EPTSC2 Power Rank - June 2013 - Page 26
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Ethoex
United States164 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Also surprised you guys didn't wait until the seasonal finals to write this, should be very telling. Hopefully when innovation wins that handily, people will understand | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 06 2013 01:42 1raxexpand wrote: Well mvp = code B is bs and you know it. Stephano qualified for code S the same season so we know a mvp is at least code S. Also Stephano did not do that bad in pl. Stephano got a seed in Code S | ||
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Hds
France200 Posts
On June 06 2013 01:27 Arghmyliver wrote: Oh look - it's like the top 8 GSL finishers minus KangHo and Bomber and plus Life, Rain and HerO? Two of which got knocked out in the group stage. At least HerO won his WCS region. This seems a little biased. Fuck I would have considered TLO for this list. Oh wait but he's not Korean? C'mon how did you even come up with this. It seems a lot of these people just got in on their IDs. Lfao, even TLO would not find himself in this powerank, you're not a fanboi at all as I can see | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:11 Hds wrote: Lfao, even TLO would not find himself in this powerank, you're not a fanboi at all as I can see I said "considered" - he did 2-0 the longtime "best foreigner." I think a lot of people who could have made the list (or at least honourable mention) missed out because they don't live in Korea. | ||
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DustbinBieber
France276 Posts
On June 05 2013 21:16 nimdil wrote: It is interesting. However it shows how wrong elephant theory was. Also aren't you ashamed of your nickname?  :D I'm not. Getting hard to notice that it's a very far-fetched modification of Dustin Browder, I love mocking this guy. ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM YO | ||
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Jealous
10096 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:14 Arghmyliver wrote: I said "considered" - he did 2-0 the longtime "best foreigner." I think a lot of people who could have made the list (or at least honourable mention) missed out because they don't live in Korea. That's because all the best players are Korean. It's not a coincidence. There are no foreigners right now who are even close to competing with the people on this list. Sorry to destroy the dreams of foreign-biased fans, but it's about time that such race-driven devotion is replaced by skill-driven appreciation. Foreigners really haven't been relevant in top competition for a long time. Just look at EG-TL's results, even with the Korean players on their team. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:18 Jealous wrote: That's because all the best players are Korean. It's not a coincidence. There are no foreigners right now who are even close to competing with the people on this list. Sorry to destroy the dreams of foreign-biased fans, but it's about time that such race-driven devotion is replaced by skill-driven appreciation. Foreigners really haven't been relevant in top competition for a long time. Just look at EG-TL's results, even with the Korean players on their team. Are there any non-Korean EG-TL players in Korea right now? I'm sorry - but if you say "Korean's are the best" and Koreans only compete against themselves how does the paradigm ever shift? It's a vicious cycle. You are just dicounting the achievements of those who - for whatever reason - don't have the means to displace their entire lives to Korea indefinitely. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 06 2013 01:31 fluidin wrote: .... TLO does not rank close in power to any nominees/nominated mentioned in the article. I think a lot of people underestimate how important Proleague is for evaluating power rankings. Just look at the Kespa MLG qualifier results and behold the depth of competition in PL. That aside, I do agree with most of the article, although it's a personal opinion of mine that Life should be higher than Symbol/RoRo still. Once again, the problem with evaluating Proleague so high in the power rankings is that half of the players don't participate in it. I know there is nothing to do about it (yet) but i can't help but feel it completely unfair to the ESF players. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:15 DustbinBieber wrote: :D I'm not. Getting hard to notice that it's a very far-fetched modification of Dustin Browder, I love mocking this guy. ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM YO Please don't talk about that horrendous article. That piece of writing simply destroyed what should be a ton of "fresh progamers" joining sc2 and turned it into 1sided cockfight without end. (hint, there are no real "ESF fans") | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
Also, about Innovation and Soulkey, for me, both players deserve first place, and could probably share it, so in the end, it really doesn't matter who is first or who is second for me. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
All in all a good power ranking. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:02 ffadicted wrote: Thank you for not chickening out and putting a lesser player than innovation at #1 just because he won the GSL. It's no question to anyone that ACTUALLY follows sc2 and majority of proleague and tourneys (instead of just tunning in for GSL semis/finals) that innovation is the better player. Also surprised you guys didn't wait until the seasonal finals to write this, should be very telling. Hopefully when innovation wins that handily, people will understand Well,he hasn't won anything yet,and you can't be #1 if you are not a champion.He has to win something soon,ideally the season finals. | ||
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Storm-Giant
Spain416 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
This is just ridiculous reasoning for the ranking: When it comes down to it, Soulkey may be the GSL champion, but Innovation was just the more impressive player in May. Think of it this way: you have to bet your life on either Soulkey or Innovation in a bo1 against an arbitrary player. Who would you choose? You could make an argument for choosing Flash (or any number of players) over Soulkey with that reasoning (heck Flash beat Soulkey in the GSL this season). And it would be just as wrong. But what happened here is that Soulkey got slapped in the face, after it was arbitrarily decided that his win wasn't good enough, that somehow he can be ranked #2 after becoming a GSL champion by defeating the man in the finals who you ranked #1 . How is anyone supposed to achieve #1 if they can't do it by defeating the #1 player in a best of 7 series for the most prestigious title in E-Sports? And it isn't like this is one series, both players defeated high quality opponents round after round in order to reach the finals. Simply put, the definition of the word better was ignored here when Innovation was picked over Soulkey (by definition of the word better, the better player always wins). Outside of the GSL, Innovation gets used more in Proleague, but their win rates are similar, at 67% for Innovation and 66% for Soulkey. Finally, this statement really irks me [i]"It seems quite harsh that all of this would be negated by the difference of just one game, Innovation was one game away from winning, but he was there three times! The bias is such a slap in the fact to Soulkey, who remained calm and tore apart Innovation. The ability to finish is important. So is the ability to remain calm when behind. Soulkey showed it. It was absent in Innovation. Until Innovation is as calm under pressure and can finish like Soulkey, Soulkey is the better player by definition, because he defeated Innovation in a competitive setting. That is how the English language works. bet·ter 1 (btr) adj. Comparative of good. 1. Greater in excellence or higher in quality. 2. More useful, suitable, or desirable: found a better way to go; a suit with a better fit than that one. 3. More highly skilled or adept: I am better at math than English. 4. Greater or larger: argued for the better part of an hour. 5. More advantageous or favorable; improved: a better chance of success. 6. Healthier or more fit than before: The patient is better today. v.intr. To become better. Idioms: To outdo or outwit; defeat. | ||
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1raxexpand
United States165 Posts
that was the season before. He qualified the next season through the U&D. No foreigner would have the time & and interest to fight from code B just to prove that they are code S level, nor should they. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
Besides, I dont have much of a problem with HerO's placement. Not counting that NA thingy, he looks decent in PL lately, beating RorO and other dudes. If any, JangBi shoulda taken that spot as he has been rapidly improving and winning (xcept that terrible allin against Flash). LosirA played some close series cuz his opponents did a terrible job and, just like 99% of esf players,, he didnt play much starcraft. Life is still an outlier, I know that & you know that | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:28 Assirra wrote: Once again, the problem with evaluating Proleague so high in the power rankings is that half of the players don't participate in it. I know there is nothing to do about it (yet) but i can't help but feel it completely unfair to the ESF players. If you read closely, GSTL is actually mentioned in both esF players' entries. Unfortunately, neither player here did well in GSTL at all. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On June 05 2013 10:36 Luepert wrote: Life is on the list and MVP is not? Ummmm yes? Life has clearly shown more skill than MVP anytime recently. | ||
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