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FrodaN
754 Posts
I daresay most of the fans who never talked to them would be surprised at how many ppl they include when collecting feedback/criticism of the game. They talk to lots of pro-gamers, organizers, casters, and read most of the posts of the community (even the hateful ones). Of course, working with people is completely different than social event interaction. idk maybe Dustin Browder and crew are real pains to work with  | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On June 07 2013 02:55 FrodaN wrote: Most SC2 devs I met are really nice and earnest about the game. They love SC2 and were open to hearing balance/design suggestions. The only thing they seemed completely adamant about was not adding new elements into the game that would require additional development such as adding in a new unit or a new unit ability to do something completely different (introducing Lockdown from the BW Ghost for example) than what's already programmed. This is because of future expansions for obvious marketing reasons. I daresay most of the fans who never talked to them would be surprised at how many ppl they include when collecting feedback/criticism of the game. They talk to lots of pro-gamers, organizers, casters, and read most of the posts of the community (even the hateful ones). Of course, working with people is completely different than social event interaction. idk maybe Dustin Browder and crew are real pains to work with I think the most annoying part working with Dustin Browder would be that after a while you're not listening to him anymore except for counting the number of times he says "right". | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On June 07 2013 02:55 FrodaN wrote: Most SC2 devs I met are really nice and earnest about the game. They love SC2 and were open to hearing balance/design suggestions. The only thing they seemed completely adamant about was not adding new elements into the game that would require additional development such as adding in a new unit or a new unit ability to do something completely different (introducing Lockdown from the BW Ghost for example) than what's already programmed. This is because of future expansions for obvious marketing reasons. I daresay most of the fans who never talked to them would be surprised at how many ppl they include when collecting feedback/criticism of the game. They talk to lots of pro-gamers, organizers, casters, and read most of the posts of the community (even the hateful ones). Of course, working with people is completely different than social event interaction. idk maybe Dustin Browder and crew are real pains to work with I'm curious as to what suggestions are brought to the developers. Keep in mind that when SC2 came out, people were upset that much of the game was thought to be similar to BW. I wonder how much of the QA feedback was "ok this game feels too much like BW" or "you should make this element easier". In his AMA his QA team was shown to not really see the significance of Dota back in the day (though thats understandable). Not trying to frame this individuals as a biased wrong-doer - I'm just curious on the framing of his perspective. I doubt we'll ever find out but just interesting to chew on. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On June 07 2013 03:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: First, I hope they find out who this person was because people need to respect NDA's, especially when they are speaking FOR the company from a LOW LEVEL position. From what they describe, their position was that of somebody that worked EXCLUSIVELY with WoW for most of their time at Blizzard. A GM in WoW is pretty much the lowest step on the ladder, and there were tons of them. This person probably had very limited interaction with devs at all, let alone the upper management making the decisions. It is interesting to learn about maybe the every day goings on as a normal employee, but beyond that... they don't have much real room to talk about stuff. No they do not need to know who the guy is.It's called freedom of speech.Also he didn't give any info on titan.Let the man express his knowledge in public so we can also know what's going on.Whats in it for you if the dude gets busted. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On June 07 2013 03:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: First, I hope they find out who this person was because people need to respect NDA's, especially when they are speaking FOR the company from a LOW LEVEL position. From what they describe, their position was that of somebody that worked EXCLUSIVELY with WoW for most of their time at Blizzard. A GM in WoW is pretty much the lowest step on the ladder, and there were tons of them. This person probably had very limited interaction with devs at all, let alone the upper management making the decisions. It is interesting to learn about maybe the every day goings on as a normal employee, but beyond that... they don't have much real room to talk about stuff. Yeah I mean fuck learning about how development of things work and knowledge in general. Let's keep all that quiet for forever. Bullshit. He doesn't have a top secret security clearance and none of the information that was told was confidential. