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On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote:On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote:
As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha
D3 sold 8 million copies and received very good reviews. The core game was solid and my girlfriend and I still play it. The only flaw with that game is the auction house, which did wreck the end game for the most hard core fans. I wouldn't be shocked if it gets phased out in the expansion and refined, since Blizzard has admitted the auction house did not work as expected.
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On June 07 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote:On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote:
As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha D3 sold 8 million copies and received very good reviews. The core game was solid and my girlfriend and I still play it. The only flaw with that game is the auction house, which did wreck the end game for the most hard core fans. I wouldn't be shocked if it gets phased out in the expansion and refined, since Blizzard has admitted the auction house did not work as expected.
Reviews mean next to nothing... I'm surprised people still subscribe/read that stuff. Game play is subjective to different tastes. I knew I would not want to play a grind like game again so sure, I am biased against D3. I have 2 friends who still avidly play D3, I watch them play sometimes. I can understand its a simpler game which rewards time investment well. Aside from game play though, how are you going to argue that the game was released basically unfinished and wasnt fixed/finished till much later?
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So...random person says that they're a former Blizzard employee, repeats everything that haters have been saying for years, and then the same haters use this as proof that they were right all along.
Nice to know that people still believe everything they read on the internet.
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^ Agreed. All we saw was an unclear pic of a badge as proof. Could be anyone.
Most of his answers were very non-committal and neutral. Nothing juicy or interesting. In fact, if his answers were indicative of his powers of observation, I think Blizz did a good job in firing the guy.
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On June 07 2013 04:34 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote:On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote:On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote:
As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha D3 sold 8 million copies and received very good reviews. The core game was solid and my girlfriend and I still play it. The only flaw with that game is the auction house, which did wreck the end game for the most hard core fans. I wouldn't be shocked if it gets phased out in the expansion and refined, since Blizzard has admitted the auction house did not work as expected. Reviews mean next to nothing... I'm surprised people still subscribe/read that stuff. Game play is subjective to different tastes. I knew I would not want to play a grind like game again so sure, I am biased against D3. I have 2 friends who still avidly play D3, I watch them play sometimes. I can understand its a simpler game which rewards time investment well. Aside from game play though, how are you going to argue that the game was released basically unfinished and wasnt fixed/finished till much later?
I always read reviews from sites and reviewers that I trust. Giant Bomb is pretty spot on when it comes to my tastes in games. I don't have unlimited cash and I have been betrayed by games before, so I read reviews.
I didn’t say that the game was unfinished, only that the endgame was not what the most hardcore D2 fans were looking for. That is a hard nut to crack and I don’t blame Blizzard for being unable to please the most hardcore fans who love to grind endlessly for loot. I enjoy and still enjoyed all my play throughs of the game and didn’t considering it grindy. I also don’t consider the game less complex that D2, which still can be boiled down to “right click on the devil until he explodes, drink potions when necessary”.
Blizzard always improves games with expansions, just like apple improves is OS through refinement. You release a thing and then refine it after people have used it for a while. D3 is a better game since release and will get even better with an expansion.
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On June 07 2013 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So...random person says that they're a former Blizzard employee, repeats everything that haters have been saying for years, and then the same haters use this as proof that they were right all along.
Nice to know that people still believe everything they read on the internet.
That is true as well. Could just be some hugely butthurt ex-fanboy or something, though that doesn't seem all that likely but still, the point is valid. I mean I stopped reading when s/he responses when he said he was never passionate about gaming, he just viewed it as a job.
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SC2 devs superiority complex, perfectly describes why none of the community feedback changes anything in the game.
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Looks like David Kim didn't listen to his balancewhining employee. Im not getting more out of that.
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On June 07 2013 07:37 synd wrote:
SC2 devs superiority complex, perfectly describes why none of the community feedback changes anything in the game.
Person pretends that they're from Blizzard and shits all over employees, community believes it. Perfectly describes why SC2 devs don't listen to the community.
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On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote:On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote:
As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha
I dunno, it was my first Diablo game and i massively enjoyed it for a couple months.
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Same thing you're feeling. A lot of people rolled their eyes and laughed at what they were intending to do with DOTA. I know a lot of QA people thought it was a joke, but we didn't get paid to have an opinion. I'll just reiterate this: SC2 devs are mostly dicks.
classic chris sigaty
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well if i only read the quoted parts here on TL, do they get a job at EA for shitting on their former employer?
what a load of bull.... sc2 is the best product blizz has to offer right now imo, and also the best product pcgaming has to offer right now, moba/dota may draw larger crowds, but without campaigns, cinematics, and such a well balanced multiplayer they just dont compare for me.
