SC2 Power Rank - June 2013 - Page 30

On June 06 2013 07:22 vesicular wrote:
Not saying TT1 is right, but people laughed at Major when he said Innovation was going to be a monster way back when...

On June 06 2013 07:46 _SpiRaL_ wrote:


Who did?

On June 06 2013 03:57 Evangelist wrote:


You can tell when someone is trolling when they call MVP, the most decorated Starcraft 2 player, "Code B".

Mvp at his best makes Innovation look like a scrub. No one ever wants to play Mvp. Not even Flash. On his best day he is completely unbeatable.

On June 06 2013 05:18 Emzeeshady wrote:
Proleague is a poor measurement of anything really except how well that team prepared for a match. Bo1s prove very little imo. I have beaten 6 or 7 GMs in BO1s but I am no where fucking close to GM level and my winrate vs them in BO3s and above proves this.

On June 05 2013 09:21 Master of DalK wrote:
Did Artosis write this?

I do feel though, Soulkey should've been #1, he's proved it. Maybe we should see if its Soulkey v INnoVation in WCS S1 finals, and then if INnoVation wins, there. Give him first there.

On June 06 2013 05:33 Pazuzu wrote:
I think what could be added to clarify is what power rank means.

Say a player is super dominant in May and April, but then hardly goes to any tournaments and only has a couple results in June and July. During the July Power Rank, they would not be ranked very highly due to the low number of games they have had in the last two months (or whatever the arbitrary time cutoff is). They might be as good as they were before, they might even be better, but power rank is based off of the results, and as they have not had recent results, they cannot pass a certain rank.

On June 06 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote:


no, I've watched all his games and I think he plays poorly. especially his macro, It's just awful.

there's a reason you're the only one in the entire thread lobbying for a spot for him on the list.

On June 06 2013 08:54 Rollora wrote:

well...
Looking just at results, MVP must be nr1. Or Flash if we count in BW.
INovation played an amazing season and showed how to play terran. He wasn't just better than others he was miles ahead.
Soulkey also had an amazing season, but (to me... (personal opinion but trying to be as objective as I can)) his performance wasn't THAT outstanding as Innovations was. Looking at the scores they are close, looking at the games and rewatching the VODs lately INovations win looked far more impressive.
BUT that could be, that to me terran controling a game and wearing down an opponent, always looks more impressive then when other races do it (besides when Life plays), cause of the enormous amount of multitasking and because the army is so fragile, a simple error while multitasking costs the game.

On June 06 2013 03:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
I'm shocked at the top 2 rankings.

This is just ridiculous reasoning for the ranking: When it comes down to it, Soulkey may be the GSL champion, but Innovation was just the more impressive player in May. Think of it this way: you have to bet your life on either Soulkey or Innovation in a bo1 against an arbitrary player. Who would you choose?

You could make an argument for choosing Flash (or any number of players) over Soulkey with that reasoning (heck Flash beat Soulkey in the GSL this season). And it would be just as wrong.

But what happened here is that Soulkey got slapped in the face, after it was arbitrarily decided that his win wasn't good enough, that somehow he can be ranked #2 after becoming a GSL champion by defeating the man in the finals who you ranked #1 .

How is anyone supposed to achieve #1 if they can't do it by defeating the #1 player in a best of 7 series for the most prestigious title in E-Sports? And it isn't like this is one series, both players defeated high quality opponents round after round in order to reach the finals.

Simply put, the definition of the word better was ignored here when Innovation was picked over Soulkey (by definition of the word better, the better player always wins).

Outside of the GSL, Innovation gets used more in Proleague, but their win rates are similar, at 67% for Innovation and 66% for Soulkey.

Finally, this statement really irks me [i]"It seems quite harsh that all of this would be negated by the difference of just one game, Innovation was one game away from winning, but he was there three times! The bias is such a slap in the fact to Soulkey, who remained calm and tore apart Innovation.

The ability to finish is important. So is the ability to remain calm when behind. Soulkey showed it. It was absent in Innovation.

Until Innovation is as calm under pressure and can finish like Soulkey, Soulkey is the better player by definition, because he defeated Innovation in a competitive setting. That is how the English language works.

bet·ter 1 (btr)
adj. Comparative of good.
1. Greater in excellence or higher in quality.
2. More useful, suitable, or desirable: found a better way to go; a suit with a better fit than that one.
3. More highly skilled or adept: I am better at math than English.
4. Greater or larger: argued for the better part of an hour.
5. More advantageous or favorable; improved: a better chance of success.
6. Healthier or more fit than before: The patient is better today.

v.intr.
To become better.
Idioms:

To outdo or outwit; defeat.

On June 06 2013 03:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
I'm shocked at the top 2 rankings.

This is just ridiculous reasoning for the ranking: When it comes down to it, Soulkey may be the GSL champion, but Innovation was just the more impressive player in May. Think of it this way: you have to bet your life on either Soulkey or Innovation in a bo1 against an arbitrary player. Who would you choose?

You could make an argument for choosing Flash (or any number of players) over Soulkey with that reasoning (heck Flash beat Soulkey in the GSL this season). And it would be just as wrong.

But what happened here is that Soulkey got slapped in the face, after it was arbitrarily decided that his win wasn't good enough, that somehow he can be ranked #2 after becoming a GSL champion by defeating the man in the finals who you ranked #1 .

How is anyone supposed to achieve #1 if they can't do it by defeating the #1 player in a best of 7 series for the most prestigious title in E-Sports? And it isn't like this is one series, both players defeated high quality opponents round after round in order to reach the finals.

Simply put, the definition of the word better was ignored here when Innovation was picked over Soulkey (by definition of the word better, the better player always wins).

Outside of the GSL, Innovation gets used more in Proleague, but their win rates are similar, at 67% for Innovation and 66% for Soulkey.

Finally, this statement really irks me [i]"It seems quite harsh that all of this would be negated by the difference of just one game, Innovation was one game away from winning, but he was there three times! The bias is such a slap in the fact to Soulkey, who remained calm and tore apart Innovation.

The ability to finish is important. So is the ability to remain calm when behind. Soulkey showed it. It was absent in Innovation.

Until Innovation is as calm under pressure and can finish like Soulkey, Soulkey is the better player by definition, because he defeated Innovation in a competitive setting. That is how the English language works.

bet·ter 1 (btr)
adj. Comparative of good.
1. Greater in excellence or higher in quality.
2. More useful, suitable, or desirable: found a better way to go; a suit with a better fit than that one.
3. More highly skilled or adept: I am better at math than English.
4. Greater or larger: argued for the better part of an hour.
5. More advantageous or favorable; improved: a better chance of success.
6. Healthier or more fit than before: The patient is better today.

v.intr.
To become better.
Idioms:

To outdo or outwit; defeat.