds of the likes of Nada, oov, flash, JD, Jangbang, etc. The format does not make a tournament, the players and the game do. not like OSL has had its weird winners too though OSL doesnt really have weird winners. MSL is the one with the weird champions lol Hello zerg maps. I'd consider Mind and forGG as weird champions too. But yeah, forgg won due to maps. So I guess you have a point. I'd consider all winners weird because they are not Bisu
Now we have a winner.
Please close thread.
On June 14 2013 02:36 Aflixion wrote:
For me, the issue is more the fact that the other two WCS regions are running Bo3 while WCS KR will be Bo1. If they're labelled as the same tournament, they should have the same format.
Er. So they all should be offline. Right?
And you should fall from code a to b. Right?
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