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On June 07 2013 00:08 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 23:55 HeeroFX wrote:
I think we knew the sc devs were dicks when they refused to give listen to the community wants and suggestions. Any expert in any field will always look down on community feedback and suggestions by people not involved in their industry. Not saying that it's a good thing to do, but it happens in all industries because many things the community want or suggest are just borderline retarded. I'll give an example from my own field of work. At my last job people kept on ranting about wanting less traffic congestion, more parking spaces AND more room for children to play. Those things do NOT go along.
Depends on your budget, land acquisition, etc. I'm surprised I do not see more underground parking lots to be honest (the inverse of the above ground parking lots). Of course, there is the issue with cabling and the like, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem. However, I don't understand the more room for children to play bit..what does that have to do with road construction?
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On June 07 2013 04:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:34 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote:On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote:On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote:
As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha D3 sold 8 million copies and received very good reviews. The core game was solid and my girlfriend and I still play it. The only flaw with that game is the auction house, which did wreck the end game for the most hard core fans. I wouldn't be shocked if it gets phased out in the expansion and refined, since Blizzard has admitted the auction house did not work as expected. Reviews mean next to nothing... I'm surprised people still subscribe/read that stuff. Game play is subjective to different tastes. I knew I would not want to play a grind like game again so sure, I am biased against D3. I have 2 friends who still avidly play D3, I watch them play sometimes. I can understand its a simpler game which rewards time investment well. Aside from game play though, how are you going to argue that the game was released basically unfinished and wasnt fixed/finished till much later? I always read reviews from sites and reviewers that I trust. Giant Bomb is pretty spot on when it comes to my tastes in games. I don't have unlimited cash and I have been betrayed by games before, so I read reviews. I didn’t say that the game was unfinished, only that the endgame was not what the most hardcore D2 fans were looking for. That is a hard nut to crack and I don’t blame Blizzard for being unable to please the most hardcore fans who love to grind endlessly for loot. I enjoy and still enjoyed all my play throughs of the game and didn’t considering it grindy. I also don’t consider the game less complex that D2, which still can be boiled down to “right click on the devil until he explodes, drink potions when necessary”. Blizzard always improves games with expansions, just like apple improves is OS through refinement. You release a thing and then refine it after people have used it for a while. D3 is a better game since release and will get even better with an expansion.
Is there even PvP yet in D3? People enjoyed the loot casino because it allowed to better dominate in PvP. Of course some enjoyed it for the math and advancement aspect, but without PvP D2 wouldn't have lasted as long as it did (and of course Ladder).
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On June 07 2013 07:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 07:37 synd wrote:
SC2 devs superiority complex, perfectly describes why none of the community feedback changes anything in the game. Person pretends that they're from Blizzard and shits all over employees, community believes it. Perfectly describes why SC2 devs don't listen to the community.
An AMA of this caliber on Reddit requires some proof that moderators verify. He provided his Blizzard door nameplate along with the games he has worked on for public proof and who knows what proof he provided the moderators.
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he didnt say anything new considering what has been happening with all blizzard games (WoW, D3, SC) recently
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On June 07 2013 08:11 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 07:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 07 2013 07:37 synd wrote:
SC2 devs superiority complex, perfectly describes why none of the community feedback changes anything in the game. Person pretends that they're from Blizzard and shits all over employees, community believes it. Perfectly describes why SC2 devs don't listen to the community. An AMA of this caliber on Reddit requires some proof that moderators verify. He provided his Blizzard door nameplate along with the games he has worked on for public proof and who knows what proof he provided the moderators.
A blurry nameplate of such questionable quality that it could easily have been printed from a home computer. And frankly, I have no reason to trust Reddit's verification process. For all you or I know, that crappy quality nameplate is enough for their moderators.
And let's even assume that this person is exactly who he says he is. Once you strip out all the bias from his words, you essentially have:
1) He thinks everyone outside of his department is a dick.
2) The QA department didn't get along with Devs...or possibly it was just him.
3) Despite being a low level employee doing QA grunt-work, he apparently knew everything that was wrong with the games being made, just no one listened to him.
More or less, this thread and that AMA served absolutely no purpose except allowing an asshole to inflate his own ego, whether he is ex-Blizzard or not.
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If he said what Titan was going to be like this could have been interesting, but it was pretty uninformative this way.
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On June 07 2013 00:29 Trumpstyle wrote:
Working 12-14 hours per day, who knew? I knew, no surprise Blizzard treat theirs employes as slaves.
Pretty common in the IT industry...in fact the days where I get to go home on time, are like so few lol. And from what he's saying it seems like one of the better game companies to work in.
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