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2013 03:15 theking1 wrote: No they do not need to know who the guy is.It's called freedom of speech.Also he didn't give any info on titan.Let the man express his knowledge in public so we can also know what's going on.Whats in it for you if the dude gets busted. That's not how freedom of speech works, since it only has to do with the government suppressing your ability to speak. Blizzard is not the government. If they are upset that this person is talking about things they shouldn't, can go after them for violating the NDA. It is there for a reason. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 07 2013 03:17 Infernal_dream wrote: Yeah I mean fuck learning about how development of things work and knowledge in general. Let's keep all that quiet for forever. Bullshit. He doesn't have a top secret security clearance and none of the information that was told was confidential. Where did I say that? I am just saying that if he/she says anything that would break the NDA, he shouldn't be able to hide behind an anonymous name online. It pisses me off when people break NDA's, even more when it is for attention. | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On June 07 2013 01:32 Tenks wrote: As a developer myself I am probably thought of as a dick to QA as well. Because the only time I ever interact with QA is when they're complaining to fix some piece of software I'm in charge of and they think their little bug report is the most important thing to me. It isn't. I have a mountain of new development so just file the bug and I'll get around to it. Even worse, like he complained about, is when they give their opinions on the matter because 999/1000 they are completely and dead wrong. So when they go over their theories on the bug it goes in one ear and out the other. Or more accurately it goes right in my email's trash. Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote: Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. Great comment, that is exactly what happened for sure... You didn't read a lot of this thread did you? | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote: Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On June 07 2013 04:03 DDie wrote: Reading this i can definitely see how D3 turned out to be such a failure: - Yo, the game sucks ass fix it. - Lol, sure k.. Yes this is exactly how software development works. Shame the developers didn't just go rogue and abandon all requirements given to them by the designers. Maybe just add the beFun() method? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Of course he might be right and they might be "dicks". But "dicks" isn't really much of a description is it. Why were they dicks would of been nice to know or wtf is "dickish" lol. Very childish that part imo. ^_^ | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On June 07 2013 03:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: First, I hope they find out who this person was because people need to respect NDA's, especially when they are speaking FOR the company from a LOW LEVEL position. From what they describe, their position was that of somebody that worked EXCLUSIVELY with WoW for most of their time at Blizzard. A GM in WoW is pretty much the lowest step on the ladder, and there were tons of them. This person probably had very limited interaction with devs at all, let alone the upper management making the decisions. It is interesting to learn about maybe the every day goings on as a normal employee, but beyond that... they don't have much real room to talk about stuff. A few things I want to note: [–]JehuLove 383 points 15 hours ago They've said that before, though. Give us some love here, son. permalink parent [–]BlizzardThrowaway[S] 1705 points 15 hours ago* I caaaaan't. Blizzard likes to sue people. I read this when they were asking him about Titan. The guy probably has an idea of what his NDA entailed and what his risks are. The thing is, it's okay to talk about a company's culture from your perspective unless explicitly stated otherwise and it's rare for companies to have such strict non-disclosure policies. That's why you have so much former employees writing books actually on the culture of a company. You can probably make a case against him, but it's quite ambiguous and you'd have to look at the specific terms of his agreement and compare it to the specific words he said. | ||
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TrippSC2
United States209 Posts
On June 07 2013 04:06 SupLilSon wrote: I know right? And even worse, according to the AMA people at Blizzard were satisfied with D3 LOL. I guess they did sell a ton of copies before anyone realized how poor the game was... haha Was the game really that bad? I bought it and I felt like it lacked content and that I can't enjoy that type of "grindy" game that force you repeat content over and over, anymore. But the gameplay seemed solid to me while I was playing and the repetition was no different than D2, which I and tons of others loved. If anything, if I were Blizzard, I would take from D3 that the Diablo audience has moved on to different types of games, rather than they made a bad game, unless I'm missing something. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
In conclusion: Its a huge fake, simply because he has nothing authentic. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On June 07 2013 01:52 AnomalySC2 wrote: This probably won't garner many agreements but sometimes you just have to do what you think is best for your own creation, forget all the opinions from fans or haters. Make what you want to make, not what you think other people want. So much agree. If a lot of people like it, that's a bonus. As long as at least one person appreciates my effort, I'd be happy. | ||
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