EPTHyperbole, carnival barking, childish/poor humor, lack of game knowledge -- one or more of these creeps in to almost every "popular" caster we have in this community. It has bothered me from the start.
Great post!
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
Hyperbole, carnival barking, childish/poor humor, lack of game knowledge -- one or more of these creeps in to almost every "popular" caster we have in this community. It has bothered me from the start. Great post! | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On June 08 2013 02:57 Sissors wrote: Actually, you do. Besides that it is also kinda stupid to have people again complaining that SC2 casters aren't good enough players and don't play enough, and at the same time we are again comparing it with regular sport announcers now. Most of them really won't be any good at the games they cover. Not to mention I believe most casters are fairly good players also. Idn if its this way in Europe or the rest of the world. But in American sports almost always one of the casters is a well known former player/coach. Usually accompanied by 1/2 communication professionals (Reggie miller, charles barkley, john madden, coach lou, Dick Vitel, van gundy, Jay Bilas, I could go on). So looking to traditional professional sports, I don't think you can really say the commentators "really won't be good at the games at all." Most of those people I name are hall of fame level. | ||
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Poffel
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On June 08 2013 03:43 Poffel wrote: Props to the OP, that's well-founded criticism in a good dosage. Very eloquent and straight forward too, good stuff! | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
And duh, the recaps are marketed towards casual players and Blizzard thinks they are brain damaged and need to be spoken down to. (see WoW) It's not meant to be useful, they just want some people to be able to recognize terms they are using and then mentally file WCS as a professional e-sports thing which has ESPN like coverage. | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
On June 08 2013 03:49 Grumbels wrote: "Robben plays well today..." stopped reading your post after this. :p Robben never plays well. And duh, the recaps are marketed towards casual players and Blizzard thinks they are brain damaged and need to be spoken down to. (see WoW) It's not meant to be useful, they just want some people to be able to recognize terms they are using and then mentally file WCS as a professional e-sports thing which has ESPN like coverage. Even SportCenter which does pretty watered down recaps of games uses proper terminology and details the important events of the game. Currently, WCS Today recaps show highlights and generically talks about how the winner is good at SC2 while using match history as their explanation. | ||
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Zoygot
Canada42 Posts
Just because someone has a large following doesn't mean they're entitled to cast a major event. | ||
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postmanana
24 Posts
It must be very difficult and time consuming to stay on top of the pro scene, especially when it comes to tournaments that regularly have players from EU, KOR and NA but it makes an enormous difference to the viewing experience. My ideal casting combination is a play-by-play (who doesn't try to analyse/guess) and an analytical caster who's either a current pro, a highly-ranked player or a specialist analyst whose studied a lot of recent matches. Do one job well, rather than two poorly. When Totalbiscuit and Day[9] cast together, for example, I don't want Day[9] edging into the play-by-play because that pushes Tb into the analytical role just so he has something to say. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On June 08 2013 04:00 Zoygot wrote: I'd like to see some casters who have been labelled as "Youtube Casters" or really anyone who can't enhance a cast with in depth game knowledge to be phased out from major live events. These type of casters are great for attracting new players to the game and have their own following of fans, but are out of their element at an MLG or Dreamhack. Just because someone has a large following doesn't mean they're entitled to cast a major event. Completely agree with you, but I wonder how would you gather a talent pool if you were MLG then? You would just look 100% to former players? Even then you have to consider the communication ability of the person in addition to simply their game knowledge. I imagine their logic is, if this guy can cast youtube games for 100 people without a bunch of dead air, he's probably going to do a fine job at our event. Also, you probably need to submit previous work to MLG for the position-- how does a player who only analyzes team replays privately going to have a comparable application? I just wonder how we can foster a more knowledgeable caster base beyond the 1 in a 100 former player turned caster (every caster we as the community view as "good" is a former player I'm pretty sure- at least from BW era.) Guess all us "higher level" players need to start backing some high level youtube casters so they get comparable views | ||
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RQShatter
United States459 Posts
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Loser777
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deo.deo
135 Posts
It's really time to get back to the basics, get some fundamentally solid people that don't promote their own brand while also casting a starcraft game. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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CatsPajamas
United States337 Posts
1.) WCS Today started as a quick recap show, meant to show you everything you missed from the day before and get you ready for the upcoming matches. However, since the launch of our new WCS Portal, that focus mostly changes now as you can go to a site and catch up on everything you've missed. 2.) Going forward, we're going to evaluate all the comments and criticism here to implement into future episodes. We definitely feel the focus should steer more towards telling the story of the players, and we'll work to improve. I've passed on the criticism to the entire core team here and we're reviewing to see how we can improve. Thanks! Kevin | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
The WCS today was supposed to provide information about what happened. Just put the results out, in a chart, or in the beginning of the video. Speaking is not a good way of presenting this. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
The one critique that particularly hit home though was problem 1. I think it's weirdly striking how youtube casters who knew little to nothing about the game itself did a better job creating a narrative surrounding players. Dinotoss who never wins. Evil pikachu kwanro. Mr 14CC. Chintoss! The guy who ended flash's tvt spree. They weren't great but I feel in hind sight like they made more faceless stars into someone or a narrative. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
There are legitimate fears about being wrong, or perceived as wrong, and in a lot of ways it's easier to go with what you're doing, even if it's worse, than try to change something and potentially make a mistake. It's easy to be safe, and it's easy to justify being safe. That being said, I'm glad that this article was written, and I enjoyed reading it. Putting to words what a lot of us think but haven't really articulated is valuable, and if there will be a change, it starts with something like this. | ||
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Nathanias
United States290 Posts
I think another hindrance is that while I don't mind doing research, almost none of us have production like GOM that will feed us those interesting per map/race stats. Even if I'm busy casting another part of an event, and miss a series where Vibe does a new ZvP build, suddenly I'm a terrible caster for not knowing this was the game 3 all-in he did at the last dream hack. It's not easy for anyone and while we certainly are aware of your problems, there are many pieces of production that are missing where the tournament organisers can make that information so much more accessibl I tried not to make this a rant but I just want to agree with you while also making it known that we aren't just ignoring you while counting stacks of bills. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
It seems the "industry" is trying to milk the money in a forced kinda way with how they present the content. Their editorial settings should definetly be reviewed. | ||
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Metak
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